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June 13, 2010 at 7:03 am #9861AnonymousInactive
Ok…back to what LARobert was saying…who is this Jack Chick? why is this Jack Chick character so popular? I mean, what makes his art so interesting?June 13, 2010 at 7:43 am #9864AnonymousInactive
Have you ever seen the little comic religious tracts that some Protestant groups pass out in an effort to “Save” people? Many are published by Chick Publications, and several attack the Catholic Church. Among the things Catholics are guilty of according to Chick tracts are Wax Candles, The Nazi Reich, (Catholic priests and nuns were executed in the Death Camps according to Chick, in order to cover up the fact that the Catholic Church created the Nazi Party.) Chick promotes the “History” that Abe Linclon was assasanated by orders from the Jesuits, although he used to publish a tract that Linclon was a secret Catholic and was going to turn the Government of the Church over to the Pope. He has also published a comic which tells the secret history of Islam and another about the Jehovah’s Wittnesses. It seems both groups were founded by the Catholic Church too. Islam (according to Chick) was founded by the Jesuits who convinced Mohammed of what he was to tell people. Strange thing is that Islam was started in the 610 AD and Ignatus Loyola did not found the Jesuits until 1534 AD.
Here is a story by Jimmy Akin, a lay Catholic apologist about his meeting with Jack.
[url:1rvenlvg]http://members.cox.net/jimmyakin/x-meet-jack-chick.htm[/url:1rvenlvg]June 16, 2010 at 6:53 am #9868AnonymousInactive
Wasn’t the Jesuits’ group made in response to the reformation in europe? ANd i don’t think I really understand the story of that man with his meeting with Chick….is chick really a nice guy who just happens to tell crap about others or just a paranoid man in general?June 16, 2010 at 11:36 pm #9872"Papa.Cod":3a9vzxng wrote:is chick really a nice guy who just happens to tell crap about others or just a paranoid man in general?[/quote:3a9vzxng]
I vote that he is a paranoid guy.June 17, 2010 at 12:48 am #9873AnonymousInactive
lol is chick still alive today?(sorry i know nothing about him)June 17, 2010 at 2:53 am #9875AnonymousInactive
Jack Chick lives in a compound east of Los Angeles, surrounded by fenses and barbed wire.June 17, 2010 at 3:37 am #9876AnonymousInactive
big LOL to thatJune 17, 2010 at 6:26 am #9877AnonymousInactive
I too was reading the article that LARobert posted. I went to Jack Chick’s website to read his tracts. I’m very appalled about how little he knows about the theological world around him Has anyone else read his tracts? What do you guys think?June 17, 2010 at 7:11 am #9880AnonymousInactive
is this guy really jack chick???
http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_f … kchick.jpgJune 17, 2010 at 11:16 am #9882"passionately_catholic":lszd74xu wrote:is this guy really jack chick???
http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_f … kchick.jpg[/quote:lszd74xu]
Now, now, let’s be charitable. ” title=”Wink” />June 17, 2010 at 2:20 pm #9884AnonymousInactive
Well JImmy has an article about the one time he met him, it was a screening of an Atni-Catholic film Chick sponsored. He has a drawing of what he looked like, there are only two or three photos of him in circulation. He (Chick) says it’s so the Jesuits won’t know what he looks like and murder him.June 17, 2010 at 2:48 pm #9886AnonymousInactive
lol! chick is in big big trouble now! i bet it’ll only take hours before the Jesuits find him!June 19, 2010 at 5:08 am #9889AnonymousInactive
Ok. THis sounds pretty dumb, but who founded the Jesuits and why?June 19, 2010 at 2:42 pm #9903AnonymousInactive
The Society of Jesus is a religious scity founded by Saint Ignatius Loyola. Designated by him “The Company of Jesus” to indicate its true leader and its soldier spirit, the title was Latinized into “Societas Jesu” or Society of Jesus.
Ignatius was a soldier who was wounded in battle. It took a several years, and rebrakes to set it correctly, finally an amputation for his leg to heal, during this convalesant period the boredom of being bed-ridden for a long time led him to ask for books to read. The good lady in charge was pious and she refused to give him the chivalric romances he requested. Instead, she gave him two books that were destined to change his life. The first was the Gospels. Ignatius picked them up, sensed his unworthiness, and read no further. He then picked up the second book, The Golden Legend, by a bishop of the Middle Ages, Jacques de Voragine. In this book he read of the exploits of the saints of God. He read of the conversion of great sinners who became great champions of the Faith, and who with the sword of the spirit fought against heresy and all forms of spiritual evil.
While his intital intent was, the conversion of Mohammedans, an idea which, a few decades after the final triumph of the Christians over the Moors in Spain, must have strongly appealed to the chivalrous Spaniards. Protestantim had not yet spread far, when the Jeusits were founded, and while most are under the misnomer that the Jesuits were founded to stamp out Protestantism, such efforts came later. The early Jesuits were sent by Ignatius first to Muslim and Pagan lands or to Catholic countries; to Protestant countries only at the special request of the pope and to Germany, the cradle-land of the Reformation, at the urgent solicitation of the Imperial Ambassador.
Ignatius started life carring a sword, and learning the art of war. After his conversion, prayer, and a solid theological education became his armor and sword. The Jesuits focused on missionary efforts, and debating Protestants in protestant lands.
The first days of the Society were in 1540 with a small band of men. Over time Ignatius developed a 21 day retreat that is still used today, you can find it in print and used today. An Ignatian Retreat consists of a series of spiritual conferences, structured meditations and an opportunity to make a general confession. Silence is kept throughout the retreat, though the retreatants have the opportunity to speak with a priest for spiritual advice. It is styled like a spiritual “Boot Camp” as Ignatius in some ways developed it based on his military traning.
Since this comes from the Chick thread it is interesting to note that Ingatus was born in the 1490’s, Islam was founded in the 690’s but that does not stop Chick from telling his readers that Islam and half a dozen other movements were founded by the Jesuits to attack Protestants.June 19, 2010 at 5:33 pm #9909AnonymousInactive"LARobert":3lu2l85v wrote:The early Jesuits were sent by Ignatius first to Muslim and Pagan lands or to Catholic countries; to Protestant countries only at the special request of the pope and to Germany, the cradle-land of the Reformation, at the urgent solicitation of the Imperial Ambassador.[/quote:3lu2l85v]
So essentially they were sent to stamp out protestantism?June 19, 2010 at 6:05 pm #9911"LARobert":q43kx27x wrote:Since this comes from the Chick thread it is interesting to note that Ingatus was born in the 1490’s, Islam was founded in the 690’s but that does not stop Chick from telling his readers that Islam and half a dozen other movements were founded by the Jesuits to attack Protestants.[/quote:q43kx27x]
Or that Protestantism didn’t exist until the 16th century.June 19, 2010 at 6:09 pm #9912AnonymousInactive
The 15th century would actually be the 1400’s. James told me the reformation and protestantism started in the 16th century or the 1500’s. ANd what I ment was were the jesuits sent to stamp out protestantism when protestantism threatened the Catholic churhc?June 19, 2010 at 7:09 pm #9914AnonymousInactive
Chick and others like him charge that the Jesuits were founded to stamp out Protestantism. The initial focus of the Jesuits was as a missionary order, and to stop the Muslim invasion and influence. Later the Holy Roman Emperor, (a German) invited the Jesuits to help stop the wars that had erupted between local princes who had accepted Luther’s new doctrinces, and those who maintained the old religion.
One was forced in those days to follow the religion of one’s prince. So the Princes who became Lutheran would persecute Catholics, and princes in Catholic areas, would fight against the spread of Lutheranism.
My statements were, and remain, [quote:1wf41zaq]Protestantim had not yet spread far, when the Jeusits were founded, and while most are under the [b:1wf41zaq]misnomer[/b:1wf41zaq] that the Jesuits were founded to stamp out Protestantism, such efforts came later.[/quote:1wf41zaq]
Misnomer meant an error. So it would be an error to think that the Jesuits were founded to stamp out Protestantism. Later however.
[quote:1wf41zaq]at the urgent solicitation of the Imperial Ambassador.[/quote:1wf41zaq]
The Imperial Ambassador went to the Pope, at the request of the Emperor, (a German) and requested help with someone who could debate the Protestants, it was then because of their learning that the Jesuits were invited to engage in public debate with the leaders of Lutheranism.June 20, 2010 at 6:03 am #9918AnonymousInactive
I believe that the emperor of the Holy Roman Empire at this time was Charles V, an advocate of Catholicism and leader of modern day Germany, Spain, and I believe France. Most books in the Book of Concord (or all of them, for that matter) were written to say were Lutherans stand. The one person that they address in the preface of the book was Charles V.June 21, 2010 at 2:00 am #9922AnonymousInactive
hey, the jesuits were associated with the counter reformation weren’t they?
what exactly did they do to counter the reformation, other than engage in debates???
and why on earth are they the only religious society that anti-catholics hate the most? lol
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