April 27, 2005 at 8:00 pm #1040
I’ve notice that in other denominations when they do the holy communion, all the people who are participating are given the eucharist(or cracker in some churches) and some grape juice or wine. And so they are all taking in the body and blood of Christ.
However, in all Catholic churches I’ve attended mass in, it’s only parish members who are given both the Eucharis and Wine. :” title=”Question” /> Why aren’t the rest of the people who attend the holy mass given the wine/grape juice, and instead only the body of Christ(Eucharist)? :” title=”Question” />
Personally I love drinking the grape juice along with the Eucharist, it gives me a sense of “fullness” and “cleansing”. I would like it if I could have both of them. ” title=”Very Happy” />April 27, 2005 at 8:26 pm #4362
Someone beat you to the puch already Rick. Refer to the link.
By the way, the Eucharist is actually EITHER the wine OR the wafer. Either one will suffice for you to receive our Lord Christ.
~VictorApril 27, 2005 at 8:28 pm #4363
Also, protestants do not believe in the Eucharist Rick. They don’t see it in the same way at all. To them it’s just a cracker and grape juice. That’s it.
~VictorApril 27, 2005 at 8:33 pm #4364
Yeah that’s why I put in cracker and grape juice. It seemed very awkward when I saw that.April 27, 2005 at 8:45 pm #4365
[quote:1p2dmv6a]By the way, the Eucharist is actually EITHER the wine OR the wafer. Either one will suffice for you to receive our Lord Christ. [/quote:1p2dmv6a]
What if someone wants to take both? Do they have to be a member of the volunteers during the mass?May 6, 2005 at 8:58 pm #4407
At the mass we attend, most people take both. The volunteers are standing in a position where it forces you to pass by the bread, then the wine to get back to your seat…but it’s your choice if you want to take one or both.May 9, 2005 at 7:28 am #4422
Correction, people [b:1bxy8pxv]receive[/b:1bxy8pxv] the Eucharist, not take it. ” title=”Wink” />May 9, 2005 at 8:36 am #4426
[quote:1m9xgnie]Also, protestants do not believe in the Eucharist Rick. They don’t see it in the same way at all. To them it’s just a cracker and grape juice. That’s it.
Well, I dont like to bash, I like to keep an open mind… so… Where did you hear that? I am a protestant and I thourougly (spelling? Im tired ” title=”Razz” />) that when I participate in Communion that the actions I am taking are symbolising the body of Christ. The actions that night at the table, and His death on the cross. I take it very seriously. Im sure there are a few people groups in both faiths that see it as just a cracker and juice, but for the most part, I know where I go to Church it is taken very seriously.
SiberianMay 9, 2005 at 2:21 pm #4431
[quote:d2uidtd3]…when I participate in Communion that the actions I am taking are symbolising the body of Christ.[/quote:d2uidtd3]
See, that’s the difference though. We believe that the bread and wine are transformed into the literal body and blood of Christ. It is not just a mere symbol. That’s what he meant when he said “Protestants do not believe in the Eucharist.”May 9, 2005 at 3:05 pm #4434
Siberian, Jon took the words right out of my mouth. By they way, there is that possibility that some protestants may see it as the literal Body and Blood of Christ. I’ve just never heard of any. My statement was just a general statement. It would be merely impossible for me to know the details of every single denomination out there (too many of you). But your statement of it being just a symbol seems to support my findings. ” title=”Smile” />
~VictorMay 9, 2005 at 3:10 pm #4436
So you believe that while participating in the Eucharist the bread actually becomes flesh? And the wine actually becomes blood? Hmmm…. Jesus didnt do that at the last supper. They ate bread and wine. He merely used them as a demonstration that His body was about to be broken and His blood about to be spilled for the sins and remissions of many. I could be off in my thinking but… Blood and Flesh?May 9, 2005 at 4:35 pm #4438
[quote:17gkskyz]Hmmm…. Jesus didnt do that at the last supper.[/quote:17gkskyz]
Sure he did. Read those Scriptures again. Jesus says “this [b:17gkskyz]is[/b:17gkskyz] my body” and “this [b:17gkskyz]is[/b:17gkskyz] my blood” not “this represents my body” and “this represents my blood.”
Also, read John 6 and in particular verses 51 and beyond. Then post your thoughts. ” title=”Smile” />May 9, 2005 at 6:06 pm #4443
You have officialy changed my view on this ” title=”Very Happy” />” title=”Smile” /> and thank you.
SiberianMay 9, 2005 at 6:45 pm #4444
[quote:8d1g36og]You have officialy changed my view on this ” title=”Very Happy” />” title=”Smile” /> and thank you.[/quote:8d1g36og]
Wow, that was quick, lol. I was hoping for more discussion. ” title=”Razz” />May 10, 2005 at 12:30 am #4454
WHOA!! Quickest end to an argument I have ever seen. Somehow I thought practical Apologetics would be a little more difficult… lol
I wonder though, if Siberian realizes that what Protestants do is NOT what Jesus did, since Protestants do not have the Priesthood. Not trying to be divisive, though.
I’m glad your opinion changed on the subject.May 10, 2005 at 2:49 am #4459
Hmm, what do you mean by they dont have priesthood therefore they do not do the same thing. Do you have to have a priesthood to be able to lead a communion then?
SiberianMay 10, 2005 at 1:51 pm #4466
For it to be the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, yes. Jesus instituted His church, to, among other things, have Bishops and Priests capable of consecrating the bread and wine, which then becomes His Body and Blood.
Protestant ministers are not Priests–or even Catholic–and as such cannot do this. Even if they COULD, though, they wouldn’t because they don’t BELIEVE that the bread and wine can possibly change into the Body and Blood. If they did, they would be Catholic! lolMay 10, 2005 at 2:48 pm #4476
[quote:3uxm8cxe]Even if they COULD, though, they wouldn’t because they don’t BELIEVE that the bread and wine can possibly change into the Body and Blood. If they did, they would be Catholic! lol[/quote:3uxm8cxe]
Or Orthodox or Episcopalian.
Although the Episcopalian belief is that Jesus is there if you believe him to be and not if you don’t believe. I’m not sure if they believe transubstantiation (like us) or consubstantiation (like Lutherans).May 10, 2005 at 3:18 pm #4480
Well, I was trying to simplify things when I said Catholic. But yes, Orthodox Churches do have the priesthood, and actually CAN consecrate the Host.
Episcopalians believe in consubstantiation as far as I know.
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