LARoberts Has a few words to express:
[quote:223cuqrv]Well, among the first requirements of the Catholic Church is to believe on Christ Jesus. So based on the minimalist logic of the Fundie Evangelicals, Catholics as they Believe are “Saved” [/quote:223cuqrv]
Are you really saved as a Catholic? His word tells us that He did everything (It is finished) to save us with His Blood but your church talks of Purgatory as a place to get sins purged, of faith PLUS your works as being needed, that we can go to Mary and others with prayers, that sacraments are the means to merit salvation. Tell me LARoberts what is it that you believe Jesus did at Calvary since you deny what the Bible tells us so you can believe in those things????
[quote:223cuqrv]Lets just set aside for a moment the fact that Ronism ingores the many instances in sacred scripture where we read that you must be born of water and the spirit, and that the Ethiopian after hearing the message of Christ wishes to be baptized without any delay. We don’t want to get into the entire families and crowds who hear the message and want to be baptized, where the scriptures do not support Ronism by saying, “Except Babies and Children.”[/quote:223cuqrv]
Yes the Bible says believe and be baptised, note that the salvation is dealt with first in believing then the Baptising. But you show your faith is twisted by thinking that Baptism does it.
[quote:223cuqrv]Oops, almost forgot to say, no offence Ron, just trying to educate you about the historical teachings of the Church that existed long before your beliefs where invented by men in the 16th Century, and even before the New Testament was written. [/quote:223cuqrv]
Not so as Jesus said every thing in Scriptures will happen, that the Word will happen – guaranteed – This was before the Bible was even written so my beliefs go back to Jesus not your so-called church history
[quote:223cuqrv]Guess these folks where not saved either, as they held the same faith as the Catholic Church continues to hold, and they did not have ol King James and his mandated translation to misquote. [/quote:223cuqrv]
If they believe as today’s Catholic then you are right, I guess these folks were not saved either.
Then again, according to Ron’s actions, he is not held accountable. Ron can rant and rave that only he knows the truth and must thump us with his interpretation of the Bible, as only he knows the truth. I almost forgot for a moment that he is a “Bible Believer” so he can’t err, not is he held to the same standards as everyone else. He can judge us, but we can’t respond or we are brainwashed. He can yell at us, (in a cyber manner) but when we use the same tactics as he does, we are being mean and angry. Ronism gets quite a chuckle from those I’ve shared his rants with. [/quote:223cuqrv]
You forgot the word sarcastic at the end too! ” title=”Smile” />
[b:223cuqrv]You also posted this:[/b:223cuqrv]
[quote:223cuqrv]I can just imagine him in a dress and wig, like the guy who played the “Church Lady” on the old Saturday Night Live. I was never up late enough to watch the entire program, but I have seen tapes of the Church Lady… Smug, always ignoring the whole picture and distorting what others said. Much the same Ronald distorts my suggestion that he look over his webpage for contradictory statements he makes and wanders off into an entirely different universe talking about how his content agrees with those of other diluded Anti-Catholics. [/quote:223cuqrv]
I think your words were
[quote:223cuqrv]on other boards where I have read and observed the same shameless behavior[/quote:223cuqrv]
yet you say that I distorted them?????
[quote:223cuqrv]At least as Catholics we can use humor, and parody, be it Rabid Anti-Catholics, or ourselves. One of the main reasons for this is the Protestant mind, as it gets closer to Calvin and the Puritan Movements, has no room for humor. Unlike Catholics who believe in a God who loves us because we are His creation, and reaches out to us out of Love, and because He sees in us the potential to be elevated to what He intended for mankind before the fall, (when we attain the Beatific Vision).
The Protestant looks at the world from the point of being of no value to God, a total reprobate, unworthy of God’s mercy. Lutheran Theology describes mankind and our souls as being dung hills. God tricks Himself and looks away, ignoring our reprobate souls and covers us in grace despite our unworthiness. However as Catholics God sees us as sons and daughters who have fallen into error, and calls us back to Him because He as our Creator sees what we can become, rather than looking only at our rejection of Him. [/quote:223cuqrv]
Sees what you’ve become? my oh my LARoberts I’m sure you really are making an impression on Christ – NOT read Isaiah 64:6 for your proper perpective or Luke 18:10-13 for you are sounding much like the Pharisee.
Ever hear about humility?
[quote:223cuqrv]Catholics we believe that God is merciful, and deals with each soul based on the knowledge they have of Him. In the case of an Aboriginal man who has never heard the Good News, or been baptized God will deal with Him according to His mercy. We do not know, even though theologians have speculated; After death God may give this pagan full knowledge of the truth and allow him to choose God or reject Him. He may give the soul of a just pagan who has never been evangelized a place of perfect happiness, (Limbo). The Church has never defined what the disposition of that soul is, because it has not been revealed to us. [/quote:223cuqrv]
Lets just say it the way Jesus did in Matthew 22:29 – you error not knowing Scriptures
[quote:223cuqrv]In the case of lapsed Catholics who take the Rabid Anti-Catholic stance of people like Ron. God will not stop sending grace even though Ron may for the present time refuse it and continue to blind himself to historical facts, and any point of view that does not concur with his own authority, and his own interpretation, which when it disagrees with the other people who write in the “Christian” newspaper he “writes” for, he rejects and condemns as Non-Biblical*. The Church teaches that we cannot do as he does, and proclaim them to be damned, or “not saved” as he by his limiting of God an His mercy does. [/quote:223cuqrv]
I think you mean YOUR church, not THE Church
[quote:223cuqrv]Ron, at least at the present time appears to be suffering from Invincible Ignorance. Invincible Ignorance is a state in which someone cannot hear the Truth of God and the Message of Christ Jesus which He gave to His Church in order to spread the message of salvation to the ends of the world. In Ron’s case, it would appear that he is so vested in his errors, and so prejudiced against the Church, that he cannot or refuses to accept what she teaches, and has held since being commissioned by Christ. As Catholics we cannot dismiss Ronald or anyone else to hellfire, we must depend on God to make that final determination. Thus as individual Catholics we are relieved of the burden of making Judgements for God, and condemning others based on our own determination of how someone’s soul will be judged by God. [/quote:223cuqrv]
Boy this one has it all – mean, angry, and sarcastic WOW
[quote:223cuqrv]*Having read copies of the paper online, it would appear that most anyone can submit an article and have it published if they live in the area, and claim to be a Christian. Some of the writers have even included Catholics and Catholic Ritual and Tradition as a valid Christian alternative. Seems odd that Ronald would be a part of such an evil paper as one that accepts the Catholic faith, (at least on the part of some article submissions). Run, don’t walk away from your paper Ron, you may learn tact and tollerance for others, (which does not imply acceptance of their viewpoints.)
Well at least you are reading something that might help you ” title=”Smile” />