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February 20, 2004 at 3:33 pm #674
I was watching a show yesterday on TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network) and it was some preacher who was so fired he he was like yelling at the congregation (he’s actually kind of scary )
Anyway, he said something that alarmed me. He said, “isn’t it great to know that you don’t have to hold up your end of the covenant because Jesus’ blood does it for you?” Well, the wording isn’t exact, but the middle of it is. He was implying that Christ did it all for us and we don’t really have to do anything to be in this covenant with God. ” title=”Confused” />
Does anyone else think this is absurd? Catholic teaching is not like this at all. We believe that we have to make good on our promise to be in that covenant. According to this preacher, God does all the work and we just sit as an instrument of his bidding. Whatever happened to free will?
Perhaps some clarification on this belief would help.February 21, 2004 at 3:10 pm #2474AnonymousInactive
I did not view or hear the preacher you are talking about, so this response may be too simplistic.
Is it not possible that he is referring to the fact that we don’t actually have to die and shed our own blood to get into heaven?? Kind of reminds me of the words in Hebrews 12—-where it says the same thing—-we are not persecuted to the point of being crucified. How does yet another passage go……by his stripes, ( strifes…..I forget) we are healed?
I would never ever leave the Church…..but the protestant I was as a young child still on occassion misses a good ole knock your socks off sermon. One of my favorite pieces of scripture is in Matthew—-let your light shine before all so that they may see the good that you do and give glory to the Father in heaven…….you see I want to take that light of mine and use it to set fire underneath the pews in church and get some of us believers off of our butts…..is there such a thing as a Baptist/Catholic?
(sorry just attempting humor this morning) also my apologies for my spelling and grammar are very fuzzy this morning.
Back to the point Jon—-I don’t think when others say they are ‘saved’ that it implies no further work on their behalf.February 21, 2004 at 3:13 pm #2475AnonymousInactive
I am glad I reread my latest post…..what I meant to say in the end was that I don’t think that using the word ‘saved’ ALWAYS refers to no further work towards salvation on our behalf.February 21, 2004 at 4:19 pm #2476
Well, ok. Perhaps I was making a few assumptions and reading past what he was saying. When I heard the man I combined with what he saying the notion of faith alone ([i:39nrpp1z]sola fide[/i:39nrpp1z]) which basically says that you don’t have to do anything but believe in Jesus and you will be saved. And it goes further to reject the notion of doing “good works” (see my article on good works[/url:39nrpp1z]) because of their misconception of what the Bible actually says about good works.
But it doesn’t stop there. It’s that nothing can take that salvation away once you have “asked Jesus into your heart as Lord and Savior” – not even murder, lying, adultery…[b:39nrpp1z]nothing[/b:39nrpp1z]. It doesn’t matter what sin you do after you are “saved”, Jesus’ sacrifice on Calvary takes care of it. There is no penance you have to pay. Now to me this is ridiculous!
So, combining all these things I already know about the preacher’s theology, when I hear the words that we have to do nothing to be in this covenant I think what I thought in the first post. That is where I am coming from. ” title=”Smile” />
However, Pam, I think you do bring up a good point. I wish I had a chance to re-watch that tv show, but I guess I won’t know for sure. Maybe if I watch more of his shows I will be able to gather from it what he really meant.February 24, 2004 at 5:26 am #2504AnonymousInactive
Jon, this has been an interesting set of posts. My husband finally found some time to discuss this one.
I think I understand the notions of sola fide and also sola scriptura (sp?). But sometimes I wonder if non-catholics are any better at truly understanding their faith than a good majority of catholics are
That is to say if non-catholics actually knew or understood what their religion professes they would look to the Church for more answers. Likewise if more Catholics actually understood or tried to understand their faith they too would spend more time within the Catholic Church.
This is why I think apologetics is so important. ( to bring Catholics as well as non-Catholics to more faith).
I hope this makes sense—because it affirms what you are saying.February 25, 2004 at 3:53 am #2511
Hmmm…I’m not quite sure it addresses the topic at hand. Perhaps you could explain a little bit more. ” title=”Confused” />
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