[quote:992cv0ml]another thing about the baptism, the Mormon church is the only church that does baptism the right way, baptism by immersion! [/quote:992cv0ml]

Actually, my priest asked if I’d like to be baptised into the RCC by full immersion. I said no for fear of whiplash, but still…

I remember not drinking soda and coffee when I was only 14 yrs old. They would constantly tell me how I was destined to go to Chile and that will be where my mission would be as soon as I graduated high school. I was Mormon for about 9 months or so and now that I look back at it was pretty occultish even from the inside. I remember I stopped talking to my friends and even began getting into arguments with my mom ” title=”Sad” /> . Don’t get me wrong, they were very nice to me but they were just too nice. They made Ned Flanders from the Simpsons look like a demon. It just didn’t feel real. They were very robotic in their expressions. Not sure if the rest of the Mormon churches are like this but that was my experience. But then again, I was only 14. But I agree with you ftstemp….

~Victor

That is mostly due to the reality that many people aren’t rejecting Catholicism but rather what they perceive it to be.

~Victor

PS-Was it Newman that actually said this?

[quote:vrizv4ur]First and foremost, isn’t anyone who believes in Christ a christian? The answer is YES. And Mormons do. So therefore they are Christian, another thing about the baptism, the Mormon church is the only church that does baptism the right way, baptism by immersion! And have you ever read in the Bible where is says His (Jesus) sheep he has others of? Yeah that would be what the Book of Mormon is talking about, instead of downing other religions take a look at yours.[/quote:vrizv4ur]

Believe in Christ? How exactly? Even msot atheists believe he EXISTED, that does not make them Christians. Mormons do not believe Jesus is God. They believe he was CREATED by God. That means they are not Christians, period. Also, the Bible never sas immersion is the only way to Baptize, and besides, plenty of churches baptize by immersion. In the Catholic Church, you can choose to be baptized by immersion.

Where on earth you get the idea that Jesus is talking about the Book of Mormon is beyond me. The Book of Mormon was written eighteen hudnred years after Jesus preached. Did he let his flock go without spiritual guidance for THAT long? even though He promised the Gates of Hell would not prevail agaisnt his Church, and yet His church did not even have the Book of Mormon yet? That doesn’t make much sense at all.

[quote:a2bsn9uy]Morman is tecnicly christian, a christian is somone who belives that christ died for thier sins.
Mormons belive that a prophet from the 18th centuery was visited by an angel who told him to write on golden plates the book of momon to set up a new church.
The things they belive are unbiblical because if it is true then there should be somthing in the bible to support it.[/quote:a2bsn9uy]

If I remember correctly, they can in fact give you biblical support for their prophet and the apostasizing church. Flawedly so, but they can.

[quote:jzoe2q6g]Well is this the pot calling the kettle black?

[quote:jzoe2q6g]
If I remember correctly, they can in fact give you biblical support for their prophet and the apostasizing church. Flawedly so, but they can[/quote:jzoe2q6g].

many different claims, but no Salvation either!
Ron[/quote:jzoe2q6g]

Judgement calls by the ol wise wizard of OZ.
YOU DON’T KNOW WHO IS GOING TO END UP IN HEAVEN….so please stop making such calls.

[quote:sqyvjgi2]Hello Victor, Your note said:

[quote:sqyvjgi2]Judgement calls by the ol wise wizard of OZ.
YOU DON’T KNOW WHO IS GOING TO END UP IN HEAVEN….so please stop making such calls.
[/quote:sqyvjgi2]

individually I can’t be specific, However the Bible says somewhere that a person can be judged by their words (Matthew 12:34-37), fruit, actions etc etc and based upon this, and knowing how one gets saved, we can have a pretty good clue to who is or isn’t saved. You know the old John 20:23 verse (as meant to be – wthout the priest) So I guess it is YOU that doesn’t know. Why? Because you think one is judged by how good they are as in if one’s good outweighs his nasty side – Not the Gospel[/quote:sqyvjgi2]

The clues don’t indicate any sort of writing in stone. That person might turn into an unrepentent sinner from one day to the next.

I’m saying exactly what I said before. I do not deny that:

[color=olive:1frbupmi]2 Cor 5:17 – Therefore if any [b:1frbupmi]man is in Christ[/b:1frbupmi], {he is} a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.[/color:1frbupmi]

Can a man [b:1frbupmi]that is in Christ[/b:1frbupmi], seize to be in Christ in the future? If not, why not?

[color=olive:1frbupmi]John 10:28-And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.[/color:1frbupmi]

Same question, applies to this verse.

[color=olive:1frbupmi]John 2:19-They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. [/color:1frbupmi]

This verse is talking about people who never committed. It is rather irrelevant to what I am talking about. I speak of men who have truly committed but seized to be in Christ and lost salvation.

Let me give you a couple examples:

Luke 8:13 – Jesus teaches that some people receive the word with joy, but they have no root, believe for a while, and then fall away in temptation. They had the faith but they lost it.

Luke 15:11-32 ‚Äì in the parable of the prodigal son, we learn that we can be genuine sons of the Father, then leave home and die, then return and be described as “alive again.”

John 15:1-10 – we can be in Jesus (a branch on the vine), and then if we don’t bear fruit, are cut off, wither up and die. Paul makes this absolutely clear in Rom. 11:20-23.

Hopefully this will suffice.

Peace In Christ