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Peace be with you Ron,

[quote:2ws8qst1]John 6:28+29 – “Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” [/quote:2ws8qst1]

Again you quote incorrectly and out of context. Jesus is speaking of the Bread of Life, Him, and the Sacrament he institutes. If you read the [b:2ws8qst1]entire[/b:2ws8qst1] passage you would know this. Christ has just multiplied the fishes and the loaves and feed 5000. The backdrop to all of this is Passover. After this the Apostles get back in to the boat to cross to Capernaum. Christ has walked on water crossing the Sea of Galilee. The next day the crowd realizes Christ and the Apostles have gone to Capernaum and the seek out Christ. Once they find Him he begins to teach about the Bread of Life. Where we pick-up:

[quote:2ws8qst1]25 And when they found him across the sea they said to him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?”
26 Jesus answered them and said, “Amen, amen, I say to you, you are looking for me not because you saw signs but because you ate the loaves and were filled. 27 Do not work for food that perishes but for the food that endures for eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him the Father, God, has set his seal.” 28 So they said to him, “What can we do to accomplish the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in the one he sent.” 30 So they said to him, “What sign can you do, that we may see and believe in you? What can you do? 31 Our ancestors ate manna in the desert, as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.'” 32 So Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave the bread from heaven; my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is that which comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” 34 So they said to him, “Sir, give us this bread always.” 35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst. 36 But I told you that although you have seen (me), you do not believe. 37 Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and I will not reject anyone who comes to me, 38 because I came down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of the one who sent me. 39 And this is the will of the one who sent me, that I should not lose anything of what he gave me, but that I should raise it (on) the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life, and I shall raise him (on) the last day.” 41 The Jews murmured about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven,” 42 and they said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph? Do we not know his father and mother? Then how can he say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?” 43 Jesus answered and said to them, “Stop murmuring among yourselves. 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draw him, and I will raise him on the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets: ‘They shall all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to my Father and learns from him comes to me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father except the one who is from God; he has seen the Father. 47 Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died; 50 this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.” 52 The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?” 53 Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”[/quote:2ws8qst1]

So inadvertently you have begun to prove the Sacrament of Holy Eucharist and it’s importance.

[quote:2ws8qst1] ISA 53:5 – But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.[/quote:2ws8qst1]

Amen! But there is more:

[quote:2ws8qst1] 8 Oppressed and condemned, he was taken away, and who would have thought any more of his destiny? When he was cut off from the land of the living, and smitten for the sin of his people, 9 A grave was assigned him among the wicked and a burial place with evildoers, Though he had done no wrong nor spoken any falsehood.
10 (But the LORD was pleased to crush him in infirmity.) If he gives his life as an offering for sin, he shall see his descendants in a long life, and the will of the LORD shall be accomplished through him. 11 Because of his affliction he shall see the light in fullness of days; Through his suffering, my servant shall justify many, and their guilt he shall bear. 12 Therefore I will give him his portion among the great, and he shall divide the spoils with the mighty, Because he surrendered himself to death and was counted among the wicked; And he shall take away the sins of many, and win pardon for their offenses.[/quote:2ws8qst1]

Christ will rise again! Amen! It must be so, and then God’s Plan is completed.

[quote:2ws8qst1] ROM 5:9 – Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.[/quote:2ws8qst1]

But what is said in the next verse?

[quote:2ws8qst1]9 How much more then, since we are now justified by his blood, will we be saved through him from the wrath. 10 Indeed, if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, how much more, [b:2ws8qst1]once reconciled, will we be saved by his life.[/b:2ws8qst1][/quote:2ws8qst1]

Christ must died and then rise. Amen!

[quote:2ws8qst1] ACTS 20:28 – which he hath purchased with his own [u:2ws8qst1]blood.[/u:2ws8qst1][/quote:2ws8qst1]

Amen! Paul is delivering his farewell speech to the presbyters of the church of Ephesus and has charged

them:

[quote:2ws8qst1] 28 Keep watch over yourselves and over the whole flock of which the holy Spirit has appointed you overseers, in which you tend the church of God that he acquired
with his own blood. 29 I know that afterfruits or our Faith and my departure savage wolves will come among you, and they will not spare the flock. 30 And from your own group, men will come forward perverting the truth to draw the disciples away after them. 31 So be vigilant and remember that for three years, night and day, I unceasingly admonished each of you with tears.[/quote:2ws8qst1]

Paul is reminding them of the price paid and the debt owed. This can go on but I think my point is made. Christ had to die and Rise for His Pascal Sacrifice to be complete. What you cite supports this as well but you leave out the importance of His resurrection in God’s Plan for our Salvation. Secondly, full quotes of the verses and quoting in context is paramount to the meaning and truths held within them.

We are saved by Faith. Amen! Works are but the fruits of our faith and the will of God.

[quote:2ws8qst1]27 Do not work for food that perishes but for the food that endures for eternal life,  which the Son of Man will give you. For on him the Father, God, has set his seal.” 28 So they said to him, “What can we do to accomplish the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in the one he sent.”[/quote:2ws8qst1]

God Bless!

Fred