[quote:1ayygw42]I can see that Jon is patient, no problem there. However it has been stated (correctly) that what I wrote above is correct in what Catholics are taught, so just where do you feel that I have failed so miserably?[/quote:1ayygw42]

This is a good turn. At least now you are asking.. ” title=”Wink” />
First you have misunderstood the accoplishments of Calvary as understood by us. How works are savific. How grace works. The list can go on and on. Nonetheless, if you have the desire and patience we can tackle every one slowly and clearly without being on attack mode.

~Victor