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"LARobert":3cne2v06 wrote:
I think where you may be getting things confused is if a Catholic attempts Marriage before a Justice of the Peace, or in a Non-Catholic Church (to a non-Catholic or a Catholic) the Church holds those marriages as invalid because the Catholic is obliged to follow Catholic Canon Law according to their Rite….
…As for two baptized Protestants who enter into Marriage, they are not under an obligation to follow Catholic Canon Law, and a Marriage in a Church or by a Justice of the Peace is seen as valid, inviolate and a Sacrament by the Catholic Church. At least according to the Canon Law Seminars that I attended a couple of years ago….
Hi rob,

[Apology I didn’t notice your prior post til after I posted this.]

A civil marriage ceremony, outside the Church is non Sacramental, The Church recognizes the commitment the couple has made to each other, but it does not recognize it as Sacramental.

You gonna have to show me the Canon on that.

I believe I found what your referring to:

found this looking up a reference in another forum:

Valid marriage between non-Catholics that are baptized is a real marriage and a real sacrament.

Can. 1055 §1. The matrimonial covenant, by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life and which is ordered by its nature to the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring, has been raised by Christ the Lord to the dignity of a sacrament between the baptized.

§2. For this reason, a valid matrimonial contract cannot exist between the baptized without it being by that fact a sacrament.

Can. 1108 §1. Only those marriages are valid which are contracted before the local ordinary, pastor, or a priest or deacon delegated by either of them, who assist, and before two witnesses according to the rules expressed in the following canons and without prejudice to the exceptions mentioned in cann. ⇒ 144, ⇒ 1112, §1, ⇒ 1116, and ⇒ 1127, §§1-2.

A local ordinary is a Church official of any faith… So why is it we see it as Sacramental, and they themselves claim it as ‘Civil’ ??

Martin Luther only Kept two Sacraments Baptism, and Communion.

Then there is this:

Bl. John Paul II’s Familiaris consortio:

“82. There are increasing cases of Catholics who for ideological or practical reasons, prefer to contract a merely civil marriage, and who reject or at least defer religious marriage. Their situation cannot of course be likened to that of people simply living together without any bond at all, because in the present case there is at least a certain commitment to a properly-defined and probably stable state of life, even though the possibility of a future divorce is often present in the minds of those entering a civil marriage. By seeking public recognition of their bond on the part of the State, such couples show that they are ready to accept not only its advantages but also its obligations. Nevertheless, not even this situation is acceptable to the Church.

The aim of pastoral action will be to make these people understand the need for consistency between their choice of life and the faith that they profess, and to try to do everything possible to induce them to regularize their situation in the light of Christian principle. While treating them with great charity and bringing them into the life of the respective communities, the pastors of the Church will regrettably not be able to admit them to the sacraments.”


This is way down the Document Part 4 of Part IV
So we say any ecclesiastical Marriage, is a Sacramental, while a cvil ceremony outside a church is not.

Then there is this:
Ecc 7:13 Consider the work of God; who can make straight what he has made crooked?

God bless,