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September 25, 2012 at 12:58 pm #2151
[b:30i6hbdr]Bishop Raffaello Martinelli of Frascati supports SSPX on other religions and opposes Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, Cardinal Kurt Koch and Archbishop Augustine Di Noia[/b:30i6hbdr]
[i:30i6hbdr]Pope John Paul II’s Notification on the Jesuit priest Jacques Dupuis is in accord with the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) position on other religions including Judaism. Ladaria, Koch and Di Noia have in public opposed the Notification with respect to Judaism.[/i:30i6hbdr]
The Italian diocesan Bishop Mons Raffaelo Martinelli who has worked at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican agrees with the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) position on other religions. He is saying that non Catholics religions are not paths to salvation and their members are objectively oriented into the Catholic Church. This is expressed in his pamphlets available in Rome and on the internet.
Pope John Paul II was in agreement with the SSPX position on other religions. Inter religious dialogue for him was part of Catholic Mission.
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican Notification during the pontificate of Pope John Paul II is in accord with the SSPX that other religions are not paths to salvation and their members are oriented to the Catholic Church
Mons. Raffaello Martinelli. the Bishop of Frascati, Italy in an apologetical pamphlet has said that non Catholic religions have deficiencies, errors and superstition (Dominus Iesus) and that non Catholics are objectively oriented towards the Catholic Church (CDF ,Notification on Fr. Jacques Dupuis S.J 2011).
The CDF, Notification says
[quote:30i6hbdr]7. According to Catholic doctrine, the followers of other religions are oriented to the Church and are all called to become part of her.
[b:30i6hbdr]IV. On the orientation of all human beings to the Church[/b:30i6hbdr]
6. It must be firmly believed that the Church is sign and instrument of salvation for all people. It is contrary to the Catholic faith to consider the different religions of the world as ways of salvation complementary to the Church.[/quote:30i6hbdr]
The Bishop of Frascati says ‘even those who do not actually belong to the visible Church, they are objectively oriented towards her’ then he adds that ‘they are part of that wider Church known only by God. ‘
The Notification on the Jesuit priest was in agreement with Dominus Iesus 20 which indicated that even though Jesus died for all, for salvation it was necessary that all enter the Church. The Church was necessary for salvation. This is the message of Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II that all need faith and baptism.
The Notification is also in harmony with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors.
It is accord with the St.Robert Bellarmine interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus since invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) are not exceptions to the dogma. We do not know any such case in the present times.
The baptism of desire is not an exception to the dogma. So contrary to the leftist media propaganda, whether Fr. Leonard Feeney supported or opposed to the baptism of desire, it is irrelevant to the literal interpretation of the dogma on exclusive salvation, being there in only the Catholic Church. Similarly those who have not had the Gospel preached to them through no fault of their own (invincible ignorance) are irrelevant to the literal interpretation of the dogma.This was the error of Cardinal Richard Cushing , the Archbishop of Boston.
The influence of the Richard Cushing error however can be seen in the Notification. Though basically the Notification is saying that non Catholic religions are not paths to salvation and their members need to objectively enter the Catholic Church to go to Heaven and avoid Hell (for salvation).
The style and contents of the leaflets however are confusing. There is no new Revelation but the bishop is using the new ‘doctrine’ of the visible dead. He assumes that we know the dead saved. Since he assumes that the dead saved in invincible ignorance etc are known to us Lumen Gentium 16, for him, could be an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in its traditional understanding.LG 16 would be a break from tradition and without the hermeneutic of continuity.
Having established the ‘new doctrine’, the ‘new fact’ of being able to see the dead on earth, conclusions are made which are not Catholic teachings.
1. Since we can see the dead saved, there is salvation outside the church for them. So the defined dogma on salvation it is concluded, became obsolete.
2. Since there is salvation outside the Church it means those who are not baptised can be saved. So there is salvation outside the Church for infants it is concluded.
3. Since there is salvation outside the church, mission must not depend on saving souls from Hell but in showing them the beautiful face of Jesus.
One can expect contradictions in the bishop’s apologetic material
If you ask two questions (1) they see their whole house of cards crumble. So they don’t answer.
The error has been passed on from Boston in the 1940’s. The wrong interpretation can also be made of Vatican Council II – and it is being made by the bishop.
So the bishop seems the support the liberals because of the Richard Cushing error but on the issue of other religions opposed the Vatican Curia.
It may be mentioned that Archbishop Augustine Di Noia, Vice President of Ecclesia Dei has been quoted in the leftist media saying that the SSPX has to accept that Jews do not have to convert in the present time. This was also the public position of Cardinal Kurt Koch, the President of the Vatican Council for Christian Unity. They are contradicting Pope John Paul’s Notification on Fr. Jacques Dupuis, Vatican Council II (AG 7), Dominus Iesus 20, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and the Bible especially the Gospel of St. John. They are also contradicting Bishop Raffaelo Martinelli.
Since Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, S.J the Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican assumes the dead saved in invincible ignorance and with implicit desire are known to us they are exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Since these cases of ghosts are exceptions to the dogma he assumes the Notification is flawed, every non Catholic does not have to be objectively oriented into the Catholic Church. So for him John Paul II made a mistake.
Since there is salvation outside the Church because of the dead visible to him on earth he has formulated a ‘theology of religions’ and an ‘ecclesiology of communion’ as president of the International Theological Commision.So Jews do not have to convert in the present times as the pope and his Curia state, since there is known salvation outside the Catholic Church in the present times. This is irrationality from adults.-Lionel Andrades
[b:30i6hbdr]It is the responsibility of the CDF to clarify doctrine and the Faith and so they should answer the two questions for all to know[/b:30i6hbdr]
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/ … html#links
[b:30i6hbdr]Vatican-SSPX reconciliation is possible just by announcing that the baptism of desire does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus [/b:30i6hbdr]
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/ … sible.html
[b:30i6hbdr]NUMBER OF PRIESTS NOT ANSWERING THE TWO QUESTIONS INCREASES [/b:30i6hbdr]
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/ … html#links
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