VICTOR SAYS:
[quote:3f5un93a]Just say what you believe and why. DO NOT claim to understand and know what we teach. You have failed miserably in this respect. Catholic theology is both simple and robust. [/quote:3f5un93a]

I can see that Jon is patient, no problem there. However it has been stated (correctly) that what I wrote above is correct in what Catholics are taught, so just where do you feel that I have failed so miserably?