Is abortion the most important issue to you?

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  • #816

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    Well, what do you think? Is abortion the most important issue politically for you? As you vote and choose candidates do you weigh abortion with the candidate’s other policies/ideas and/or is abortion the most important one and why?

    This question is for all people, not just the Americans here.

    #2851

    Benedict
    Member

    Abortion is the most important issue to me because I generally notice good things in both conservative and liberal practices outside of morality (such as economic policy, social welfare, etc). No matter how good the candidate, however, I will not vote for a pro-choice candidate.

    #2855

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    But why does abortion have more weight than say the death penalty or kids living on the street?

    #2880

    Luke Fan
    Member

    I feel that I have a moral obligation NOT to vote for those candidates that are Pro-Choice. I look at other issues but this is the clincher! But there are other things that are going to be very important especially this election season and that includes protection of the family with the definition of “marriage”.

    #2881

    GailMac2
    Member

    I voted “no” simply because I look at the integrity of the person running and their ability to do the job, not just the issues they endorse or oppose. I do however, vote Pro-Life as a first indicator of the integrity of said candidates. By that I mean if a man (or woman for that matter) does not consider life in the womb worth defending, then I can see them finding other “reasons” to compromise life in its other states, whether that is in the elderly, the poor, the disabled, the middle classes, the students, etc…. and that means all areas of life as well, economic, educational, medical, etc…. If a person doesn’t honor God in his life, then why would I consider him for the highest office in this land? When the voting is between a Pro-Life candidtate and a Pro-Death candidate, I will vote for the Pro-Lifer no matter what other issues are on his plate at the time of the election. I refuse to be pidgeon-holed into believing that makes me a single-issue voter; I’m not and I really can’t stand those who would for the sake of the argument, place those words in my mouth.

    #2883

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    GailMac2 – that’s an interesting stance, but it still leaves you open to choose from a few candidates. I don’t think it makes you a single issue person and it seems like everyone here thinks it is highly important. (so do I).

    I think I take a similar stance as you.

    I liked what you said here:
    [quote:3q5g1uej]By that I mean if a man (or woman for that matter) does not consider life in the womb worth defending, then I can see them finding other “reasons” to compromise life in its other states[/quote:3q5g1uej]
    I totally agree with you on that. But, do you think the same could be said for candidates who support the death penalty? <img src=:” title=”Question” />

    #3090

    If a candidate isn’t pro-life, I’m not interested in hearing anything else he stands for

    #3113

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    Whether or not a candidate is pro-life can and might actually tell you where his or her values lie. What I mean is if a candidate is pro-choice to kill, will he or she demoralize life in other places?

    Similar to: If your baby sitter steals the one dollar bills off your counter, will he or she also steal the $400 jewelry in your dresser?

    Arrgh Politics :rolleyes:

    #3217

    jeratboy
    Member

    [quote:eba9y3ec]But why does abortion have more weight than say the death penalty or kids living on the street?[/quote:eba9y3ec]

    We have had about 920 executions since Gary Gilmore. An average size town has had more abortions so far this year. At least kids living on the street are still alive. Things can be done for them by people and organizations.

    #3230

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    To reply to jeratboy, I will use some of Berrycat’s stuff.

    [quote:2ewsii3u]Whether or not a candidate is pro-life can and might actually tell you where his or her values lie. What I mean is if a candidate is pro-choice to kill, will he or she demoralize life in other places?[/quote:2ewsii3u]

    But just because someone is against abortion does not make them pro-life. If they support the death penalty, remove programs to help the people who cannot live without those programs and kills hundreds of thousands of people (innocent not excluded) in a war on unfounded “evidence” then what kinds of values are those?

    And don’t let the ban on partial-birth abortion fool you. There were so few of those being done in the first place, it’s not as if it had a major impact on stopping abortion.

    There are so many more things to consider about a candidate than his or her stance on abortion that I think it is foolish to consider or not consider a candidate on that criterion alone. <img src=” title=”Neutral” />

    #3233

    Anonymous

    Jon- you raise some interesting points. I would think these would be points we all would consider and pray about. (sorry I still don’t know how to hilight from one post to the next)

    At times I wish we would have a moral obligation not to vote for either party based on the very same issues you discuss.

    I can discuss 2. The first—-I believe in all the social programs(well except for those against the church, abortion, same-sex marriage, stem cell(embryonic )research. that the democrats and Kerry speak about in their speeches. It is just that over the years I have not personally seen any of their programs work in social welfare matters. (specifically education and health, and welfare). Its my belief that creating laws and throwing even more money at a problem does not work all that great.

    Both parties have good plans, and both certainly have their flaws.

    Second, why vote based on one issue—abortion? (actually that has increased to the others mentioned above—marriage and ethical science research). I don’t think that I am the only non-democrat voter who has struggled with war and justice (death penalty). I was going to say I GUESS but I am changing that to [i:3e8w5k2q]I know[/i:3e8w5k2q] that candidates, who do not have the moral conviction that life starts in the womb,may not have conviction to place [i:3e8w5k2q]right vs. wrong[/i:3e8w5k2q] in other areas of their administration.

    Jon—I definitely see your points….and struggle with the same issues as a voter—-perhaps the posts here could continue as the election approaches.

    Back to another question—would we have the moral obligation NOT TO VOTE??? I was listening to Relevant Radio discuss this and I do not recall what resources they quoted.

    #3234

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    Pam, to highlight text that other users wrote use the “Quote” button. <img src=” title=”Smile” />

    [quote:1nlc6adj] [i:1nlc6adj]I know[/i:1nlc6adj] that candidates, who do not have the moral conviction that life starts in the womb,may not have conviction to place [i:1nlc6adj]right vs. wrong[/i:1nlc6adj] in other areas of their administration.[/quote:1nlc6adj]

    If you are speaking of John Kerry specifically he was just recently quoted that he believes life starts at conception. It was all over the news (I think).
    [b:1nlc6adj]Read about it here.[/url:1nlc6adj][/b:1nlc6adj]

    Now, on the flip side, to counter your statement, just because one [i:1nlc6adj]does profess to believe[/i:1nlc6adj] that life begins at conception [b:1nlc6adj]does not translate[/b:1nlc6adj] into to meaning that he or she has conviction to place right vs. wrong in other areas of his or her administration either. I fail to see how the belief or unbelief (or the profession thereof) of life beginning at conception is a powerful determinant in whether a candidate is well-qualified to hold a high ranking government position. It is nonsense to me.

    In order to judge a candidate’s worthiness we must look at his or her whole record and not just one thing. It’s absurd to do otherwise! [b:1nlc6adj]It’s not even Catholic[/url:1nlc6adj][/b:1nlc6adj]!

    [quote:1nlc6adj]Back to another question—would we have the moral obligation NOT TO VOTE???[/quote:1nlc6adj]
    I have heard mixed opinions on this one. Some priests say it is our moral obligation to vote and some say not to vote if there is no candidate that embraces all your values.

    #3235

    Anonymous
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    Okay did that work? guess not—time for remedial computer lessons.

    Thanks for the response and for the article on Kerry.

    This sort of posting is the kind of dialogue we need


    but it becomes difficult to discuss politics and faith-it gets frustrating. I will let someone else bite on the last replies. ( my last few posts have been written while feverish with the flu)

    I guess my gut reaction to the whole post question,”Is abortion the most important issue to you?” is “yes”

    #3236

    jeratboy
    Member

    “But just because someone is against abortion does not make them pro-life. If they support the death penalty, remove programs to help the people who cannot live without those programs and kills hundreds of thousands of people (innocent not excluded) in a war on unfounded “evidence” then what kinds of values are tho of those being done in the first place”

    I would like to know what programs are removed that people can’t live without.
    Every country thought there were WMD.
    I did not know that this was the Democratic Convention.

    “There are so many more things to consider about a candidate than his or her stance on abortion that I think it is foolish to consider or not consider a candidate on that criterion alone. <img src=” title=”Neutral” />[/quote]

    There is nothing else to consider unless both candidates have the same abortion views. The number of victims war, death penalty etc are no where near the number of abortions. All of American war dead from the Revolution until now is about 7 months of abortions. If you use worldwide numbers I think China alone would pass those.

    I won’t be back here. I thought this was a message board on Catholicism and not a place to rationalize being a Democrat.

    #3237

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    [quote:24qw79f7]I won’t be back here. I thought this was a message board on Catholicism and not a place to rationalize being a Democrat.[/quote:24qw79f7]

    I’m sorry to have upset you, jeratboy. :oops:

    My intent was [b:24qw79f7]not[/b:24qw79f7] to promote a certain political viewpoint, but rather have people take a broader look at candidates and issues.

    I might add that in no way to I advocate abortion or the choice to have one.

    #3238

    Benedict
    Member

    This is like that time with Starchild (I think that was her name).

    #3244

    [quote:1148bakn]

    I would like to know what programs are removed that people can’t live without.
    Every country thought there were WMD.
    I did not know that this was the Democratic Convention.

    “There are so many more things to consider about a candidate than his or her stance on abortion that I think it is foolish to consider or not consider a candidate on that criterion alone. <img src=” title=”Neutral” />

    There is nothing else to consider unless both candidates have the same abortion views. The number of victims war, death penalty etc are no where near the number of abortions. All of American war dead from the Revolution until now is about 7 months of abortions. If you use worldwide numbers I think China alone would pass those.

    I won’t be back here. I thought this was a message board on Catholicism and not a place to rationalize being a Democrat.[/quote:1148bakn]

    I am sorry jeratboy is leaving, I find myself agreeing with him about the democrats. Although I do not agree that this website promotes one party or the other.

    #3246

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    [quote:3gjyzstk]This is like that time with Starchild (I think that was her name).[/quote:3gjyzstk]

    Starlitbaby16 <img src=” title=”Wink” />

    Am I really that bad? <img src=” title=”Sad” />

    #3256

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    [quote:awaz2xk2] Afterward, several parishioners asked him about his position on abortion and his vote against a recent bill that would have banned the late-term procedure opponents call “partial birth” abortion, according to a reporter for the Telegraph Herald who sat behind Kerry’s pew. Kerry replied that he would have supported the ban if it had included an exception for the health of the mother. [/quote:awaz2xk2]

    How does that work? I don’t understand this.

    #3261

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    I’m assuming you got that from the article I linked to, but I take it to mean that John Kerry wanted the partial-birth abortion ban bill to have a clause that says those types of abortions are ok if the health of the mother is in danger.

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