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Ron, you are totally glossing over what I am pointing out to you and repeating the same gibberish over and over again which does not answer my charges.

The quote about Jesus fulfilling the law has nothing do with him saying whether we should follow it or not.

You also don’t sound very open to doing any research into this matter by saying you won’t learn anything new – that’s too bad. A closed mind and a closed heart won’t get us anywhere.

[b:3lcndh1k]Nothing I am saying is rejecting that Christ dies for our sins.[/b:3lcndh1k] I have never said anything to the contrary. Salvation (meaning going to heaven) is not guaranteed to us upon a one time profession of faith. The Bible says otherwise.

What sin issue am I ignoring? I also never said works remove sin. Hey, the only reason we can do anything is because of what Christ did for us. I don’t know how I can emphasize that any more. We agree on that, Ron.

What is sin, Ron? Would you agree that sin is a bad action done by us? Do you believe that once someone is saved (in your defintion) that he or she can sin after that point?

God judges us by our fruit. If we produce bad fruit – hell; if we produce good fruit – eternal life. But I am not saying that the production of good fruit is exclusive from having faith in Christ. Matthew tells us that. Faith and good fruits are necessary to get to heaven. Only the blood of Christ can cleanse our sins but we must respond to God and DO the will of the Father to get to heaven.

Jesus Christ came to redeem mankind – he opened the doorway to get to heaven. It’s our job to put our faith in Christ and to do the will of the Father – that’s a two-fold salvation. The Bible clearly states all this.