I’m saying exactly what I said before. I do not deny that:

[color=olive:1frbupmi]2 Cor 5:17 – Therefore if any [b:1frbupmi]man is in Christ[/b:1frbupmi], {he is} a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.[/color:1frbupmi]

Can a man [b:1frbupmi]that is in Christ[/b:1frbupmi], seize to be in Christ in the future? If not, why not?

[color=olive:1frbupmi]John 10:28-And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.[/color:1frbupmi]

Same question, applies to this verse.

[color=olive:1frbupmi]John 2:19-They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. [/color:1frbupmi]

This verse is talking about people who never committed. It is rather irrelevant to what I am talking about. I speak of men who have truly committed but seized to be in Christ and lost salvation.

Let me give you a couple examples:

Luke 8:13 – Jesus teaches that some people receive the word with joy, but they have no root, believe for a while, and then fall away in temptation. They had the faith but they lost it.

Luke 15:11-32 ‚Äì in the parable of the prodigal son, we learn that we can be genuine sons of the Father, then leave home and die, then return and be described as “alive again.”

John 15:1-10 – we can be in Jesus (a branch on the vine), and then if we don’t bear fruit, are cut off, wither up and die. Paul makes this absolutely clear in Rom. 11:20-23.

Hopefully this will suffice.

Peace In Christ