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Sorry for the hiatus. My brother was home from the Army for the past week and we were busy visiting.

I was not talking out both sides of my mouth, Ron. Just because we will be beset by sin does not mean we do not possess the means to overcome it. Temptation abounds in our damaged world but in the resurrection and the new heaven and earth there will be none. My statements are in harmony.

[quote:3vpc6ryo]Have you who claims to use all of Scripture never read Exodus 20:5? –
you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, or Exodus 34:14
(for you shall worship no other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God), or Job 37:14
“Listen to this, O Job;Stand still and consider the wondrous works of God.[/quote:3vpc6ryo]
Irrelevant quotes. These verses address idolatry. Praying for the dead is, as I have already mentioned, praying to God on their behalf.

[quote:3vpc6ryo]And then there is Isaiah 8:19 – ihe last part says ” should not a people seek their God? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living?”[/quote:3vpc6ryo]
And this is the exact opposite of what I addressed in my earlier post. Once again, prayer to God for those who have died.

[quote:3vpc6ryo]How can you that does this type of prayer, preach about context?[/quote:3vpc6ryo]
With an easy conscience. As we just saw above, you quoted four verses both out of context and irrelevant to my post. The last is even the exact opposite of what we were discussing. You are trying to argue against the communion of saints from Revelation 5:8 (those in heaven offering our prayers to God) when we are discussing prayer in another direction.

[quote:3vpc6ryo]Now tell me where do you get this garbage from? (And you never answeered that question)[/quote:3vpc6ryo]
I have answered it several times now.

Nothing imperfect can enter heaven.
We are probably not perfect when we die.
Therefore, we must be perfected sometime between dying and entering heaven.

Or to put it another way (please ignore the obvious inapplicability to adults),

No one who is not 18 can vote.
We are probably not 18.
Therefore, we must become 18 sometime before we vote.

Perhaps if you could be more specific as to where you are confused, instead of just posting invective, you could get an answer addressed to that particular issue instead of these generalities (but, of course, they remain quite clear and simple generalities).

[quote:3vpc6ryo]we are cleaned perfectly by His blood when we believe in the power of His blood shed for that purpose -totally not just covered[/quote:3vpc6ryo]
Then you believe in infused righteousness. Imputed righteousness by definition denies that we are actually perfected.

See why I was interested in that answer?