At this point it would seem that the shifting of the conversation to the talking points which have no basis in the authentic interpretation of Sacred Scripture or historical fact (at least until Evangelical Protestant Ministers in the 18th and 19th Centuries re-invented the Church in their own image, making them a religious system that is truly a Tradition of Men,) can not be given an honest replies. Not because of the 2000 year teaching of Christ Jesus, upheld and maintained by the Catholic Church since it’s founding around 33AD is wrong, but because these Evangelical Traditons of Men are so far removed from what Christ Jesus taught, and simply preach a false Christ invented by Protestant Theologians when they proclaimed themselves to be the authority and denied the Church who had been the guardian of the Truth centuries even back to the Apostles. The untruths proposed by Protestant, most of all Evangelical Protestantism and the “Church Invisible” being so distant from what Christ taught, cannot be reconciled with what Jesus handed down to the Apostles, (Traditio: to hand down or to hand on) It is not suprising, as the Man made Traditions of the Protestants have no historical basis before they rejected Christ’s claim that He would remain with us, and that He would send the Holy Ghost to guide and help us, but rather that He abandoned us until they came along to put things back on track. Too bad that according to Protestant “logic” Jesus cannot be taken for his word.
As the Bible never says that we need to accept Jesus as “Our Lord and Personal Savior,” and that is that. But rather says, we should “Believe and be baptized in Water and the Spirit.” The same goes for the Eternal Assurance hogwash of the Evangelicals, basing their interpretation of Scipture on the King James or other modern language versions of the Scriptures, they tell us that when we “Make our decision for Christ” we are Saved. However the greek word and tense used by St. Paul when he writes about salvation is a transitent form of the verb which means that we are in the process of our salvation, not a completed work, but a work being acted upon us by the work of the passion and death of Christ, and our cooperation with His graces, gained for us by His Cross. Too bad the Evangelicals are not taught to read the Scriptures with an understanding of the original languages, but re-cast the original text to conform to their meanings and interpretations.
Since the hostility, anger and venom of people who place more stock in Anti-Catholic writers than they do in the Sacred Scriptures, or the 2000 year consistant teaching of the Church which pre-dates the inspired books of the New Testament, making them blind to authentic Christian teaching. I think the only thing left is to ask our Lady, the Immaculate Heart to join us in petitioning her son, our Lord that the heart’s of rabid anti-Catholics be softened and they rather than blindly condemn the teachings of Christ out of the hatred for the Church He founded, that they come to submit to Christ Jesus and the Church He founded.
So I for one, having Chosen Christ and His teachings, will not be drawn in any further to the false debates of Evangelical Traditions of Men, and will ally myself with the hosts of heaven to pray for the conversion of Evangelical hetrodoxy to the orthodox teachings of Christ preserved in the entire deposit of faith in the Catholic Church, asking Mary, Mother of God, and all the saints to join with me in petitioning the throne of heaven in opening the hearts of the Protestant to the Truths of Christ. Or as the televangelists would say, “I rebuke you demons of Protestant mis-interpretation of the Scriptures, and attacks on the authentic Christ and His Church.”
For those here who are going to be unfamiliar with the comments I make below to Mr. Ron, I’d suggest you read, [u:1a9coxr1]Evangelical Is Not Enough[/u:1a9coxr1], and [u:1a9coxr1]The Spirit and Forms of Protestantism[/u:1a9coxr1], both written by former Anti-Catholics who make Mr? Ron look passive in his approach who also converted to the Christ and His Church. The difference between the above books and the postings by Mr. Ron here, is the men where trained and had advanced studies at Protestant Universities, where before their converson to the Faith honest and gave readers sources for their points of attack on the Catholic Church, and opened their souls to recieve Christ and become a follower of Christ and be recieved into the Church. There is also Karl Keatings [u:1a9coxr1]Catholic Answers[/u:1a9coxr1] web-site. Karl also being a former trubador against anything Catholic, who had the scales before his eyes removed, and read history from an honest no biased point of view, and came to the Church.
The above is a general note to any Evangelical Anti-Catholic. Now a personal note to Ron K a responso as it was his command to me, [quote:1a9coxr1]Mr. LARoberts – save it. You need it more for yourself![/quote:1a9coxr1]
I come from a Sephardic home, my father and grandfather led the same congregation for over 60 years. In my late teens as I was being groomed to take over my father’s pulpit, I was infludenced by the Evangelical Free Chruch and one Bart Brewer. Bart had been a Catholic priest, a Carmelite in fact. He “opened the eyes” of many an Evangelical Church by his seminars on the evils of the Catholic Church and the Pope. The problem with Bart and a whole slew of professinal Anti-Catholics is that they are poorly Bible based, (They do throw out a few stock Protestant phrases, much like yourself Mr. Ron) but spend most of the time bashing what they falsely accuse the Catholic Church of being. Bart and his friends made two fatal errors. They started misquoting the Hebrew Scriptures, as well as the Early Church Fathers in order to assert the claims they where making. This got me to study what the actual texts said. I read Josephus, and Philo, early Jewish historians and philosopers, who also wrote with contempt about the early Church, I read other non-catholic sources and anti catholic writings from the first four centuries, and found that rather than wash away the claims of the Catholic Church they confirmed that the practice and teachings of the Early Church where not protestant, but in fact what the Catholic Church teaches today. The second error was to think the sexual sins of their past, would not be found out and the fact they had been expelled from their orders would not come to light if they simply made an angry pre-emtive attack on the Church that had expelled them. As I have mentioned before, Mr. Ron, your anger and your comments are not remarkable, because they are not your own. You have allowed your mind and your soul to be turned over to the Hislops and Bottiners and other Anti-Catholic writers, who’s writings have not only be proved to be false and plagaristic, but your complete trust in them is revealed by the very style of your writing and almost word for word attacks. As Hislop and Bottiner have been proven time and time again to be blithering idiots who simply copied from other people, I for one would rather see some honest fresh arguments. It was the lies and fabrications of Anti-Catholics who slipped up by retelling old fables that could not be backed up historically combined with the Grace of God that brought me not simply to the door of the Catholic Church, but inside the fold. It was in the Catholic Church that I found the eternal Word of God, (Christ Jesus) as he had been preached from the time of the Apostles, rather than the false traditions of Man Jesus of the Protestants. Now I am not making any implication that Mr. Ron has any sexual pecadillos he is hiding, but I do assert that none of the ideas or calumnies he asserts against the Chruch are his own, none of them are inspired by the Spirit of Lite, but rather copied from men who have fallen into the Spirits of Anger and deception. Most of all that Mr. Ron’s eyes and soul seem to be shut tight, based on his knee jerk anti-catholic predigested, comments and his attempts to inject venom rather than to share the Good News of the authentic Christ Jesus. Mr. Ron reminds me of Saul before he converted and was baptized, (but Ron would put less importance on baptism than St. Paul who sought out the Sacrament after his eyes where opened) in Acts Chapter 8 [quote:1a9coxr1] Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples[/quote:1a9coxr1] I for one pray that like Saul he can become a Paul, Mr Ron will one day submit himself to the authentic Christ, and abandon his man made invention of the Protestant Christ.