If I’m not Catholic, am I going to hell?

Home Forums All Things Catholic If I’m not Catholic, am I going to hell?

Viewing 11 posts - 21 through 31 (of 31 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #7660
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    :idea: I often wonder what the people on this Earth would do if ONE person from heaven(beside Jesus) and ONE from Hell came back to Earth for a month and actually told the people what it is like in those places.

    #7661

    [quote:lwxnfse8]:idea: I often wonder what the people on this Earth would do if ONE person from heaven(beside Jesus) and ONE from Hell came back to Earth for a month and actually told the people what it is like in those places.[/quote:lwxnfse8]
    The person from hell and the person from heaven would say the exact same thing.

    #7681
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Don’t any of you guys read Scriptures? To bad, for even as a Catholic, (Or should I ask if that makes a difference?) you don’t know how anyone gets to Heaven, as your answers testify. You say baptism or some other sacrament and some say I think fr. whomever says this or that and no one ever mentions what the one true way to get to Heaven.

    [color=darkred:1s19x5ev](Hint – why did Jesus even die for us?)[/color:1s19x5ev]

    #7682
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Ron,nice to see your back in the fold.

    #7683
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    10″Two men went up into the temple to pray; one was a Pharisee, and the other was a tax collector.
    11The Pharisee stood and prayed to himself like this: ‘God, I thank you, that I am not like the rest of men, extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.
    12I fast twice a week. I give tithes of all that I get.’
    13But the tax collector, standing far away, wouldn’t even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’
    14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

    Luke 18:10-14
    Why is the oh-so-nice Pharisees not justified, but the scum-of-the-earth tax collector is?

    First of all, we need to define the terms good and bad here. What/who defines a man as good? Number of times you help the old ladies to get across the street? Number of 10 commandments that you have kept? As long as you are above average, then you are considered good? Let’s see what the Bible says:

    10 As it is written, “There is no one righteous. No, not one.
    11 There is no one who understands. There is no one who seeks after God.
    12 They have all turned aside. They have together become unprofitable. There is no one who does good, No, not, so much as one.”

    Romans 3:10-12
    It does not actually tell us the filtering algorithms that God uses to separate the good guys from the baddies. It only tells us the number of good guys out there – no one, not even one! We all have turned away from God, rejected him as our creator and ruler, and crowned ourselves to be our little kings. We are all baddies in God’s sight, and that means everyone of us – you and me, Aussies and Chinese, Christians and non-Christians – we are all criminals before God. What does that imply? None of us can pass his judgement, and hell will be the next stop for all of us.

    Trying to do good to win God’s favour is like trying to study for the exam that you’ll never pass. The only hope we have is God might have mercy on some of us. In fact, he did show his love and mercy in his son Jesus, and at the cross, his justice and his love are both satisfied. We can be saved, if we do confess that we are baddies, and place our trust on Jesus that his death is enough to pay for my guilt. Thus, baddies can go to heaven.

    What about the good guys then? There are no real righteous man from God’s point of view, except the man Jesus along. All the other so-called good guys trust no one but themselves. They need no God because they think they can run their lives themselves, and they might even out-smart God in His judgement scheme. When the judgement comes, those good guys appear not so good in God’s standard. And by relying solely on themselves, where will they end up with?

    #7684
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Don’t any of you guys read Scriptures?

    Ron:

    Not only do Catholics read the scriptures, Catholic life is nourished, enriched, and completly embued by the Scriptures. I myself have taught Sacred Scripture in Catholic Colleges, and two Seminaries, and while they are filled with such wisdom and depth that they take a lifetime of study, such that I would not call myself an expert, I think I may be a little familiar with not only the Scriptures themselves, but the history and context they where written in, the original languages, (Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic) The interpretation, and heretical interpretations that existed in the early Church, as well as the major divergence from the early Church use and interpretation of the Scriptures by Early Protestants and Dispensationalists (Dispensationalism having only been around for little more than one hundred years. I find it hard to rely on the credibility of Dispensationalism when it claims to have the truth of the Early Church, yet was only invented recently, unless of course you are willing to state that Christ Jesus was a liar, when He told us that He would send the Holy Ghost, the Paraclete to comfort and guide the Church, and that He would not abandon us, but rather would remain with us, and then let the Church fall into error, lapse from the earth and await Protestantism and the invention of an Invisible Church made up of true believers, who cannot be defined, but hover somewhere within “Bible” denominations, or personal interptetations, for those who claim not to be followers of anyone or anything but the bible. These Ideas are truly the ideas of men. These Men are men who rebelled against God and the Church He founded and gave authority to.)

    I’ve read your website, and think it would be helpful to read this link , http://www.catholic.com/library/The_Ant … _Bible.asp
    You may also benefit from finding a copy of the late Louis Bouyer’s book, [u:fi7atn0j]Spirit and the Forms of Protestantism[/u:fi7atn0j] Bouyer you may be interested to know was a hardline Evangelical Protestant minister. He preached more purulent hatred for all things Roman and Catholic than most. When he sat down to do an investigation of the Roman Catholic Church, he found that most of the rot he had been taught in his “Bible based” Evangelical Seminary regarding the Catholic Church was fabricated by early Protestants, and eventually not only converted to the Catholic Faith, but was ordained a priest, and became one of the staunchest defenders of the Church, along with (although later than) John Henry Cardinal Newman, an especially anti-Catholic Evangelical Anglican who converted, Msgr. Ronald Knox, who later translated one of the better English language translations of the Bible, so well translated it became the standard translation read from Catholic Pulpits at Mass in England and Scotland. Msgr. Philip Hughes who likewise was a rabid anti-Catholic with a doctorate in Theology, (Protestant Theology) and History, who when he studied early texts of Church History became convinced that to deny the authority of the Catholic Faith was to deny Christ, and His message of Salvation. Many of the accusations you seem to make against Catholics or the Church have nothing to do with the authentic teachings of the Catholic Faith but are the fallacious arguments of Anti-Catholic writers, I would be remiss in pointing out that aside from being imbued with Scripture in all the Ritual life of the Catholic Church, (Eastern and Western Rites) The Sacred Scriptures (New Testament) did not exist during the first generations after Christ founded the Church, and once written by the inspiration of God, it was the Catholic Church that guarded them, and gave us the canon of both OT and NT books that where accepted. One has to either ignore or deny history, if one cannot see that the Canon of the Sacred Scriptures was compiled and codified by the same Church, founded by Christ Jesus that you condemn.

    While the Sacred Writ does tell us that all scripture is profitable for the teaching and edification of the faithful, it does nowhere say it is required for all to read it. If that was the case the first couple of generations of Christians would be lost, as they did not have many of the NT books until thirty and some sixty years after the Death and Resurrection of our precious Savior.

    With regard to sacraments saving us. Anyone who has studied the actual teachings of the Catholic Church rather than the spin put on the teachings by Protestants who misquote, or pick selective quotes from Catholic Sources that reflect not the entire theology, but only one aspect would know that the Sacraments are effective because they are as the Council of Trent put it, “Since they are the signs of sacred things in so far as by these sacred things men are sanctified (ST III:60:2); since the external rite (matter and form) of itself cannot give grace, [b:fi7atn0j]it is evident that all sacraments properly so called must originate in Divine appointment.[/b:fi7atn0j] [b:fi7atn0j]”Since the sanctification of man is in the power of God who sanctifies”, [/b:fi7atn0j]writes St. Thomas (ST III:60:2), “it is not in the competency of man to choose the things by which he is to be sanctified, but this must be determined by Divine institution”.

    So it is not the rite itself, which can be changed by the Church, as long as we follow what Christ Jesus told us to do, ie in baptism, use water, and baptize in the form he told us we must do. But by God’s will that He made manifest to us (yup, among other places even if one refuses to accept it,
    [b:fi7atn0j]in the Bible[/b:fi7atn0j], and elsewhere in the writings of the Apostles and the Early Church.) We do it because he told us to. We know it to be so, not simply because the Bible, an inspired source of revealed truth tells us so, but because the Bible confirms what the Church has always and everywhere taught until those who wished to rebel against what was passed down from the Apostles, (the latin for to pass down is traditio) and invent their own man made rules about what the Church was, and toss out anything that was contrary to or too hard for them to believe.

    While these things may be hard for you to read, and accept, (Just as it was hard for the Jews listening to Christ Jesus to accept that unless they ate His body and drank His blood they would have no life within them.) I write this because I too am worried about your soul, and your misrepresentations of the Church and Sacred Scripture.

    Most importantly, you (most assuredly) remain in the prayers of those on this board, .[/b]

    #7686
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Weathers, first I just will say thanks for the welcomingthat you said. And secondly about your other post, I want to point out in red the highlights:
    [quote:fqnth1f5]Luke 18:10-14
    Why is the oh-so-nice Pharisees not justified, but the scum-of-the-earth tax collector is?

    First of all, we need to define the terms good and bad here. What/who defines a man as good? Number of times you help the old ladies to get across the street? Number of 10 commandments that you have kept? As long as you are above average, then you are considered good? Let’s see what the Bible says:

    10 As it is written, “There is no one righteous. No, not one.
    11 There is no one who understands. There is no one who seeks after God.
    12 They have all turned aside. They have together become unprofitable. There is no one who does good, No, not, so much as one.”

    Romans 3:10-12
    It does not actually tell us the filtering algorithms that God uses to separate the good guys from the baddies. It only tells us the number of good guys out there – no one, not even one! We all have turned away from God, rejected him as our creator and ruler, and crowned ourselves to be our little kings. We are all baddies in God’s sight, and that means everyone of us – you and me, Aussies and Chinese, Christians and non-Christians – we are all criminals before God. What does that imply?[color=red:fqnth1f5] None of us can pass his judgement, and hell will be the next stop for all of us. [/color:fqnth1f5]

    Trying to do good to win God’s favour is like trying to study for the exam that you’ll never pass. The only hope we have is God might have mercy on some of us. In fact,[color=red:fqnth1f5] he did show his love and mercy in his son Jesus, and at the cross, his justice and his love are both satisfied. We can be saved, if we do confess that we are baddies, and place our trust on Jesus that his death is enough to pay for my guilt[/color:fqnth1f5]. Thus, baddies can go to heaven.
    [color=blue:fqnth1f5]This is it Weathers, you’ve got it right if you’d quit defending purgatory and sacramental means to rid yourself of sin and stick to this, I’d say you understand at this point. So why do you continue such nonsense as LARoberts says above??[/color:fqnth1f5]
    What about the good guys then? [color=red:fqnth1f5]There are no real righteous man from God’s point of view, except the man Jesus along. All the other so-called good guys trust no one but themselves[/color:fqnth1f5]. They need no God because they think they can run their lives themselves, and they might even out-smart God in His judgement scheme. When the judgement comes, those good guys appear not so good in God’s standard. And by relying solely on themselves, where will they end up with?
    _________________[/quote:fqnth1f5]

    The Bible is clear on that as well, sad to say!

    #7687
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    From what I have seen of your rude, and ad hominem postings in review of this site Ronald; the Catholics on this site have bent over backwards to give you a stick to try and beat your egregiously error filled misrepresentaions of both the Catholic Faith, and the Bible. It would seem the little interest taken to your rabid postings comes from Catholics who obey our Lord when we are tells us in the Scriptures, if we are not recieved to shake the dust off our sandles and move on. So I will move on from engaging in arguments with someone who has been obviously blinded by his rage and hate for Christ and His Church, and turn this over to God, and His saints, rather than myself, a sinner still bound to this world.

    Continuing to pray that God’s grace is something you will accept and that you may return to full communion with the Church that Christ founded. There will be more joy in heaven, all the angels and saints will rejoice with their creator, God when you finally open return home.

    Corde Immaculata Maria, Ora pro nobis peccatores, nunc et in hora mortis nostrae, Amen!

    #7688
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Mr LARoberts, you say,
    [quote:17qjsruw]”I’m rude.”[/quote:17qjsruw] Yet you don’t even know me! Then you say that I:
    [quote:17qjsruw] egregiously error filled misrepresentaions of both the Catholic Faith, and the Bible[/quote:17qjsruw]
    which shows that you are just reflecting your belief sytem.

    Now out of my politeness, I’ll simply let the comments rest except for the facts, as you say them, are in gross error. Can you be more specific about just how and where I [quote:17qjsruw] misrepresent [/quote:17qjsruw] both the Catholic Faith, and the Bible. My guess is that you’re like the rest –
    [color=darkred:17qjsruw]mistaken because you don’t know Scriptures[/color:17qjsruw] (Matthew 22:29)

    At least before you waste your time and energy shaking your shoes :lol:

    #7712
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    <img loading=:” title=”Question” /> Ron,I think you have to admit one thing,if you or me die tonight we do have sins on our soul,even if before bedtime we pray to God to foregive them we still have venial sins(do you agree?)if you do,Jesus says one cannot enter into heaven even with a speck of sin on ones soul.so what happens now?

    #7714

    Weather, Ron will quickly point out to you that Romans says the wages of sin is death, therefore there is not distinction in types of sins.

    However, he will neglect to point out in 1 John that it says not all sins are mortal (deadly).

    Either way this will go nowhere so I will lock it up now. Sorry.

    LOCKED

Viewing 11 posts - 21 through 31 (of 31 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.