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Mr Weathers you are very wrong when you say that
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The basic objection to the Catholic doctrine of the real presence is not that it is against Scripture, but that it is against reason[/quote:1ix0bb53]

Do you think that what goes into the mouth matters? Then explain this from MAtthew 15:11-17:
[color=red:1ix0bb53] 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”
12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”
13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”
15 Then Peter answered and said to Him, “Explain this parable to us.”
16 So Jesus said, “Are you also still without understanding? 17 Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated?[/color:1ix0bb53]
And then look at John 6:
[i:1ix0bb53][color=red:1ix0bb53]35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.

YOU’d claim literal? Yet today people still hunger and thirst [/color:1ix0bb53]

41 The Jews then complained about Him, because He said, “I am the bread which came down from heaven.” 42 And they said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that He says, ‘I have come down from heaven’?”
43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.'[e]Therefore everyone who has heard and learned[f] from the Father comes to Me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father. 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. [b:1ix0bb53]51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.” [/b:1ix0bb53]
[[color=black:1ix0bb53]color=black]But people still are dying every day[/color:1ix0bb53]![/color]

[color=red:1ix0bb53]52 The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?”
53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is food indeed,[h] and My blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.” [/color:1ix0bb53]
Yet they still die – check your obituaries
they still hungeer and thirst daily as well

[color=red:1ix0bb53]59 These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum.
Many Disciples Turn Away

60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying; who can understand it?”
61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.”[/color:1ix0bb53] [/color][/i:1ix0bb53]
Verse 6:63 tells us clearly that the words are spirtual – not flesh

or go back to John 4:31-34 – Was Jesus saying that he actually had a hambuger under his robe? (below)

[color=red:1ix0bb53]31 In the meantime His disciples urged Him, saying, “Rabbi, eat.”
32 But He said to them, “I have food to eat of which you do not know.”
33 Therefore the disciples said to one another, “Has anyone brought Him anything to eat?”
34 Jesus said to them, “My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me, and to finish His work[/color:1ix0bb53]
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It just more deception by your church!

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