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[quote:27q0qn61]While one house was indeed received, with the understanding that holding the extreme position of Extra Ecclesia is permitted of Catholics as long as it is not proclaimed as Dogmatic, but one of the Theological Opinions permitted on the subject[/quote:27q0qn61]
What would you say is the extreme position of[i:27q0qn61] extra ecclesiam nulla salus [/i:27q0qn61]permitted of Catholics ?
I am a lay Catholic and not a member of any of Fr. Leonard Feeney’s communities.
I believe in the ‘dogma’, the ‘infallible teaching’ that Pope Pius XII mentioned in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.I agree with the dogma Cantate Domino, Council of Florence that every one with no exception needs to enter the Church for salvation. This was also what was taught by Fr. Leonard Feeney. I agree with the popes and saints who held the same view. They all knew for centuries that extra ecclesiam nulla salus was dogmatic.

I agree that there can be people saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire. However I believe that this is irrelevant to the dogma or the issue. I said I believe in the baptism of desire etc since this was made an issue by the Archbishop of Boston and the Jesuits.

No one knows a single case of a person saved with the baptism of desire etc and there is no magisterial text, including Vatican Council II which states that these cases are exceptions defacto to any Church teaching or the dogma. The Church is the only Ark of Salvation (CCC 845) and the baptism of desire etc are not exceptions.

Fr. William Most assumed that those saved with the baptism of desire etc are known to us and so are an exception to the dogma. This is irrational. It is also heresy implying that the dogma has defacto exceptions. EWTN, Catholic Culture’s Jeff Mirus, Michael Mazza have used the errors, the wrong assumption of Fr. William Most. Please see links for details.

[b:27q0qn61]Probably the bishop of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary makes the same error as Fr. William Most.[/b:27q0qn61]

It is important that the Slaves in LA recognize that finally the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance are not an issue related to this subject.

We can interpret the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 with a defacto-dejure, explicit-implicit, in theory-in practice analysis. If we do not use this analysis then we violate the Principle of Non Contradiction as does Fr. William Most.

Would you have the e-mail contact number of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary in LA? Probably they do not have one.
Lionel

[b:27q0qn61]MSGR.JOSEPH FENTON AND FR. WILLIAM MOST DID NOT NOTICE THE RICHARD CUSHING ERROR
Informed Catholics still assume that the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance are exceptions to the dogma outside the church no salvation and to Vatican Council II (LG 14,AG 7)[/b:27q0qn61]
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com … iam%20Most

[b:27q0qn61]IN ANALYSING THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 YOU ARE USING A DEFACTO-DEJURE ANALYSIS OR A DEFACTO-DEFACTO ANALYSIS.WHETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT YOUR USING ONE OF THE TWO [/b:27q0qn61]http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/in-analysing-letter-of-holy-office-1949.html

[b:27q0qn61]CONFUSION OVER THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 [/b:27q0qn61]http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/confusion-over-letter-of-holy-office.html

[b:27q0qn61]REMEMBER THAT THE REPORT BY FR.WILLIAM MOST ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS NOT THE OFFICIAL TEACHING OF THE CHURCH: IT CONTAINS ERRORS AND HERESY [/b:27q0qn61]http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/remember-that-report-by-frwilliam-most.html

[b:27q0qn61]CARDINAL RATZINGER DID NOT VIOLATE THE PRINCIPLE OF NON CONTRADICTION AS CATHOLICS UNITED FOR THE FAITH IMPLY [/b:27q0qn61]http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/cardinal-ratzinger-did-not-violate

[b:27q0qn61]Trinity Communications of Jeff Mirus and Catholic Culture is a legal entity that is spreading falsehood about the Catholic Faith.[/b:27q0qn61]http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/search/label/Jeff%20Mirus

[b:27q0qn61]ETERNAL WORD TELEVISION NETWORK (EWTN) SAYS ‘SUBMISSION TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND THE SOVEREIGN PONTIFF IS NECESSARY FOR SALVATION’ [/b:27q0qn61]http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/search/label/EWTN