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Benedict, You say that I lack context. You on the other hand talk out of both sides of your mouth. Such as 1st you say:
[quote:32glimlz][i:32glimlz]Romans 6 sets context for 7 and Romans 6 tells us that we are baptized into the death of Christ and rise with Him. Your earlier assertion that there can be no true perfection in these bodies is contradicted by passages such as Romans 6[/i:32glimlz][/quote:32glimlz]

Then you tell us:

2nd – [quote:32glimlz][i:32glimlz]I fully agree that we must contend with sin as long as we remain in these bodies. Until our physical death and resurrection, sin will beset us on all sides.[/i:32glimlz][/quote:32glimlz]

which is what I’ve been tell you all the while.
Then when I say about prayers to God alone – not to the dead
you say:

[quote:32glimlz][i:32glimlz]If I am praying for the dead, how am I not praying to God? You are objecting out of hand without considering what you are saying. [/i:32glimlz][/quote:32glimlz]

Have you who claims to use all of Scripture never read Exodus 20:5? –
[color=darkred:32glimlz][b:32glimlz]you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,[/b:32glimlz][/color:32glimlz] or [color=darkred:32glimlz][b:32glimlz]Exodus 34:14
(for you shall worship no other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God), or Job 37:14
“Listen to this, O Job;Stand still and consider the wondrous works of God.[/b:32glimlz][/color:32glimlz]

And then there is Isaiah 8:19 – ihe last part says [color=darkred:32glimlz][b:32glimlz]” should not a people seek their God? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living?”[/b:32glimlz][/color:32glimlz]

Oh but you’ll rest your thoughts on the fact that “God is a God of the living” which totally ignores the act that they are now physically dead
How can you that does this type of prayer, preach about context?

Then you say: [quote:32glimlz]we must be made perfect between the moment of death and our entering heaven. This process is called purgatory. Since the only way we can be made perfect is through the sacrifice of Christ, purgatory is just the application of that sacrifice through to its end – our perfection. [/quote:32glimlz]

Now tell me where do you get this garbage from? (And you never answeered that question)

As for your:
[quote:32glimlz]Are we ever made truly perfect? Not imputed as perfect, a dung heap beneath the snow or a screen of Christ standing before us, but actually perfect, cleansed and washed free of every stain and evil inclination?[/quote:32glimlz]
we are cleaned perfectly by His blood when we believe in the power of His blood shed for that purpose -totally not just covered just as Romans 4:4-8 tells us:
Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness
just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
Blessed is the man to whom the LORD shall not impute sin.”

Are we who believes in this Perfected at that point? Yes indeed as Scriptures tell us : [color=darkred:32glimlz][b:32glimlz]
Blessed is the man to whom the LORD shall not impute sin.”[a][/b:32glimlz][/color:32glimlz]