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  • #1075

    How should I word this so I’m not misunderstood? Oh well, I’ll just say it the only way I know how and go from there……..

    I was listening to radio talk show host, Mike Savage, the other night. One thing that he said that caught my interest was when he said that one reason Islam hates us is because they do not want our corrupted culture over there. I too would like to think of American society as “moral and good” as much as the next guy, but you have to admit, just look at what is on our televisions now. If television is a reflection of our society, and I feel it is, then would you want that trash culture imported into your society? I mean from the soft (and not so soft) porno to the gay guy show, its a sewer out there. We seem to be use to it, but how do outside Islamic people view it? Could you see how they could shocked by it? It is not so simple as telling them to change the channel or turn the T.V. off, as we are told. They see it as our culture out of control and trying to send it there way. And are they wrong? Yes, we have our EWTN and the such, but when you look at the big picture, they hardly seem to make a dent on television today.

    I’m not saying that 911 is justified because of our television programs and popular culture, but even moderate Muslums must be fearing that we are going to export our twisted culture along with our McDonalds. Could this be at least part of the problem between us?

    I’m really not as conservative as one might think, but have we gone to far with our television and popular culture?

    #4774

    No, Islam would be defending itself by trying to get RID of VIOLENCE, instead of advocating it.

    #4776

    [quote:4q5teo37]No, Islam would be defending itself by trying to get RID of VIOLENCE, instead of advocating it.[/quote:4q5teo37]

    I agree with that. But can you see my point? Do you think that Islam might fear our culture more than our politics or religion?

    #4778

    Andres Ortiz
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    Ardent, I agree with you, but I do not think it is just Muslims in general. It’s been shown that it is a very radical group of Muslims that advocate using violence to solve their problems.

    #4780

    [quote:1izssz6o]Ardent, I agree with you, but I do not think it is just Muslims in general. It’s been shown that it is a very radical group of Muslims that advocate using violence to solve their problems.[/quote:1izssz6o]

    Perhaps that “very radical group of Muslims” use our moral decline as ‘proof” that we must be stopped <img src=:” title=”Question” /> It is not just “American” culture that is the problem. I’m sure things are just as bad (if not worse) in Europe.

    I do not want to come off sounding like a prude or like I would want to live in an Islamic society, but we Catholics need to be part of the solution. I’m not really sure how we should go about making such changes. And I’m not all that sure about the “religious right” and its political policys. I feel such changes have to come from the hearts of the people, not politics. But that’s just my opinion. <img src=” title=”Smile” />

    #4781

    Andres Ortiz
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    #5750

    LEX
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    Well almost every faith has a group of extremenists
    islam is to islamic extremnist as christianity is to the k.k.k.

    i am christian but it is true although we hear more about muslim terrorists!

    #5761

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    Christian terrorists just work more covertly. <img src=” title=”Wink” />

    Fundamentalists of any religion are dangerous.

    #5809

    xzenon
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    moslem terrorist gets hate support from the koran. here is som verses taken from the koran.

    [quote:2o8g8njm]2: The Cow AL-BAQARA

    Don’t take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51

    Jews and Christians are losers. 5:53

    Don’t choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 5:57

    Fight against Christians and Jews who disbelieve in Allah. 9:29

    Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. 2:191

    Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89

    If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91 [/quote:2o8g8njm]

    if you dont belive me you could Search for them in the koran.
    and there ar many many more verses like them in islams holy bok.

    #5812

    Shocking. :shock: Yet I have read others that expressed love and peace for all.
    <img src=:” title=”Question” />

    #5813

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    I looked these up. For the most part they are correct in what they say. Some are summaries or paraphrased, but for the most part that is what the Qu’ran says.

    Now, to avoid being like fundamentalist Christians who isolate passages of the Bible to twist them to their own desires, I encourage people to read the surround text of these verses. You can read the Qu’ran online[/url:cqswjy6v].

    #5814

    xzenon
    Member

    and tell me how many times have terrorist used the koran as an clear ok from god to kill non-muslem???

    [quote:2jfz8rmu]
    Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

    Qur’an 9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

    Qur’an 8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

    Qur’an 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone

    Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet had their men killed, their children and woman taken captive.” [/quote:2jfz8rmu]

    her you vill find verses where the word terror comes up a couple of times

    [quote:2jfz8rmu]Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”

    Qur’an 8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”

    Qur’an 7:3 “Little do you remember My warning. How many towns have We destroyed as a raid by night? Our punishment took them suddenly while they slept for their afternoon rest. Our terror came to them; Our punishment overtook them.”

    Bukhari:V9B87N127 “The Prophet said, ‘I have been given the keys of eloquent speech and given victory with terror.'” [/quote:2jfz8rmu]

    how many jews and christians do you think suffred this faith in arabia and middle east during the muslem expansin.

    [quote:2jfz8rmu]Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.” [/quote:2jfz8rmu]

    the tax is called jizha this word means punishment and the people paying it is kalld dhimmi.

    and if you whant to read more of this word of peace that the koran and islam bring you can press this link http://fomi.nu/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1744

    #6184

    Te Deum
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    Well, let’s be clear about this. Jihad is a fundamental pillar of the muslim faith. Nowadays many muslims try to give the impression that Jihad is only defensive war but that’s just a plain lie as anyone into Islam knows. Jihad is how Islam ¬´defensively¬ª spreaded from Arabia to Syria, North Africa and the Iberian Peninsula. Islam doesn’t need to evangelize or proselythize because their centuries-old approved method of evangelization is Jihad – promoted, practiced and encouraged by its founder, Muhammad. Let the [i:21tlymh2]dhimmis[/i:21tlymh2] speak out on this! <img src=” title=”Wink” />

    But, as for our current western culture, they’re partially right and it’s our fault. The west is profoundly secularized and dechristianized and that’s becoming quite tragic, IMHO.

    Please take a glimpse at sites like this [url:21tlymh2]http://apostatesofislam.com/index.htm[/url:21tlymh2], and hear their stories about this ¬´religion of peace¬ª (or pieces! <img src=” title=”Very Happy” /> ). I’m a (surviving) muslim apostate myself.

    #6224

    Victor
    Member

    [quote:na6dr95j]Well, let’s be clear about this. Jihad is a fundamental pillar of the muslim faith. Nowadays many muslims try to give the impression that Jihad is only defensive war but that’s just a plain lie as anyone into Islam knows. Jihad is how Islam ¬´defensively¬ª spreaded from Arabia to Syria, North Africa and the Iberian Peninsula. Islam doesn’t need to evangelize or proselythize because their centuries-old approved method of evangelization is Jihad – promoted, practiced and encouraged by its founder, Muhammad. Let the [i:na6dr95j]dhimmis[/i:na6dr95j] speak out on this! <img src=” title=”Wink” />

    But, as for our current western culture, they’re partially right and it’s our fault. The west is profoundly secularized and dechristianized and that’s becoming quite tragic, IMHO.

    Please take a glimpse at sites like this [url:na6dr95j]http://apostatesofislam.com/index.htm[/url:na6dr95j], and hear their stories about this ¬´religion of peace¬ª (or pieces! <img src=” title=”Very Happy” /> ). I’m a (surviving) muslim apostate myself.[/quote:na6dr95j]

    [color=darkblue:na6dr95j]I have a new favorite link…. <img src=” title=”Very Happy” /> [/color:na6dr95j]

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