Accipio: you said:
For someone who understands “better than you do….” concerning Catholicism, you sure manage to get wrong one of the fundemental ideas of Justification according to Catholic theology[/quote:3egutarg].
You may have the “official” teachings, for I’ve seen plenty of “both ways”
talk from your church. Most Catholics don’t even know what the “official”
teachings are from day to day. Your Catechism has the following in it:
[b:3egutarg]2027 No one can merit the initial grace which is at the origin of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods. [/b:3egutarg]
Bottom line is that they still think that “we are judged base on how good we are” and no matter what the “official” teaching such as you write:
NOTHING we do can cross the huge chasm that exist between God and his righteousness and us, OUTSIDE of God Himself moving us to do so and giving us the grace necessary to work WITH him to that end. [/quote:3egutarg]
would change their thinking.
but the idea of a Catholic believing they can “work” their way to heaven on their own merit is just plain heretical and belies a serious defect in understanding on the part of anyone (that would be non-Catholics, in this case) that would suggest that Catholics believe such a thing.[/quote:3egutarg]
Actions speak louder then words. – You go to a priest to recieve confession – and then do penances – all with the idea of removing sin at that point, your church teaches of a place called Purgatory – again to have sins removed so as to gain entrance into Heaven thinking that you would now be righteous enough. But you fall to place your faith in what Jesus did 2000 years ago to remove sins.
I think I make myself clear, don’t you?