So, in other words, you have to start with the belief that the Bible is the word of God, first and then use the Bible to prove that. That makes zero sense.
Saint James’ question was “how does one know the Bible is the Word of God?” and your answer would be “because it just is.” How is that an acceptable proof? It’s not. It’s circular reasoning. [/quote:1l043pbq]
That is only your feelings. It speaks for itself – can you find an error in it?
I don’t think so, yet there are so many prophetcies such as the virgin birth, Daniels sevenith week, and about our Lord’s death + resurrection and many others that have or will be 100% correct, then you say:
[quote:1l043pbq]There are no errors or mistakes in a math textbook and the “prophecies” (formulas and lessons) that lie within one are “fulfilled” (problems and exercises). Does this make a math book the word of God? [/quote:1l043pbq]
No and I bet there were at one time or another there were mistakes made as they did these problems and your books sren’t disussing Heaven or Hell either, so how can you say that they are even relavent to this topic?
[quote:1l043pbq]A Muslim will attest the same thing about their Qu’ran as you do the Bible – that all the prophetic areas have come true and it says within the book that it is the word of God. Does that make it so? [/quote:1l043pbq]
And take their book and I would ask how they figure to deal with sin? I don’t think they know, nor does their god die and resurrect! Where as my Bible is about THE one and only God – Now you have three choices
1 – Jesus was a lier
2 – Jesus was a lunatic
3 – JEsus was who He claimed to be and you can believe Him or not?
[quote:1l043pbq]Do you see how your reasoning falls flat[/quote:1l043pbq]
I don’t think the Bible is wrong – NO
But don’t you use the same “circular reasoning?”
You defend Catholicism with Cstholic material and sources such as
Catholic Answers or all of the witnesses that you quote even though none are infallble, that is more of an example of what not to trust, then to trust in that God’s word tells us about the past, present, and future. – 100% accurately! even Nostradomus or Jeanne Dixon could do that.
St. James says:
[quote:1l043pbq]The question would be: how did the Apostle Paul know that the Old Testament was the Word of God?
Also, this verse would show the validity of oral tradition because Paul preaching Christ (the New Testament was not completed at this time) and establishing church polity. [/quote:1l043pbq]
first – Paul wass taught by God (see 2 Corinthians 12:2 -[color=red:1l043pbq]
I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows such a one was caught up to the third heaven.[/color:1l043pbq] and GAlatians 2:1-10 especially verses 7+8 – [color=red:1l043pbq] But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter 8 (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles), [/color:1l043pbq]
secondly – the oral tradtion spoken of was no different then what God
gave us in the Bible – so that argument means nothing
Another question would be: how would you know what books to choose to include in the Bible, say when the New Testament canon was formed?[/quote:1l043pbq]
God was in control – He says it and it certainly wasn’t by human minds as Peter tells us: 1 Peter 1:11+12, 18-21 – and 23 and 25 —
[color=red:1l043pbq] searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 12 To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven…..
knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. 20 He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you 21 who through Him believe in God, ….Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, 23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever…But the word of the LORD endures forever.”[[/color:1l043pbq]
And 2 Peter 1:20,21 tells us:
[color=red:1l043pbq] 20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, 21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God [u:1l043pbq][b:1l043pbq]spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit[/b:1l043pbq][/u:1l043pbq][/color:1l043pbq]
I don’t have to know everything on How or why we got what we have — but more important is to believe in what it says — unlike your supposedly correct “traditions” which you follow because of men. That would be my question to you-Why?