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Wednesday, January 25, 2012
CATHOLIC DIOCESE OF SAN BERNARDINO CALIFORNIA: WHY DOES THE CHURCH EXPECT PRIESTS, NUNS AND DEACONS TO ASSUME THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE IS AN EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA OUTSIDE THE CHURCH NO SALVATION?

Does Theresa D. Montminy, Chancellor, Diocese of San Bernardino as a Catholic affirm the ‘rigorist interpretation’ of the dogma and also the possibility of persons being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire, since these cases are known only to God?

I have received an e-mail reply from the Catholic Diocese of San Bernardino, California. It’s in response to the post (1) which I sent to a quite a few people working in the diocese. Sister Elaine Ubelhor, OBL. OSB (2) has responded suggesting that my e-mail was not applicable to them but to the Archdiocese of Los Angeles.

I had already sent it to the Archdiocese of Los Angeles and have received no reply.

This is a general Catholic issue and applies also to the Diocese of San Bernardino in California.

The Deacons in San Bernardino know that there is no known case of a person saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance. Since we do not know any explicit case, Deacon Ed Clark, Director, Permanent Diaconate, San Bernardino,(3) could agree, that the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance are not exceptions to the dogma.

For it to be an exception to the centuries old interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus it would have to be known to the deacons, priests and Sr. Elaine Ubelhor at San Bernardino.

Deacon F. Michael Jelley, Department Director and Vice Chancellor, Ecclesial Services in the diocese would know that neither does Vatican Council II state that we explicitly know these cases or that they are an exception to the dogma. The Church has not retracted this dogma defined three times.

Maria G. Covarrubias, Director, Catechetical Ministry Office, San Bernardino Catholic Church (5) could clarify if the Catechism of the Catholic Church refers to explicitly known baptism of desire and invincible ignorance.

Would Sr. Sarah Shrewsbury, Director of the Vocations Office in the diocese of San Bernardino (6) expect candidates with a religious vocation to say there are visible cases of baptism of desire and it is possible to know non Catholics in the present time saved in invincible ignorance or with a good conscience?

Does Theresa D. Montminy, Chancellor, Diocese of San Bernardino (7) as a Catholic affirm the ‘rigorist interpretation’ of the dogma and also the possibility of persons being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire, since these cases are known only to God?

Would a community of Fr. Leonard Feeney like the one in Los Angeles, who affirm the centuries old interpretation of the dogma, that of the saints and Church Fathers, and who also accept the baptism of desire in principle, be accepted in San Bernardino by Bishop Gerald R. Barnes?
-Lionel Andrades

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TUESDAY, JANUARY 24, 2012
WHY DOES THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN CALIFORNIA EXPECT FR.LEONARD FEENEY’S COMMUNITY TO ASSUME THAT THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE IS AN EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA OUTSIDE THE CHURCH NO SALVATION?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com … rnnia.html

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Dear Mr. Andrades,

Your email has reached the Diocese of San Bernardino which is a separate entity from the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. Please forward your email to the Archdiocese of Los Angeles at [email protected].

Thank you!

Elaine Ubelhor, Obl.OSB
Administrative Assistant
Diocese of San Bernardino
Communications Department
Office of Information Services
Ph: 909-475-5415
Fax: 909-475-5357
[email protected]

3.

Deacon Ed Clark, Director
e-mail: [email protected]
909-475-5162 909-475-5162

4.

Deacon F. Michael Jelley, Department Director
e-mail: [email protected]
(909) 475-5119 (909) 475-5119

5.

Maria G. Covarrubias, Director
(909) 475-5452 (909) 475-5452
Cell Phone: (909) 266-6185 (909) 266-6185
e-mail: [email protected]

6.
Sr. Sarah Shrewsbury, Director
[email protected]
(909) 783-1305 (909) 783-1305

7.

Theresa D. Montminy, Chancellor
email: [email protected]
909-475-5100 909-475-5100