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As usual you are in your own universe Ron. I was asking for you to define the individual teachings, not for you to cut and paste snippets of what the teachings are. I wanted you to be as comprehensive as possible, so we know how you define, or narrowly misdefine what the Church teaches… You have remained consistant with that, and shown that your contorting things to mean what they don’t mean is either pathological or simply due to the brainwashing you have had against the Catholic Church.

[quote:27zbtc1v]Once again, you tell us what the Catholic Church teaches, like an elementary school math test show your work, that is if you quote someone [i:27zbtc1v][b:27zbtc1v](remember not to cut and paste from Catholic sources as you tend to distort them)[/b:27zbtc1v][/i:27zbtc1v] cite the source. This is not an invitation for you to beat with your bully stick Catholic Teachings, simply to [i:27zbtc1v][b:27zbtc1v]define them as you understand them [/b:27zbtc1v][/i:27zbtc1v][/quote:27zbtc1v]

Until you can “fight the good fight” by honest and open debates and not shrill twisting of facts, I see no point in reading anything you write as it is based not on truth or an honest desire to save souls, but the simple desire to put people down and gloat over the belief that only you and those who believe in your man made ideas of salvation based on novel doctrines invented 1500 years after our Lord founded His Church and gave the authority to preach in His Name, heal in His Name, forgive in His Name, and “Do this in anamensis of Me” when He did found the Catholic Church.

Just picking from your poorly selected biblical quotes on the Trinity…
31″But about the resurrection of the dead have you not read what God said to you, 32’I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'[a]? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”
When you quote ” proof texts, you need to do so with someone who is not familar with the Scriptures, that way you can distort the text. Speaking to the Chief Priests, our Lord asks if they have not read what is written, He does not explicitly say “This text is referring to Me as I am that same God” He simply asks them about a text from the OT. (Now as a Catholic I beleive the Jesus is the second person in the Trinity, but not because of a faulty use of the Bible.) None of the others prove the point of our Lord being the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, as they do not clearly and specifically state that Jesus is God, “Son” and “My Son” are attributes that we all share in as we are creatures of God. The funniest thing about your use of these texts is that the interpreteation or spin you put on them is not clear in Scripture, as Arius used the same texts to deny the Divinity of Christ, but what you have proposed are arguments that in the refutation of Arius, early Church Fathers like Tertulian, St. John Chrysostom, St. Clement of Rome etc gave as having been transmitted to them by the traditions of the Apostles and their immediate successors, not from a clearly defined Biblical Text. Yes they imply Christ’s Divinity, but they don’t directly confirm it, so either you have to accept as a plain fact that you are reading into the text something that is not there, or you have been influenced by the Traditional teachings of the Catholic Church, her Fathers, and Councils, most of all Nicea.