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Here are some questions.
What is to prevent a person from doing evil in heaven?
If God could make angels with free will but yet good, why then does he not do so with humans?
Let see this topic grow with thoughts and questions.
~Victor
[quote:16j9ojsy]Here are some questions.
What is to prevent a person from doing evil in heaven?
If God could make angels with free will but yet good, why then does he not do so with humans?
Let see this topic grow with thoughts and questions.
~Victor[/quote:16j9ojsy]
Good question, what is to prevent a person from doing evil in heaven? Maybe God?
Not all angels are good. Some, about one third, chose evil.
Yeah, the angels weren’t all perfect, lol
But anyway, people in Heaven are perfected in righteousness. Not only are they perfected but they see God in all His glory and are with Him. No one would commit evil even IF they could.
Obviously I agree with both of you. I think what I struggle with is seeing myself soo holy.
But to build on what you said Steph, I do remember a theologian (can’t remember who) that said that one of the reasons hell is so unpleasant isn’t because of the visuals we think of like darkness, fire, or what ever else but because at that point people KNOW that God exist and they begin to have a BURNING DESIRE to know Him but they would of never held a perfect relationship with Him anyways. They want to KNOW God under THEIR conditions, not God’s. Hence, they ended up in Hell. That make sense?
~Victor
[quote:15q26ni2]Obviously I agree with both of you. I think what I struggle with is seeing myself soo holy.
But to build on what you said Steph, I do remember a theologian (can’t remember who) that said that one of the reasons hell is so unpleasant isn’t because of the visuals we think of like darkness, fire, or what ever else but because at that point people KNOW that God exist and they begin to have a BURNING DESIRE to know Him but they would of never held a perfect relationship with Him anyways. They want to KNOW God under THEIR conditions, not God’s. Hence, they ended up in Hell. That make sense?
~Victor[/quote:15q26ni2]
Hell is Hell because it is the absence of God. KNOWING what God is yet being totally and completely for all eternity seperated from Him is as bad as it gets. Even atheists and satanists on Earth don’t have that kind of pain because they don’t “know what they are missing” although that is a somewhat crude way of putting it, lol
Great question Victor!
I’m not sure how this applies to angels… but I usually answer the question about free will in heaven like this:
Imagine you are standing in an open space.
Before you are two things… a swimming pool and your family- holding a billion dollars. (or pick anything that you would desire most in this world)
You get to choose which one you want to go to first… you have the free will to choose.
…. but before you choose, I cover you in gasoline and set a lit match to ya.
Pretty easy choice, right? You will jump into the pool to extinguish the flames.
Seeing God face to face… the love of our Creator and Father… is just as intense (but in a good way!) as being lit on fire with gasoline.
We still have free will… but a person would have to be insane to make any other choice.
That help?
Scott
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