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July 5, 2007 at 11:43 pm #1716AnonymousInactive
My girlfriends brother has recently bought into the whole Seven Day Adventist belief in Saturday being the day of the Sabbat and not Sunday. I’ve read what you have on Sabbath Jon, and a few other books on it as well, but I can’t get it across to him that the Lord’s Resurrection was on Sunday, thus bringing about a new era, a new creation, no longer participating in the Old Jewish Sabbath, But the New. Also of course, we see Paul and Peter breaking bread on the Lords Day, as well as the Book of Revelation taking place on the Lord’s Day, but to no avail. His defense is based on the Book of Exodus, when God gave the 10 commandments to Moses, clearly stating that the Sabbath is on the 7th day of the week. And thats just it to him.
Well, I’m still trying to provide more history to him with a lot of writings from the early Church Fathers, but I recently came across a verse in the Gospel of Mark hoping that it may provide a little more understanding for him why Sunday is the appropriate day of the Sabbath.
Here it is. .
Mark 2: 23-28
23 As he was passing through a field of grain on the sabbath, his disciples began to make a path while picking the heads of grain. 24 At this the Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the sabbath?” 25 He said to them, “Have you never read what David did 15 when he was in need and he and his companions were hungry? 26
How he went into the house of God when Abiathar was high priest and ate the bread of offering that only the priests could lawfully eat, and shared it with his companions?” 27 Then he said to them, “The sabbath was made for man, 16 not man for the sabbath. 28 17 That is why the Son of Man is lord even of the sabbath.”
I would appreciate it if anyone could explain what these verses are teaching. I have an idea, but not to sure myself.
Thank You.July 6, 2007 at 1:50 am #8528AnonymousInactive
One of the problems with Protestantism is there is no single authority, everyone (seemingly) interprets the Scriptures as he feels he is moved by the Spirit. This ends up in a tangled mess of different doctrines. With the SDA movement which is founded more on the writings and “visions” of Ellen G White, you compound the problem.
It is clear in scripture that God revealed in Acts that the Law of Moses was abolished, the sheet came down from heaven with animals that had been unclean under the Law of Moses. “What God has made clean, let no man call unclean.” Our Lord Himself spoke of a New Covenant in His Blood, the Covenant with Moses and the Children of Israel was supplanted by the New Covenant. So too was the Covenant with Abraham supplanted by the Mosaic Covenant. The Apostles, where given authority to apply and interpret the New Covenant under the influence of the Holy Ghost.
The problem with SDA’s is they historically are not Trinitarian, in denying the divinity of Christ Jesus, He becomes just another, albeit the greatest of the Prophets. By relegating to Him humanity and denying His divinity, the Authority that Ellen G. speaks is just as valid and just as authoitative as what Jesus and the Apostles said. By sticking to the Protestant and very anti-catholic misrepresentation of history they can ignore the historical facts that prior to the timeframe that they say the Catholic Church was formed as a blending of Christianity and Paganism, the Church observed Sunday as the Lord’s day. It is funny that they will grant to Ellen a broader infallibility than the Catholic Church limits to the office of the Papacy.
I would ask your girlfriend’s brother if he believes that all men should be circumcised, and that an animal should be sacrificed after their birth? After all the Apostles and the first converts continued to attend the synagoge and Temple services at first, and prior to the Council of Jerusalem most required circumcision before baptism. Either the Church has the authority to change the day of worship, and other requirements for entrance into the Church, and for worship, (within limits) of it does not. As it was Jesus who gave the power to govern the Church to Peter, and not the Church who simply ratified what they wanted to receive from Christ, I’ll stick with what the Apostles said, and handed down (traditio) to the Church.July 16, 2007 at 5:00 am #8533AnonymousInactive
That was something that was decided on by the first Christians, and it is Biblical. They called it the “Lords Day”. Here are two verses showing that they had Mass (broke bread) on Sunday (first day of the week):
[color=darkred:1ilwbksa]And on the [u:1ilwbksa]first day of the week[/u:1ilwbksa], when we were assembled to break bread, Paul discoursed with them, being to depart on the morrow. [/color:1ilwbksa]Act 20:7
[color=darkred:1ilwbksa]Now concerning the collections that are made for the saints: as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, so do ye also.
On the [u:1ilwbksa]first day of the week[/u:1ilwbksa], let every one of you put apart with himself, laying up what it shall well please him: that when I come, the collections be not then to be made[/color:1ilwbksa].1Co 16:1-2
And here is a reference from the very early Church:
[color=green:1ilwbksa]If then those who had walked in ancient practices attained unto newness of hope, [u:1ilwbksa]no longer observing sabbaths [/u:1ilwbksa]but fashioning their lives after [u:1ilwbksa]the Lord’s day[/u:1ilwbksa],[/color:1ilwbksa]
Ignatius, To the Magnesians, 9:1 (A.D. 110)
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/t … tfoot.html
[color=green:1ilwbksa]But every [u:1ilwbksa]Lord’s day[/u:1ilwbksa] gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure.[/color:1ilwbksa]Didache, 14 (A.D. 90)
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/t … berts.html
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