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Please Jon, not this:

[quote:2he7exqq]Ron wrote:
And I answered if you wanted to be correct then that is why you should check out whatever comes up with Scriptures – it God’s word

On whose authority is it God’s Word? If you say because the Bible says so then the same claim can be made for the Koran. If your only test to authority is because a book claims it then you lose all credibility.

Ron wrote:
We are told to pray to God alone – not to people that died and passed into Heaven or Hell. Isaiah 8:19 ends with the remark that we should not go to the dead but to God alone

The saints aren’t dead, they are alive in Heaven. They are members of the Body of Christ just like you and me. Only now they are completely with God while you and I are left to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.[/quote:2he7exqq]
1st ? – At least the Thessalonians got it right – (1Thes 2:13) -[color=red:2he7exqq]For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe. [/color:2he7exqq]

2nd statement – The saints aren’t dead in that sense – neither are those in Hell – we all are eternally presserved in Heaven or Hell – But physically they died from this life – so don’t play ignorance as you know what was meant by Isaiah’s remark!!!