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March 20, 2007 at 2:40 am #1605AnonymousInactive
Here is another example of how the Protestant mind works, a debate between Patrick Madrid and a Protestant Minister. Patrick Madrid as some here may know made our pal Ron look like a lover of all things Catholic in the days when he was an Anti-Catholic preacher. what distinguished him is that he studied history, in an attempt to disprove the Catholic Faith.
Madrid studied the Catholic faith with and intensty that many anti-catholics seem to lack, rather than poking around and taking other anti-catholic writers at their word, and he spent time in prayer asking God to enlighten his soul as to the truth. Rather than give a superficial statement of Catholic Theology, Madrid studied the entire rationale, not stopping to condemn the graces that come from the sacraments as a Catholic invention that takes away from Christ, he learned that the Sacraments where insitiuted by Christ as a means of providing Grace. That Christ Himself instituted them and that the Church East and West had always taught that there where seven and they derived their grace from Christ and His Sacrifice on the Cross. That the Sacraments where the way that (as the Church had taught from the beginning) Christ means to apply those graces to us and help us to grow spiritually.
Now a Catholic, and a well known apologist for the Faith, (and who better to defend authentic Chrisitanity against protestant errors than one who knows protestanism from the inside out.)
Here is an outline of the debate…
When you are done with the article, check out these fine books on sharing the Historical Jesus, and His Church with your Protestant friends.
[url:26zpt6hs]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/4.6/resources.htm[/url:26zpt6hs]March 26, 2007 at 11:46 pm #7942AnonymousInactive
who better to defend authentic Chrisitanity against protestant errors than one who knows protestanism from the inside out[/quote:3a373skq]
it is a very good question and I know the answer –
A former Catholic that now is a Christian as in-
Berean Beacon Ministries proclaims the Good News of Salvation, The Gospel of Jesus Christ. The President and founder is Richard Bennett, a former Roman Catholic Priest.
As Director of Proclaiming the Gospel Ministry, Mike Gendron works through local churches equipping the saints to effectively and faithfully communicate the Gospel of grace. He has taught the students and faculty at The Master’s Seminary, Dallas Theological Seminary, Moody Bible and Tyndale Theological Seminary. Mike is the author of Preparing Catholics for Eternity and Roman Catholicism: Scripture vs. Tradition, along with other resources that make the Gospel clear to those who are trapped in religious deception.
There are two to start with….many more to goMarch 27, 2007 at 7:09 am #7946AnonymousInactive
Berean Beacon froze my computer.
I read the Hard Questions to Ask Good Catholics article on Pro-Gospel. Ignoring the flaws in reasoning and facts, the article is incredibly propagandist.
For example, take the form of several questions: “Did you know [insert Protestant belief here]?” The question is deliberately phrased to elicit a yes or no response that automatically affirms what the speaker says. The recipient is left with no choice but to express implicit agreement or explicit ignorance. Interestingly enough, the same tactic is taught to JWs in initiating dialogue. “Did you know the Bible teaches Jesus is not God?” If you say yes, you admit to heresy. If you say no, you admit to ignorance while still affirming heresy.March 27, 2007 at 7:10 am #7947AnonymousInactive
Oh, and regarding Richard Bennett, while I cannot get to the Berean site I can say that what I have read from him in the past showed as much ignorance and distortion of Catholic belief as you show, Ron.March 27, 2007 at 11:46 am #7948AnonymousInactive
it’s easy to say generalities or speak in this type of manner too such as:
Oh, and regarding Richard Bennett, while I cannot get to the Berean site I can say that what I have read from him in the past showed as much ignorance and distortion of Catholic belief as you show, Ron.[/quote:5gpbt80i]
but what about being a little more specific in just where you think either one of us has distorted anything?March 27, 2007 at 6:09 pm #7950AnonymousInactive
I have been very specific with your misconceptions on this site throughout your time here, Ron. And if Berean did not freeze my computer when I try to access the site I could be more specific there as well.
How about a comment on the actual point I made in my first post?March 27, 2007 at 7:55 pm #7953AnonymousInactive
Benedict as far as my comment about your view concerning Pro-gospel.org
I don’t think you are reading anything there with an unbiased opinion, as I think he is super and should be taken seriously as he has much to say about Roman Catholicism. I’ve met Mike and I see nothing out of line with Scriptures as He does give a good reason behind everything he posts – and very Biblical too.March 28, 2007 at 1:29 am #7958AnonymousInactive
[quote:by0p7nw1]I don’t think you are reading anything there with an unbiased opinion[/quote:by0p7nw1]Nope. I freely admit that I am biased towards Catholicism.
[quote:by0p7nw1]I think he is super and should be taken seriously as he has much to say about Roman Catholicism[/quote:by0p7nw1]How much he has to say is irrelevant. What he has to say and how he says it is of concern to me. I have only read that one article to date. I took exception with the how as detailed above. If you really care, I can tell you where he went wrong in the what as well.
[quote:by0p7nw1]I’ve met Mike and I see nothing out of line with Scriptures as He does give a good reason behind everything he posts – and very Biblical too[/quote:by0p7nw1]So because he tells you what you already believe and agree with he is Scriptural, biblical, and possessed of good reason. How many factual and logical errors would I have to point out in the Hard Questions article in order for you to believe otherwise?
You think that I am biased in my reading. I am. And I can guarantee you are equally yet oppositely biased in yours.March 28, 2007 at 1:49 am #7960AnonymousInactive
Okay you say this
[quote:3la42ws7] How many factual and logical errors would I have to point out in the Hard Questions article in order for you to believe otherwise? [/quote:3la42ws7]
Now show me every one….. as I don’t believe you can!
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