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St James says:
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You are still not getting it. [/quote:1v0ey76o]
Not getting it ? I’ve gotten it already.

[quote:1v0ey76o]You are making decisions of what to believe in based on your own preferences. You will believe Martin Luther in grace and faith alone but not regarding the sacraments.

Please understand this: you believe in Scripture alone because Martin Luther said it. This is actually a teaching tradition handed down generation by
generation. Baptist teaching is tradition handed down the same way. [/quote:1v0ey76o]

What is it that you seem to think I misunderstand? I’ve told you I don’t follow Martin Luther. I’ve told you that we are saved by faith (alone) in what Jesus did at Calvary (Alone) and as Titus 3:5 says “Not by any righteous deed we do” There is nothing hard to understand that
[quote:1v0ey76o]Ron, I can see the way you conduct yourself. You haven’t realized that. your argument was lost a while ago. Instead of honestly admitting this and facing reality, you will constantly do anything to come out on top. [/quote:1v0ey76o]
I sure don’t feel that I lost anything by quoting Scriptures.

[quote:1v0ey76o]But that’s not what is happening. Instead of coming out on top you end up digging a hole for yourself and you are constantly looking up without realizing it. [/quote:1v0ey76o]
If I’m looking up its at Jesus, not you guys down there.

[quote:1v0ey76o]It is a sad thing when this happens. The key is not to justify yourself, the key is to humble yourself. This has great weight with God. [/quote:1v0ey76o]
No the KEY is where you place your faith in to attain Heaven

[quote:1v0ey76o]You need to ask yourself what are you trying to accomplish here. Is it motivated by love towards those you are communicating with, or are you expressing yourself with hatred? [/quote:1v0ey76o]
Love for the lost

[quote:1v0ey76o]I have been on this forum for a very short time and I already know you are not convincing anyone. You have no credibility. And I have to say there are times you really don’t make any sense. [/quote:1v0ey76o]
you don’t understand and I can clearly see that, but how do you know if I make a difference or not? Can you read their mind?

[quote:1v0ey76o]I am not saying this to hurt you. I really do care for you and I am praying for you. [/quote:1v0ey76o]
But I’m not hurting. Thanks for the prayer but I really think you need to get saved before your prayers will do any good.

[quote:1v0ey76o]Instead of all your fighting and attacking folks Christ wants you to speak the truth in love. [/quote:1v0ey76o]
Which is what I’m doing

[quote:1v0ey76o]First, you need to know His love. His love is on the Cross. He wants you to come with Him to be crucified with Him to ” share in His sufferings”.
To hide in the wounds of the Crucified One is the safest place to be. Rest in His love, take time to become like Him. [/quote:1v0ey76o]
I agree – that’s why purgatory is a joke, praying to Mary, sacramentalism and so much more is unbiblical.

[quote:1v0ey76o]Second, pray that you love others the way Christ loves them. You love people that are different than you, you even love your enemies. You do consider us your enemy don’t you? [/quote:1v0ey76o]
I consider you lost, not the enemy, that’s why I’m here.

[quote:1v0ey76o]Third, realize Christ loves you. I think this is a key for you. You are constantly trying to lift yourself up by putting others down. You can never be wrong. This of course is pride, but with you I think that it is much more. [/quote:1v0ey76o]
Of course I know that Jesus loves me and why I believe in Him and follow His word…..no pride about it.

[quote:1v0ey76o]I might be wrong, (and I don’t want to be a therapist here) but I do think your are always trying to prove yourself worthy to earn the love first of your earthly father, then of your Heavenly Father. [/quote:1v0ey76o]
You are wrong

[quote:1v0ey76o]Now I know you know that you are not able to earn salvation, but we must also realize that we are unable to earn His love. [/quote:1v0ey76o]
You say this yet your church says one should try to merit their salvation through works, sacraments purgatory etc…etc …

[quote:1v0ey76o]He does love you Ron. He wants you to love Him with all your heart, soul, mind and strength: not just faith for salvation. To love Christ is to be like Him. Read the Gospels, fall in love with Him. [/quote:1v0ey76o]
I know that and He loves you as well.. Been there, done that,that’s why I’m here!

[quote:1v0ey76o]Afterward, let Christ lead you to speak the truth in love, the love that led Christ to the Cross for me and for you. [/quote:1v0ey76o]
got it! But only those who trust in THAT will be saved, so one cannot say they believe in the finished work of Christ and remain a fervent catholic – there are two separate Gospels

[quote:1v0ey76o]I’ve struggled with trying to earn His love, now I pursue to know His love. Will you pray for me? [/quote:1v0ey76o]
I’ll pray for your conversion.

Bernardine – praying to Mary won’t help me or you so why do that?