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I was participating in another forum recently and someone asked the question why Christians and Mormons fight so much and why can’t brothers in Christ just reconcile (I paraphrased that of course).
Well, I find it very hard for Christianity and Mormonism to reconcile as brothers in Christ because Mormonism isn’t even Christian.
It was made up by then 14 year-old Joseph Smith in the 1800s who was looking for a church, but did not like all the ones available at the time. Supposedly God gave him some special revelation that the true church had fallen away and he was supposed to lead the newly restored church.
Their teachings are very different from what the early Christians practiced and are in stark contrast to what we teach now yet there are so many people out there who think that Mormons are just as authentically Christian as the next group.
Another person even went so far as to say the Early Church Fathers were Mormon!
When Mormons tell me that the Book of Mormon is [i:1tgk9em7]another testament of Jesus Christ[/i:1tgk9em7], I respond; [i:1tgk9em7]no…it’s a testament of another Jesus Christ[/i:1tgk9em7]
That’s the best response I have heard yet to the Book of Mormon…lol
” title=”Very Happy” />But seriously, they say lots of things that try to make it sound like the rest of Christianity, but when you dig beneath the surface is when you find all the things that are very, very strange and deviate from anything that Christianity has taught for the last 2000 years.
On another message boards, there are criteria for which religions may be considered Christian. The criteria is simply whether or not it professes the truths of the Apostles’ Creed & Nicene Creed (sans the Filioque for our Orthodox brethren).
The deny the divinity of Christ and the personage of the Holy spirit.
[quote:uxbev74g]On another message boards, there are criteria for which religions may be considered Christian. The criteria is simply whether or not it professes the truths of the Apostles’ Creed & Nicene Creed (sans the Filioque for our Orthodox brethren).[/quote:uxbev74g]
By this measure, Frances Kissling could be considered a true Christian?
It is the basis for a religion to be considered Christian on that board. The judgement of each individual person is left to God.
[quote:2rcu5v8f]The judgement of each individual person is left to God.[/quote:2rcu5v8f]
I agree with that part, but to call oneself a Christian and hold such different beliefs is silly. To put it ver, very boldly it perverts the true message of the particular group (in this case Christianity) and confuses those who would not know otherwise.
[quote:15msy9qo] By this measure, Frances Kissling could be considered a true Christian? [/quote:15msy9qo]
Who is that?
You were up too late. Go to bed.
Frances Kissling is president of the heretical Catholics for a Free Choice.
[quote:1621v2eu]Frances Kissling is president of the heretical Catholics for a Free Choice.[/quote:1621v2eu]
lol, even I didn’t know that. I know more about the group than about the man so I guess it’s ok.
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Obviously. Frances Kissling is a woman.
It is very hard to conclude that a Mormonn is a Christian, when the Vatican Curia has declared that Mormon “baptism” is not valid Christian Baptism.
An excellent point.
All Trinitarian baptisms are valid. That is why Protestant baptisms are recognized by the Church.
Sects that have rejected Trinitarian theology (JWs, Oneness Pentecostals, Christadelphians) and sects with heretical Trinitarian theology (Mormons) do not perform valid baptisms.
Baptism is the manner by which we join the Body of Christ. Sans valid baptism, an individual is not Christian.
here are some articles i have collected on mormonism:
[i:2kgoofh2][u:2kgoofh2]Comprehensive Arguments[/u:2kgoofh2][/i:2kgoofh2]
—Mormons[/url:2kgoofh2]
—The Book on Mormonism’s Testament to Another Christ[/url:2kgoofh2] ([b:2kgoofh2]10 chapters[/b:2kgoofh2])
—Mormons[/url:2kgoofh2]
—A Christian Looks at Mormonism[/url:2kgoofh2]
—A Catholic Refutation of Mormon Doctrine[/url:2kgoofh2]
—Difficult Questions for the Mormoms to Answer[/url:2kgoofh2]
—Distinctive Beliefs of the Mormon Church[/url:2kgoofh2]
—Mormon Stumpers[/url:2kgoofh2]
—Dialogue with a Mormon[/url:2kgoofh2]
—Talking to Mormons[/url:2kgoofh2]
—How to Talk to Mormons[/url:2kgoofh2]
—Mormonism and Its Mythology[/url:2kgoofh2]
—The Appeal of Mormonism[/url:2kgoofh2]
—Is Mormonism Christian?[/url:2kgoofh2]
—From Utah with Love[/url:2kgoofh2]
—Drawing the Line for Mormons: A Closer Look at the LDS Church[/url:2kgoofh2]
—Is the Mormon Religion a Christian Religion?[/url:2kgoofh2]
—Introduction to Mormon Beliefs[/url:2kgoofh2]
[i:2kgoofh2][u:2kgoofh2]Specific Doctrinal Beliefs[/u:2kgoofh2][/i:2kgoofh2]
—The Gods of the Mormon Church[/url:2kgoofh2]
—Dialogue With A Mormon Apologist on the Christian Doctrine of God, and Doctrinal Development[/url:2kgoofh2]
—The Mormon Christ[/url:2kgoofh2]
—Mormonism’s Baptism for the Dead[/url:2kgoofh2]
—Questioning the Validity of Mormon Baptism[/url:2kgoofh2]
—[b:2kgoofh2]1 Cor 15:29[/b:2kgoofh2] and Baptism of the Dead[/url:2kgoofh2]
—Who Holds the Keys?: The Papacy vs. Mormonism[/url:2kgoofh2]
—Mormonism and the Great Apostasy Theory[/url:2kgoofh2]
—In Search of the “Great Apostasy”[/url:2kgoofh2]
—Batting Around the Great Apostacy[/url:2kgoofh2]
—The “Double Think” of Mormonism[/url:2kgoofh2]
—Mormons and Baptism[/url:2kgoofh2]
—Looking for God in All the Wrong Places: Like KOLOB[/url:2kgoofh2]
—The Wacky World of Joseph Smith and the un-Christianity of Mormon Theology[/url:2kgoofh2]
[i:2kgoofh2][u:2kgoofh2]The Book of Mormon[/u:2kgoofh2][/i:2kgoofh2]
—Problems with the Book of Mormon[/url:2kgoofh2]
—Why Does the Book of Mormon Contain a Disclaimer of Inspiration?[/url:2kgoofh2]
—The Book of Mormon Quotes the Preface of the 1611 King James Bible[/url:2kgoofh2]
—The Mormons and the King James Version[/url:2kgoofh2]
—Problems with the Book of Mormon[/url:2kgoofh2]
—Book of Mormon Apologetic Footnotes[/url:2kgoofh2]maybe somethin in there will help
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phatcatholic
First and foremost, isn’t anyone who believes in Christ a christian? The answer is YES. And Mormons do. So therefore they are Christian, another thing about the baptism, the Mormon church is the only church that does baptism the right way, baptism by immersion! And have you ever read in the Bible where is says His (Jesus) sheep he has others of? Yeah that would be what the Book of Mormon is talking about, instead of downing other religions take a look at yours.
Not sure exactly what we said that bothered you. We simply posed a question and talked about it. For whatever it was that bothered you I’m sure everybody in the forum will agree that that is not our intention. We don’t want to misrepresent, belittle, hurt or otherwise any other religion. Perhaps you can tell us where we went wrong so we can correct it? When I was Mormon I did not see the Trinity presented in the same fashion as Christianity. I was Mormon for year. But there is always that possibility that could have misunderstood. Although I am not alone in my understading. Many that have left have had the same understanding.
Would you like to clarify?In Christ
~Victor
You’re flat wrong, I’m afraid. Baptists — who are a somewhat-mainline protestant denomination, practice immersion. Several pentecostal and ‘non’ denominational traditions practice immersion baptism.
And not one of them is a cult that teaches that Jesus walked with the Indians — ‘scuse me, Native Americans — on sabbatical and we can all be God one day, complete with our own planet to rule over. Started by a guy who couldn’t make a go at gold-digging…
Please forgive me, gang, but I can’t keep the Irish down when someone pipes up without knowledge, reason, or, apparently, intelligence. Jon, feel free to delete this if I’m getting out of hand!
No wonder I’m still Protestant…
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