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Hail Mary? Why Not Hail Jesus?

One thing that many people find difficult to understand about the Catholic Church is the Church’s emphasis on Mary. Why would we say “Hail Mary” and pray the Rosary when we could be talking to Jesus? Doesn’t that go against the meaning of the Gospels, where we learn that we must love Jesus above all else? Why should we have such a prayer to Mary?

Why Do Catholics Say ‘Hail Mary’?

The phrase “Hail Mary” is actually biblical! Take a look at Luke 1:28. The following are various renderings from various translations of the Bible:

And coming to her, he said, “Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.” – NAB

The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.” – NIV

And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. – KJV

And coming in, he said to her, “Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you.” – NASB

And he came to her and said, Hail, O favored one [endued with grace]! The Lord is with you! Blessed (favored of God) are you before all other women! – Amplified

There are common themes among the various translations. Let’s compare.

It seems that the spoken part by the angel Gabriel starts off with a greeting – “Hail” in some translations “Greetings” in others. The Latin word for this is “Ave.” In the original Greek, the word is “Chaire,” which is a common greeting in Greek. Each translator (or group of translators) translates the original text into English based on his or her preferences and the needs of the audience. For example, “hail” is not a typical greeting people use today, so many newer translations use the word “greetings” instead.

As with any translation, translating different words can have slightly different connotations. Saying “hail” to someone seems more formal than saying “greetings.” But the term “Hail Mary” is not an attempt to elevate Mary above Jesus. It is simply that when we speak to Mary, as the angel Gabriel did, we greet her by name.

How is Mary “Full of Grace”?

We see in that same verse that Gabriel calls Mary highly favored (by God). Another translation we might see is “full of grace.” That means that the first part of the Hail Mary, “Hail Mary, full of grace,” is straight from the Bible. The word Gabriel uses in Greek is kecharitomene, from a verb meaning “to give grace.” Here a little Greek lesson is in order. This is a perfect passive participle. Passive means that something is done to the person. So Mary is not giving grace to someone else. Instead, she is given grace. The perfect tense denotes past action. In Greek, there are several past tenses. The perfect tense denotes past action with continuing effects in the present. So what Gabriel is saying to Mary is that she was given grace in the past and the grace she was given continues with her to the present time.

This is where Catholics find biblical evidence for the Immaculate Conception. Mary is uniquely graced from the very beginning of her life and maintains that grace throughout her entire life.

We also see in Luke 1:42 Elizabeth addresses Mary, saying, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.” Again, this is directly found in the Hail Mary. It is becoming clear that the Hail Mary does not contradict the Gospel message. Instead, it is a profoundly biblical prayer.

But why is Mary holy or favored?

Mary is considered of such high favor with God and Elizabeth recognizes that she is special because of Jesus. She is blessed because the fruit of her womb is blessed. Mary was chosen to bear Jesus by God, so God singled her out from many, many other women on the planet. Elizabeth recognized that she was bearing the son of God and so recognized that she was special. In fact, the Church teaches that Mary was immaculately conceived because of her mission to bear Jesus in her womb. It was a grace given to her because of her connection to Jesus.

Why is Mary mentioned so much?

Without Mary’s free acceptance of her calling from God we would not have Jesus in human flesh. Also, the fact that Scripture refers to her in such a special way is good enough reason to talk about her. Even so, Mary is not the core component of faith. The core of Catholicism is Jesus, not Mary. If anyone puts Mary before Jesus, that person is not following the Church’s teaching about Mary.

However, we cannot simply neglect Mary. She plays an integral role in the redemption of the world. She said yes, and because of her “yes,” Jesus was born and redeemed us. One cannot simply talk about Jesus without being grateful to his mother.

Catholics do not put Mary on par with God; we just recognize the role she played in Christian history. Mary is certainly worthy of reverence, but not worship.

The Hail Mary is not a prayer of worship, but it is a recitation of Scripture and then an asking of her to pray for us to God; much like asking our other Christian brothers and sisters to pray for us.

Does Mary distract us from Jesus?

You might ask, “Why bother honoring Mary when we could be praying directly to Jesus?” Even so, when we ask people on earth to pray for us, no one says, “Why do you ask people to pray for you when you could pray directly to Jesus?” We recognize that when other people pray for us, it helps us grow closer to Jesus. Praying to Mary is not a substitute for prayer to Jesus. Instead, we ask Mary to pray for us, for who can better intercede for us that someone who is so close to Jesus?

Furthermore, Mary always points to Jesus. John 2:1-11 tells the story of the wedding feast at Cana. John mentions that Mary was at the wedding, and “Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding” (2:2). This implies that Mary was the primary guest, and Jesus was invited because he was connected to Mary. Likewise, when we invite Mary into our lives, she always brings Jesus with her.

When Mary becomes aware that the bride and groom have run out of wine, she immediately intercedes for the couple, bringing their problem to Jesus. She tells the servants, “Do whatever he tells you” (2:5). Likewise, Mary always tells us to do what Jesus tells us, and she brings Jesus to us so we can hear his voice telling us what to do.

Mary does not distract from Jesus at all! She always points to Jesus and brings Jesus to us, just as she brought Jesus into the world by saying yes to God’s invitation to bear Jesus in her womb.

497 thoughts on “Hail Mary? Why Not Hail Jesus?”

  1. Catholics do Serve God. People who are not catholics here just talk without understanding:
    Everything Catholics Pray about is in the Bible and is BIBLICAL:
    i) Praying to the Saints – Because in Ephesians 6:18 Paul Instructs:-Pray at all times in the Spirit, with all PRAYER and making Supplication for all the SAINTS, and for me.
    I Corinthians 6:2, 16:1 Do you not know that the SAINTS will judge the world? Jude 1:9 .. appealing to you to contend for the faith which was once and for all delivered to the SAINTS.
    In Revelations 5:8 Elders in Heaven before the LAMB (Christ)have the prayers of the saints Revelations 8:4 Smokes of incense which are prayers of the saints. Also for intercessory prayers there is one Mediator between God & Man in Romans 16:15 Saints are in Heaven and on Earth and do pray to each other.
    A Woman is the mother of a child either by virtue of she bearing him/her in her womb or contributing half of his genetic composition of the baby or by the virtue of adoption. Mary was the mother of Jesus . Roman 1:3 Jesus descended from David according to the flesh… That’s why Jesus is referred to as Son of David! Read also Matthew 1:1-16 Accounts for the Generations of Jesus and Mary thus and Jacob the father of the Husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ. This is in the Bible. Rev. 12:17“(And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”) . Mary is the Mother of those who keep God’s commandments and bear witness to Jesus And with her enemy the Marine Kingdom with their headquarters in the Sea Shore. This simply means that Mary is the mother of all True Christian. 2 John 1:2 “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.” If the Mother of John who has double the anointing of Elijah could call Mary Mother of Lord in Luke 1:43“ And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?”
    ALSO Luke 1:31-33. (31) “And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.” (32)“He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:”(33)“And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.”

  2. You say Hail Mary is biblical. You say the Catholic Church is not putting her on the same level as God. So lets look at the scriptures you are using.

    Luke 1:28 KJV – And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
    Luke 1:42 KJV – And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

    Yes it is true that in Luke 1:28 the Angel came to Mary and said hail Mary. But hail is a form of greeting. Yes the Angel told Mary she was highly favored. And the lord was with her. And she was blessed.
    In Luke 1:42 Elizabeth said to Mary she was Blessed among women and Blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

    Now in your sub-chapter Why is Mary mentioned so much. You made the statement “The core of Catholicism is Jesus, not Mary. If anyone puts Mary before Jesus, that person is not following the Church’s teaching about Mary”. “Catholics do not put Mary on par with God”. “The Hail Mary is not a prayer of worship, but it is a recitation of Scripture and then an asking of her to pray for us to God; much like asking our other Christian brothers and sisters to pray for us”.

    Now in your Sub-Chapter Does Mary distract us from Jesus. You made the following statement. “You might ask, “Why bother honoring Mary when we could be praying directly to Jesus?” Even so, when we ask people on earth to pray for us, no one says, “Why do you ask people to pray for you when you could pray directly to Jesus?” We recognize that when other people pray for us, it helps us grow closer to Jesus. Praying to Mary is not a substitute for prayer to Jesus. Instead, we ask Mary to pray for us, for who can better intercede for us that someone who is so close to Jesus?”

    you also stated “Mary does not distract from Jesus at all! She always points to Jesus and brings Jesus to us, just as she brought Jesus into the world by saying yes to God’s invitation to bear Jesus in her womb.”

    now lets talk Bible. In the two Scriptures that you used for hail Mary and about mary being blessed among women Luke1:28,42.. never stated that we are to say hail Mary. As a prayer. And you never used any Bible verse of Jesus telling us to say hail Mary.

    Furthermore you said you don’t put her on the same level as God. That she is not a substitute for Jesus. And the prayer is not a prayer of worship. But to pray top her. So she can pray to God for you. I hate to tell you but you are wrong. None of that is Biblical.

    When you pray to anyone but God. You are breaking the first two of the Ten Commandments. Here are the ten Commandments.

    1. you shall have no other Gods before me
    2. you shall not make idols
    3. you shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain
    4. Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy
    5. Honor your father and mother
    6. you shall not murder
    7. you shall not commit adultery
    8. you shall not steal
    9. you shall not bear false wittiness against your neighbor
    10. you shall not covet

    because you prayer to Mary. You have turned Mary into a god. And it is also a form of idol worship. And God told us when you break one of the Ten Commandments you have broken them all. So you are treating Mary as a god. And put her on the Same level as God.
    you are substituting Mary for Jesus. Because when you prayer to her to pray to God. You are substituting her for Jesus. Mary can not pray to God for you.
    Because in 1st Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. Now Jesus said in John 14:13-14 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
    14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
    You can plainly see that you cannot ask Mary to pray for you on your behalf. Because she she is a human not a god. She is dead and the dead cannot pray for you. And if it was so that you could pray to Mary so she could pray for God would have told us. Jesus would have told us. And there for it would be in the Bible. But it is not. So there for it is not Biblical.
    What this called is relativism. You are making the scriptures say what you want them to say. So it can fit your point of view. This is dangerous teaching. Teaching stuff like this will send someone to hell when they die. Unless you see the light now. Your on the road to damnation.
    This is the path to salvation. You have to understand that you are sinning. Paul of Tarus in Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. So the law show us our sin.

    So what is salvation. Salvation is to be born again. Salvation. Is not by works. Salvation is through faith and grace. Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3 that a man had to be born again of water and the spirit. To enter the kingdom of heaven.

    To have salvation. You must first repent. That means the law showed you your sin. Your heart was convicted by the the Holy Ghost. Then under conviction by the Holy Ghost you had a humble heart and confused to God. You need to remember no one can say the sinner prayer for you. Because 1 Timothy 2:5 told us there is no mediator for us but Chirst. So with a humble heart convicted by the Holy Ghost. You confused your sins to God and said the sinners prayer. In the name of Jesus. Understanding the sacrifice Christ made on the cross. And understanding his resurrection. By Faith and Grace not by works. God has forgiven your sin. And there for you have been saved.

    Now I understand that the first sacrament is baptize. Let me ask you was thief on the cross was he baptized when he found salvation. No he was not because there was no time. Baptism is a outer confusion of the inner works of the Holy Ghost. Remember the Holy Ghost used the law to show you your sin. And convicted you to humble yourself to God to confuse your sin. And state the sinner prayer. And then you get baptized.

    Look at this scripture Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. And there are many more scriptures that say repent and then be baptized. Even John the baptist said repent for your sins. Then they were baptized.

    So you do not have to be baptized to be saved. You do not use baptism as a act of salvation. Saying it is the first requirement. That is making salvation and act of works. Which is wrong that adding to the finished works of salvation of Jesus. Salvation is by faith and grace. Not works then grace. How can a telling a kid that the first sacarament is baptism. The child is not at the age of accountability to understand good from evil. Therefore if the child is not at the age of accountability the child cannot make the choice to follow Christ. And the kid would not even understand what baptism even means nor truly understand what salvation means.

    So being baptized is not the the first requirement for salvation. and praying to marry is not biblical. This is dangerous teaching. You need to understand the whole Bible and not use relativism to make the Bible fit what you want it to say. God bless you and have a blessed day.

  3. Hebrews 9:27 “And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,…”. Mary included. So we don’t recite wrote prayer to the dead…we grow in living relationship with Jesus. I think Mary would be appalled that anyone not go to her son first and foremost. It’s the Holy Spirit that guides us into all truth….that is part of God 3 in one which is Jesus. Mary said, “Do whatever HE tells you”….why don’t y’all honor THAT. Jesus taught us in parables so we need to put everything into context…could u image sitting next to someone that repeats the same thing over n over n ignores you? Seems psychotic. Jesus promises to indwell us via the Holy Spirit…to be with us to the end of the age… So THINK about Him sitting rt there w you and wondering when the idle wrote prayer will end so He can actually commune w you? Mary is awesome, but she points to Jesus….in honoring Him first and foremost we are honoring her.

  4. For the person who says that Mary should be hailed…I say to please read the entire bible and Do what the Lord says in how to honor.

    Idolatry has always been a major sin. No where does it imply to have Mary send our prayers to her….the bible says to pray for one another –not to pray to a person who is no longer on earth. Mary was a 100 percent human being—she was not all god or half god —The bible says that all fall short……..no one is perfect, that means that only God- Jesus is perfect and omnipotent……….Mary cannot hear the prayers to all because God mentioned to use one another to pray —that is what God says to do in the bible. God says many times in scriptures to use Jesus as an intercessor…………only him.

    The enemy is a liar and uses the lies to minimize Jesus…………..no one, no one can occupy his role……….

    Also, Sculpture is clear…………..Mary had other children after the birth of Jesus. The bible refers to breather and brothers at the same time. If you need to see the truth further in the Word of God, write to me instead.
    Do not follow man’s teachings. and follow what God says to do.

  5. I really don’t care about your reply to this post

    The replies though….I’m a proud catholic, I Honour Mary, I Hail Mary because the LORD IS WITH HER and BLESSED IS SHE AMONG WOMEN and BLESSED IS THE FRUITH OF HER WOMB JESUS and of course for her to PRAY FOR ME as I pray for myself and I ask my earthly parents and friends to pray for me also, NOW AND THE HOUR OF MY DEATH.

    Pls, Jesus never asked us to do his work, he only employed us to bring more souls to him, so why then do we judge???, judge not so you won’t be judged, it’s so funny how whenever I go to Pentecostal churches, they are so caught up in judging Catholics that they forget they need to worship YAHWEH but when I go to Catholic Church, we don’t retaliate, it used to annoy me but now, I understand. Not everything in this world will please everyone.

    Just live a good life, believe in what you believe in, win souls to Christ but don’t judge, on the last day, Jesus will do the judging for us, I have no bible scriptures to quote because the bible Is quiet confusing as the English they used to speak around A.D, B.C period. Either way, I know one thing just live a good life and if you feel Catholics are going in the wrong direction why not pray for us?? Instead of judging us, where will that get you? After all Jesus employed us to pray for those that hate us and sinners.


    We will all be judged on the last day, whether we Honored or worshipped Mary, whether We Worshipped God or Idols

    We all will be judged and who will have the last laugh??

    1. Thank you dear Catholic brother/sister. GLORY TO JESUS, HONOR TO MARY. I thank God from the bottom of my heart that I belong to the Catholic faith. So very proud of it. All glory to God our Heavenly Father.

    2. Gary Westgerdes

      Jesus suffered and died for our sins, for those who believed in Him and chose to follow Him He told to carry their cross for they to would suffer and die for their faith. Do you remember that many of the apostles were killed for their faith and also many Christians lost their lives for the first 300 some years. Jesus said go to the cities and share the gospel if they do not receive you shake the dust off your feet and move on because they will be fried like sodom and gomorrah. In order for a person to be able to pray to Mary she would have to have the same attributes as God: all knowing, all powerful, etc. Give up Mary because God will have the last laugh and if you check out Psalm 2 you will see that He is already laughing.
      When I first seriously read the bible I could understand the parts that pointed to me as a hell bound sinner, but when I kept searching God revealed His salvation through faith in Jesus, just as John 3:16 says. Read it, if you are truly seeking the Holy Spirit will open your heart and eyes to the truth.

      1. According to your interpretation of the bible we are all going to Hell because just living a normal life goes against the bible. If you have a nine to five job, a mortgage, and a family, you’re not going from city to city spreading the Gospel. Be in the world but not of it. Why are we not screaming Hell is real from the rooftops then? Just working all day and plugging along like every other sap in this world.

    3. I’m a 17 year old boy. I know that seriously lowers the credibility of my comment, but hear me out. I’m Presbyterian, but I was raised in an ecumenical setting, and many of my closest friends are catholic. I don’t believe in all of the things they do, for example, I don’t personally believe that asking Mary to pray for me holds any more weight with God than asking my dad (someone who I respect more than anyone else) to pray for me. In my opinion, that’s because even though Mary is holy and incredibly loved by God, Christ’s death and ressurection made us all holy as long as we believe in Christ as our one and only savior, and God already loves us infinitly. But that being said, I don’t see why asking Mary for intercession is a sin. The Hail Mary comes from the bible (mostly from Mary’s conversations with Gabriel as I understand), and if the great majority if Catholics here say that the hail Mary is not a prayer but a plea for prayer, than I believe them.

      I came to this page simply because I was curious about some of the Catholic traditions that I’m unfamiliar with. But here I am, scrolling through this comment section and all I see is accusations of slander and herasy being thrown back and forth. If this the example that Christ set? I’m personally massively disappointed and frankly embarrased in the image that this page gives Christianity. I’ve lived my whole (addmitedly short) life respecting the fact that Catholics believe and worship one God and only one. I have yet to meet a repectable Catholic who hasn’t given their life fully to God much as I, a protestant have. I think that all denominations have mistakes in their beliefs or in their past. Nobody is perfect. But I fully expect to see every one of my Catholic brothers and sisters in heaven, simply because of the fact that they believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

      I would encourage you all to try to find a number of people from other denominations and take some time to worship with them, acknowledging the fact that your beliefs are different, but having comfort in the fact that you all believe in Jesus Christ as your one and only path to heaven. I think that you will be surprised to find that your not as different as you think you are. ?

      1. Just because they believe doesn’t mean you will see them in heaven? In the bible it says even Satan and his demons believe. Faith without works is dead.There are wolves hiding in sheep clothes so this should give you a understanding that we shouldn’t follow every belief.Satan can appear as an angel of light so it’s reasonable to say their are false teachings and beliefs that mislead us from the truth. Thats why we must read the bibles for ourselves because it is the truth.

    4. ( Protestant) We’re not judging we’re telling the truth ,they’re is no need to pray to a dead person ,Mary will not give you good health, she will not give you blessings and she will not move you closer to god because she dead,she is not divine in anyway ,she is just a human like us, and this is not the only false teachings in the catholic church ,there’s more but I’m not going to talk about the other ones useless you want be to.

    5. The woman did not want to be stoned to death, of course Joe didn’t want that either…a perfect lie was born, and much blood was shed and many many died and suffered for it. Many suffered for not agreeing to add coin to the church and many more died very brutal deaths simply for not sharing the same belief…still today, non-christains are been prosecuted in many ways and settings. Where is god who swore that he would care for us like the birds of the field? Well, ask the birds, no one is “providing for them”. Time to wake up and take responsibility for yourself — not rely on a lie.

    6. “The church teaches that SHE was immaculately conceived” …then the church is wrong because she was NOT immaculately conceived. And why do they pray to her? Jesus is the mediator between God and man. Asking Mary to pray for us would be no different than asking any other dead person to pray for us…they are dead. I am not downplaying Mary’s role in the birth of Jesus Christ, she was obviously a devout and spiritual woman for God to have chosen her to give birth to His only begotten Son, but she is not to be reverenced or prayed to, she is “asleep” waiting for the second return of Christ and the “dead/asleep” can answer no one’s prayers.

  6. The fact that the Catholic Church “honors” Mary, but does not worship her! Why did God choose Mary? Because she is special, that’s why..

    1. Mary was not chosen by God because she is special. She is special because God chose her, it’s a bit different.
      Jesus himself said:
      Luke 11:27-28 (NIV)
      27 As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.”
      28 He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”

      Deuteronomy 4:15-18 (NIV)
      15 You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below.

  7. Noah was also favored by God and was obedient to God and made a boat and preached and repopulated the earth .but should we say hail Noah.no Jesus is the name above all names and Jesus is the only way to the father God.Mary is dead and one day she will bow down like me and say Jesus is Lord.focus on God the God head father ,Jesus and the Holy Spirit .the bible says Jesus is the way the truth and the life nobody comes to the father but through Jesus.and it also says the Jesus is the great high priest that we take our confession too.not a earthly priest but Jesus that layed his life down that you may have life.

    1. The Bible does say not to pray to the dead. I don’t know what to believe about all of this. I was raised Catholic and have been Pentecostal for a while. I’m very confused. The Bible can be a very confusing book. But I pray straight to Jesus. If Mary was human like the rest of us, she is waiting to be resurrected after the second coming. I really hope there are good Catholic’s that are truly saved because my Grandfather was a Deacon at the church and a very devout Catholic. He read his bible often. Howard Storm a near death experiencer said that when he met Jesus in Heaven he was told that there are good people in bad religions and bad people in good religions. So I’m hoping that we will all have a chance to be saved no matter what religion we practice as long as we believe in Jesus.

    2. To Jean, Protestants claim to be so smart but don’t know the simple difference between worship and reverence,,worship and honor :
      If Mary is dead ! ! ! That means that the Woman who bore the Son of God ; who was the ark of the NEW COVENANT which God choose to come through her Immaculate , now God could of come on his own but choose Mary . Are you kidding she’s dead ? That means you are dead because if you don’t believe she’s in Heaven a WOMAN more pure that any women who ever live , then you got no chance of entering heaven.

    3. Hi Jean, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I’m not the smartest person in the world, but the Bible wasn’t inspired for only the smartest. It was a gift for common man. For all to understand by reading and by revelation through and by Jesus Christ, our Lord.

      I have tried with an open mind to understand the Catholics praying to Mary. At the end of all my queries and conversations and reading, my personal conclusion, is this:

      If I were alien to earth, and I came and asked what Christianity is, and where do I go for tangible understanding, .. a person could NOT tell me to “read the Bible, AND go to a Catholic Church”. The two cannot simultaneously exist. I would walk away confused and with the idea that only one of those things could be true, either the Bible, or the Catholic Church. The two are in such contradiction that it seems to me, to be lunacy that Catholics profess to believe the Holy Word. Because the Holy Word instructs them to NOT do, exactly what they are doing. It seems so obvious and blatant, to me. I’m not judging them though. We all fall short. I read another msg further down I think suggesting praying for them like anyone else. That sounds right, loving. Thank you to that other person, that was wise thinking. We are all just a bunch of fallen and redeemed. Let’s help each other not to stumble. Catholics… stop listening to your earthly priests, and just read the Bible. Either Jesus the Christ is enough, or he is not. Either the Holy word is Holy or it is not. You can’t pray to anyone other than God AND say that only Jesus Christ holds the keys to life and death. That ONLY Jesus Christ is the way to the Father. That the veil has come down so that you have direct access! Either the Word is living, or it is not. Either He has come in the flesh, or he hasn’t.

    4. I have fully received the Holy Spirit and it has resulted in me honouring Mary and worshiping Jesus more than ever. If you would be the perfect disciple then honour Mary who always points to her Son. I shall pray for you all.

    5. Noah did not bare the Son of God did he, what a stupid comparison! mmmmm for such a Christian you don’t know Scripture! Christ is the High Priest and he told the Apostles to go out in his name and forgive sins!!! If you are going to attack the first Church the true Church of Christ at least know what you are talking about!!! Is there anything else I can school you in?!

  8. Mary the Blessed Virgin is the mother of Jesus. She is called Mother of God because Jesus is a part of the Holy Trinity and because she is a godly person.
    If there are people who do not want to honor her with regard to her role given down by God then so be it. She will always be called blessed and will always be the mother of Jesus even if half the world stands on their heads.
    For those who honor her with devotion their lives on earth will be blessed and after that eternally blessed.
    Only fools argue and idiots scream.

  9. The role of Mary in the Catholic Church can best be demonstrated by a prayer we say in mass, the Confidiator: “I confess to almighty God, and to you, my brothers and sisters, that I have sinned through my own fault, in my thoughts and in my words, in what I have done, and in what I have failed to do; and I ask blessed Mary, ever virgin, all the angels and saints, and you, my brothers and sisters, to pray for me to the Lord our God.”

  10. For you all arguing: Whether you are Catholic or Protestant, so long as you are a child of God, you worship God and do His will, YOU are automatically (whether you like it or not) a child or Mary; this means THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY is also your MOTHER as She is the Mother of Christ… News Flash: I’m not the one saying or imposing this. You should really study your Bible and not just read it. Try studying Revelation 12:17; better still, start from verse 1 so that you’d get a clearer picture.


    1. Amen Mike. We all became children of our beloved Mother Mary, when at the foot of the Cross, our Lord Jesus entrusted His Mother to John and John to His Mother.

      Catholic Study Bible
      John 19:26-27
      26 When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!”
      27 Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.

  11. 1Timothy 2:5 emphatically states there is one mediator between God and men–Christ Jesus. In other words, Not Joseph Smith (Mormons), Not Charles Russel (Jehova Witness), Not Ellen White (Seven Day Adventists), and not Mary the mother of Jesus (Catholics). All of the above religions claim that there is another mediator other than Jesus. Am I missing something here, or is the bible a lie?

    1. James MacDonald

      Respectfully, you are missing something here. Jesus Christ is indeed the only mediator between God and humankind, but a mediator in what sense? Jesus is the only mediator for our sins because He has interceded on our behalf, between God and humanity. This is what 1 Timothy 2:5 is talking about. It is not referring to “mediator” in the sense that He is the only one who can give us messages from God. After all, if this were the case, one would have to throw out the Bible as it was written by other men and not Jesus. The Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Seventh-day Adventists believe that God inspired their respective founders/leaders to relay messages from God to them. There is no blasphemy here (for the first three churches you mentioned, at least)

      1. 1 Timothy 2:5 is certainly one of the most straightforward verses in the bible. If this verse can be twisted and wiggled, then the words of the bible are worthless. If a person reading the bible cannot trust the simple words of this verse, then I see no reason to trust the bible or any words in it. No small wonder that so many people are turned off by religion. A mediator is a “go-between”. Jesus is the only go-between. To call on Mary, or any other citizen in heaven, is to attribute them power not of their authority. Sorry, but I find no such authority in scripture. That is, not without twisting another verse or verses, which I am certain is about to happen.

        1. I remember vivdly that the christain religion is all about applying the words of the bible tour daily lives this is where Mary comes you Jesus knew practically everything that was going to happen so he just let them happen like the time of the wedding at Canaan where the wine was finished, the servants went to Mary to help with the situation now instead of Jesus knowing already that his mother would make him perform a miracle when it was not yet his time to,to excuse himself from the reception in other for him not to break the rules which would still be like a sin but he knew already so it was not a sin because he was following the rules technically that God had sent him to do so this is where Mary comes in as and interceder she begged him for the sake of the party and to avoid disgrace and Jesus knowing already what must be done so Mary is like a mother figure to us she has no power other than being the chaste mother of Jesus lwhich also makes her technically the queen of heaven because Jesus is the king of heaven and earth…correct me if I am wrong

        1. First of all the Virgin Mary is a created being and Jesus Christ never ceased to be God. Mary gave the physical body or human personage of Jesus when He was physically born. We are not to pray to created beings. If you hail Mary why not hail Moses, hail Paul, hail Samuel or your Uncle Harry. When the disciples asked Jesus how to pray He never said pray the Rosary or pray to the saints, all who are created beings. Remember, they had to have a savior too. We are to pray to Father God in the name of Jesus Christ. I’m not sure if praying the Rosary not is not found in the Bible, and is repetitious and almost becomes like a club vice church thing where members obey the established rules of the club or organization and not the Bible alone and in its entirety. It’s amazing how much the churches (local congregations) have become corrupt, disobeying the Lord and establishing their own rules. It’s the spiritual church the Lord speaks of in the Bible.

        2. Catholics believe in the Holy Trinity, which entails that Jesus and God are one in the same, just as God is also the Holy Spirit. So we do believe Mary to be the mother of God.

        3. God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. All God. God is capitalized too. God Bless You. Feel to free to know, love and serve God differently.

    2. When you were a child, have you never asked your mother to intercede with your father for some favor for you? When I was a ‘teen, I would ask my mum to ‘intercede’ with dad when I wanted extra leeway for example … stay out extra late or stay over at a friends or go on a school trip, that’s the idea of Catholics going to Mary. She’s our mum 🙂 … plus God says ‘I love you with a mothers love’

      1. I respect the Catholic religion. And I admit being chosen to birth the Messiah is a tremendous calling. However, she is simply a human being that is no longer here. Asking a live person of today to pray for us is not the same as what this religion does with Mary. Very weak defense of the practice. I are explicitly taught to come boldly before the throne of Grace. Mary being His mother doesn’t make any more than simply a deceased human from His lifetime and time period. I could NEVER pray to anyone or thing as part of my prayer life. I have a close personal relationship with God. Why would I ever place anything between He and I to pray through. I respect Catholics but I just have to agree to disagree. Great that we can choose our worship and religion even when it’s not biblical. Never could get the priest thing either. There is one Father!! And humans don’t aren’t that special. Grandiose, though we be.

        1. Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Those who believe in Me, even though they die, will live, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?” (John 11:25,26).

          Blessed Virgin Mary Still lives. Whoever believes Christ even though they die on this planet earth will live. The Life Christ talks about is not earthly life.

          You can do well by showing me where I can see the body of Christ(head to toe)

          Have you not read about what happened in the tomb when Mary Magdalene searched for Christ’s body in the tomb? The angel of God asked her ‘why do search for the living in the land of the dead?

          The scripture is spiritual and only a spiritually minded person can understand it. That’s why before reading the scriptures you should invite the Holy Spirit to help you understand

    3. Willie Barber, you’ve got it right Jesus said NO ONE comes unto the Father but by me. That means you or your prayers will NOT be delivered to God without the right address on it. That address is Father God, in the Name of Jesus, “enter request etc” then close with an invocation (empowering the message (better than a postage stamp. Then the message/prayer is hand delivered to Jesus and he acknowledges that you are one of his and sends/takes it directly the Father God, Creator of all things, and he will immediately answer the request. When you see the physical manifestation is largely according to your faith and belief you are a person God will answer a pray from. If you are a true Christian than the pray will automatically be answered if the are no demonic resistance in which you call upon God Angelic Host to break through the *demonic resistance and deliver the requested answer to your prayer.
      * http://www.desiringgod.org/messages/angels-and-prayer
      See also: http://www.bible-knowledge.com/pray-to-god-the-father-in-the-name-of-jesus/

    4. You can’t be very happy with your aggression towards Catholics – and indeed anyone that doesn’t share your heretical faith.

    5. Don’t forget it the original Universal (Catholic) Church that gave you the verse. Seems odd you don’t consult the group that wrote it for it’s original meaning in context.

      “Think of Moses mediating for the Israelites in the Old Testament. Think of the prophets who acted as mediators, bringing God’s word to the people. Think of Scripture itself — it is written by human authors (mediators) and edited by human redactors (more mediation).

      God could speak to our hearts directly (which he often does), but he also chose to use prophets (mediators) and to give us his inspired word (the Bible) through the use of mediators.

      Moreover, if you back up a few verses in 1 Timothy, you will see these lines: “I ask that supplications, prayers, petitions, and thanksgivings be offered for everyone, for kings and for all in authority, that we may lead a quiet and tranquil life in all devotion and dignity. This is good and pleasing to God our savior” (vv. 1-3).” -Fr. Edward McIlmail, LC

  12. I consider myself a Catholic and I think the Church of God, which are all the believers and followers of Christ even if they are not Catholics, should strive to seek unity.
    Jesus would want that instead of division. So, instead of creating new Denominational Churches, Christians should cooperate for unity and bring back to the Church the most original form of the Gospel preached by Jesus.
    We all should do that for the sake of Jesus message. The world needs that unity… the world needs to see it!
    Jesus also, prayed for the Church (His body) to be one, like Him and the Father are one.
    Interesting, here is the usage of the word body that He used. Although, the body has separated organs and members where each one has its unique function, all of them are bound together physically and are under a single head which is Jesus.

    So, when a division happens, we all loose something! And that is what people who don’t believe in the Gospel of Jesus see also.

    Honestly, I also don’t understand this “extra” devotion to Mary and the Saints. No doubt that they are good examples of faith and can and should be meditated on.
    Of course, Mary is blessed upon all women. No doubt about it! But Mary also points to Jesus, has we see by reading the story of the wedding of Cana on the New Testament.

    Mary points to Jesus and Jesus points to the Father. Out dedication must be towards God, always.

    For me, all that matters at this moment is the following:
    1) follow Jesus teachings by reading and meditating on the scriptures
    2) pray to God the Father (like Jesus taught)
    3) keep the 10 commandments
    4) attend Mass
    5) confess my sins to God and to a priest
    6) do good works
    7) testify to others about the faith in Christ
    8) seek unity with other Christians and debate on it

    I think this is the correct approach.
    The rest for me seems to be extra and takes away my time on the already mentioned points. Not forgetting also that we need time for our families, friends, work and also to enjoy life if possible.

    1. Unity is not always good. According to the Book of Revelations, when the anti Christ rules earth, there will be a one world political system, a one world economic system, and a one world religions system. This one world system will reek tribulations on the entire earth for seven years. The bible is clear that this unity religion will be a false religion. My point being, that at the end times, we will finally have one religion, and it will result in calamity. Unity is great, so long as the true bride of Christ is the outcome. I see no way to unite denominations to the real truth, because each denomination sees themselves as the only truth. Maybe it explains why the eventual unity of religions will result in a unified false religion.

      1. Willie Barber I would like to point out that you are pointing out to denominations that is very different from ‘religion’s’. One religion from the different religions not the denominations. Any form or sect of Christianity is pointing out to Jesus our Lord and Saviour. Remember our battle is against the principalities of darkness not flesh. We as believers of Christ are divided and hence easy victims for the devil. I would say to you, do some history reading and research on what happened in the years after Jesus and the Pentecost and after all the initial first second and third disciples had passed away/ martyred and how was the Bible assembled, when Paul was preaching and writing he didn’t refer to a Bible. Just imagine hypothetically; refusing to acknowledge the mother of Jesus and her ministry ( I’m sure she did have one) as a part of our Christian journey is like someone telling you that, “Willie I really like you but I can’t stand your mother” and the same goes for the saints who set a model for us. I am from a non denominational background and I think of these factors. The Bible is the inspired word of God without a doubt but assembled by man. You see I’m from India and I cannot see any letters or accounts of the disciple Thomas who travelled to India to spread the Gospel. You mean to say the Christians in India are illegitimate or false. I’m sure he too was inspired by God in his ministry. So these are some thoughts to ponder on. Look at things after a thorough research of your own, not something that’s been told to you.

      2. I see what you’re saying…and agree in part. In Corinthians 1 paul says: “Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.”
        Just because you cannot see any way to unite denominations to the real truth doesn’t mean the spirit of God will not work in the hearts of true believers to try and unite the Bride of Christ, because all things are possible for Him. In Corithians Paul goes on to say:
        “For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?”
        All true Christians are baptised in the name of Christ ALONE, and so have the spirit of God in them, and are able to believe in the truth and power of God. I honestly believe that, no matter which denominations people are born and raised into, if they truly seek the heart of God the Holy Spirit will convict them to reject what is wrong. My husband grew up in a particular branch of the Orthodox church, and the closer he got to God the more uncomfortable he was kissing the feet of the icons in the church. Nobody told him this; he read the gospels and was convicted; the Holy Spirit of God revealed this truth to him. I do think that discussion IS important, but only so far as to reveal the will of God and keep focused on Him. And as a Catholic while I do agree that Mary does look like she has been set apart by God I have to admit my heart has rejected the idea that she herself was conceived without sin. There is no biblical basis for this. I know people have compared her to the second Eve; but in truth there is no one who is on par with Jesus in terms of true power. I may not know the real answer to the question of praying the rosary, but I know that I will not go to hell if I pray to Jesus & God; if I pray to Mary and it turns out it is idolatry do I really want to risk it? I am looking into this but currently I’m not convinced. Sorry.

        1. …make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit… (Matt 28:19)

        2. We aren’t praying TO Mary. We are asking Mary to Pray for us. We ask for prayer and offer prayer for others all the time. That’s not not replacing Jesus. The last line of the prayer, “Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.”

      3. Revelations was mostly about nero, something that already happened. But we are not to be a minute anxious about the end of the world because of the new world to come. So why do so many focus on revelations and forget the rest of the bible. Luther even abridged the thing. The LDS and Jehova Witness changed the words a bit. None of the scriptures were written in English. The one thing Christ himself was clear about is no one knows the end. It is also not something to dread. Why is this made so complicated?

    2. I feel the other denominations lack unity with the fullness of God’s teachings. Many are unaware of the multiple Marian apparitions and what was relayed to the Catholic Church through them.

      Bible alone does not hold any value. God did not give you a Bible, he gave you a priesthood dating back to the old testament into the new with his apostles. An emperor complied their teachings 350 years after Christ ascended. Without the proper knowledge (that Jesus shared with his apostles about his parables) we are creating false prophets. They may mean well, but the fact remains that God also told us He has one Church that He founded. I don’t recall Him saying that due to mistakes we would start over…5 times.

  13. Mary wasn’t and still isn’t holy she was blessed and was chose to bear Jesus in her belly just. Jesus also bless the disciples and sent them out in to the world, and why do we have to ask Mary to pray for us, when we can do that for our self’s. You and God suppose to have a relationship and that through Jesus its like Mary is the middle man and it isn’t the right way. it like husband and wife or girl friend and boy friend who isn’t in talking terms and only correspond through a third person. Every human can be good, mercy full, kind but only the Trinity is holy. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

    1. Then in this case you should give your Power of Attorney to your friends not your mother and father. This was I can hear you say.

    2. Dawn, WHY wasn’t Mary holy? Calling anyone holy does NOT put them at the LEVEL of God. Jesus said, in I PETER, “Be holy, for I am holy.” The Bible tells us to strive to be holy, and live holy lives. IF humans can lead holy lives, and be holy. WHY not Mary?? Calling a person holy does NOT put them at the level of GOD. No one is holy by their own merits. We are all holy, only because of God. No one will ever match up to the holiness of God. So, if man can be called holy, why not Mary?? Jesus said “Be holy. for I am holy.” He meant that for men. IF mere man can be called holy, Mary sure can. She was chosen, of all women, to carry Jesus. IF she should not be called holy, NO one should be.

    3. Mary was consecreated to God. Also why we beleive her and Joseph has a nontraditional marriage. She was married to God, Joseph was an earthly husband and early father to Jesus with a vocation in God’s plan as well. That part of brothers and sisters later on that causes confusion also is translated as kin. The problems of a bible translated into new languages. It could be children of Joseph and a prior wife as well. It could be more cousins like John the Baptist. Kin just means related. That is what holy means, consecrated. The apostles were also holy. The Holy family.. Holy capitialized because it includes Jesus, who is God. Holy it does not exclusive apply to God. She carries Jesus in her womb not belly, that would have been an additional miracle. You do not have to ask her anything if you do not want to. But be sure even though noncatholics do not understand the difference, catholics do know the difference. Peace.

      1. Mary was a virgin only until Christ was born though. . . Otherwise why would it say in Matthew 1:24-25 that “Joseph took unto himself his wife and did not KNOW her until after the birth of their son whom they called Jesus?”

    1. All of God’s creation was made holy but Original Sin darkened the world.

      Our Lady is The Immaculate Conception and so was always holy, as Mary, Mother and Queen of Heaven and Earth, was never tainted by Original Sin.

      Praise be to Mary, our Holy Mother, and the Mother of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

      Those who dishonour the Mother, dishonour the Son. Those who love Mary, however, love Jesus.

      Ave Maria!

      1. it makes no sence to pray through mary or saints..isaiah 9:6 says…unto us a son is given,and the governments shall be upon His shoulder…mark my words,not upon His mothers shoulder but upon the son of God…Jesus is the only name that we have been given through which we shall be saved…i still wonder where is mary in the Holy trinity..

        1. 1. We never pray to Mary or saints….we ask dem to pray for us. We only pray to god.
          2. The son was given to us to save mankind.
          3. Mother Mary his mother is a blessed one and wen jesus went up to heaven Mary was the one to give strength to the apostle along with the holy sprit.
          4. Mary is not in the trinity bcoz trinity is God and Mary was God’s mother and not god her self.

          1. That would be praying to the dead. It’s one thing to have people that are alive pray for you but the dead is another thing. Only God is omnipresent. He hears our prayers through Jesus Christ. Jesus created all things even Mary. The one chosen to give birth to Him. How else was He going to be born? Jesus wanted to make it clear not to put much power on this by saying anyone who does the will of my Father is my mother. Once we are all hit with the Holy Spirit we become Holy. Same with Mary. It’s the only way Jesus could be born of Mary. How do you you take flesh and make her the mother of God? And…. Make that which is only flesh queen of heaven?

        2. Mary isn’t in the Holy trinity. She is revered and held in high regard. Her faith in God is something we strive to achieve. Her grace and her relationship with God is indeed holy.

      2. Luke 11 27-28

        27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You.” 28But He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”…

        Mathew 12 47-49

        47Someone told Him, “Look, Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to You.” 48But Jesus replied, “Who is My mother, and who are My brothers?” 49Pointing to His disciples, He said, “Here are My mother and My brothers.…

      3. Blasphemy, the queen of heaven worship is not biblical(jeremiah7:14, Jeremiah 44), (psalm115:3) this passage of the bible is clear and shows GOD’s sovereignty over all having no mother or father, Mary was only chosen at the pleasure of GOD to bear JESUS and if it pleased god our lord JESUS Christ could have come through any other woman, there is no place in the bible that says mary intercedes for us, but the bible makes us to know that there is only 1 mediator between GOD and man which is JESUS(1timothy2:5), it is only by JESUS anybody including mary can inherit eternal life in heaven or access to heaven(john3:16) when the disciples of JESUS asked him how to pray he taught them The Lord’s Prayer(Matthew6:9-13) JESUS never taught the rosary prayer, a rosary prayer is not found anywhere in the bible, the word of GOD or bible tells us that should at the mention of the name of JESUS every knee should bow in heaven on earth and under the earth, not at the mention of Mary. Whenever Christians pray they end the prayer in the name of JESUS because it’s only by him our prayers would be answered because he his the only mediator between GOD and man(1timothy2:5), the bible tells us of false prophets and doctrines and acknowledges us to test all spirit(1john4) reading this chapter shows clearly whom we are subject and whom we are to pray to. In the revelation of john the beloved we are shown the host of heaven the cherubims and seraphims, the 24elders of heaven and every other heavenly being, john tells us that they bow down to GOD and also they bow to the LAMB that was slain(JESUS,GOD in the flesh{revelation5:8) as a result of these visions they is know account of Mary in heaven in the bible, but there is an account of JESUS Christ. To all Catholics including your pope i ask this question; can u inherit eternal life through Mary? Because that was the main reason JESUS was sent to the earth so that all could inherit eternal life including Mary, and u can also inherit eternal life in heaven if u confess JESUS as your lord and savior, GOD bless u.

        1. ^

          Do you not comprehend what this article is writing about? It clearly says Mary is worthy of reverence but NOT worship! Catholics revere Mary but do not worship her; all worship and prayers go to God alone. Do you not revere your parents, your leaders? The same way they do to Mary.

          I do not understand why it is so hard for you guys to understand simple things like these.

          1. Catholics in certain countries do worship Mary (mainly in Spain and Latin America), in fact they have dozens of Virgins which they call by different names but are in fact the same one – Virgin Mary (confusing I know) Their fervor for Mary very often surpasses that of Jesus.

  14. you Protestants and Catholics fight among each other not realizing your whole religion is a sad joke played on you by a pagan emperor named Constantine who used a dead Jew named Jesus to control an empire, and now, from the grave, this pagan emperor controls you.It is all a lie, don’t you get it, all a lie.How foolish you all are…sign me..ex-Christian and ex-Catholic as well.Too much of my life in ruins by believing in the Bible, in Jesus, and in Christianity…ruined by these lies. Wake up while you still have time.

    1. Mary is not Holy. All are sinners, none righteous. Jesus asked them why they call Him good and He told them only God is good, meaning not Him at the time He was on Earth. Jesus is the man mediator between God and man. Jesus knew and did everything by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the fullness of God which is in Believers today. The Holy Spirit can work through Believers just like He did through Jesus. The Father gave Jesus all authority in Matthew 28 just before Jesus gave the great commission. Believers have to study God’s Word till the Holy Spirit reveals all truth to you. Preachers do not have it all right. STUDY, STUDY and STUDY some more with a lot of PRAYER. You have to HEAR FROM GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT.

    2. Mary was blessed because she was in the right lineage to bring fourth the savior and because she trusted the angel if The Lord not because she should be praised as queen of heaven… Or even mentioned in prayer… Jesus said pray in my name to the Father in Heaven… No mention of mary…

      Luke 8:20-22 Jesus said who his mother and brothers are….

    3. MustloveGreatDanes1

      I hear your frustration in the derision that appears here between parties that have faith all trying to magnify a living God like no other, even one who sacrificed himself for all mankind then was spiritually re-born to give us spiritual re birth, peace,hope and joy and clarity. Tell us more about how your life was in ruins because of your faith? There are many here who are able to help by providing an ear, hope, understanding, and some historical clarity. God does not cause bad things to happen rather is there when bad does and will happen- life 101-and in many forms.

  15. The Lord knows those who are His. Let everyone who names the name of the Lord abstain from wickedness. II Timothy 2:19

  16. The arguments made against the communion of saints are entirely propagated by those who have already lost the body of Christ. No wonder they next cease the eucharist, calling it an idolatry, then lose the crucified body of christ from the cross, calling that an idol, and finally lose the very mother that jesus gave us. Yes, he gave us Mary as a mother at the cross in his dying words – and no wonder, because if you are a brother with Jesus than Mary is your mother too. But you people are serpents, having wandered so far from the truth that you now turn on the very church christ founded.

    1. Nowhere in scripture does it say Scripture Sola (the bible alone as a source of information on religious duty). The proof of the pre-dominance and pre-existance of the liturgy is throughout the bible, from Mechiseldik to Moses, from Isaiah to Jesus; not a single time are the liturgical blessings written down – they were passed only by mouth, to holy to write down. Look for everytime a blessing is said, and you will never find the blessing (lest you should actually pray in vain).

    2. Using scripture against christians is what the pharisees did – the very ones who murdered Jesus. That’s right – constantly they challenged Jesus – who was always liturgically correct – and they damned him for it, condemned him to death for it. Now all you serpents sit in that seat too.

    3. The very bible you use has removed critical bible books. The Bible quoted by Jesus and the apostles every time was none other than the Septuagint – the bible in common use in the 1st century. That’s the basis of the Catholic and Greek bibles. But you serpents cast away books, instead following a form of the book that canonized by the jews 1000 years after christs death – the rabbis removing those books to prevent Jews from becoming christians. Why would protestants trust the people who rejected Christ more than the Church that taught them christ?

    4. Christ said the gates of hell would never prevail against his church. Well guys, for over 1000 years THERE WAS NO OTHER CHURCH. So if the Catholic church was EVER christ’s church then by the word of his own mouth it still is and will always be.

    5. The priests of the temple kneeled before the ark of the covenant where they offered their prayers to God, through the Ark. That Ark is Mary. The proof is in revelations – read immediately following the Ark being revealed in heaven. The very next sentence is the woman being revealed in heaven, being crowned with the mantle of the Ark of the covenant. But then you serpents deny that, saying that is the church. Big problem you deceivers – if it was the Church, then you are saying the Church pre-existed Christ, and gave birth to Christ – making Jesus your child, not the child of Judaism and Mary. There is no way around it – that woman is definitely Mary, she is crowned with the mantle of the ark, and asking her to pray for us to the lord our God is giving her the honor she deserves and following scripture to the letter – we are no different than the priests offering their prayers to the Ark of the Covenant (which was also called the HOLY of HOLIES).

    6. At the wedding of Gallilee we learn the importance and significance of offering our petitions through Jesus’ mother – they came to Mary about the wine, she asked Jesus to perform a miracle, and he called her WOMAN (as he did at the cross, when he gave her as mother to the church and all true christians) and then HE DID AS SHE ASKED.

    7. To think Mary is not a saint is blasphemy. A saint is a person who is in heaven. If you are going to say Mary is not in heaven, you are probably going to hell. In revelations it shows the prayers of the Saints being carried by the Seraphim (angels) as incense to the presence of God. Now what exactly are these saints in heaven praying for? What’s that nonsense again about not asking Saints to intercede for us? Christ himself promised a crown of glory and to rule with him as his brothers and sisters – it is GOD himself that has glorified the saints and make known their presence in heaven through answering their prayers with a profusion of miracles.

    8. Having turned against your own mother, refused to eat christ’s flesh and blood as he commanded (yes, that was a commandment), rejected his church, rejected the very scripture he quoted, you expect to make us believers in the twisted heresy of protestantism?

    I pray you will consider these things: turn from your evils, and come back to his Church. May the Holy Spirit lead you to truth, may God the father forgive you and pour his grace upon you, may Mary the Mother of God pray to Jesus for your redemption, and may Christ the good shepherd lead you back to his pasture.



      Jesus was there even before Abraham. Who was His mother that time? Is Mary was there even before Abraham?. Till the age of 30, Jesus was obedient to His parents. He did not raised Joseph, his step father from death, since He was just a normal man without power yet lived without sin. After He was anointed by the Holy Father, He spoke in authority saying, “For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.”(Matthew 12:8). Did he break the ten commandments then? When he was anointed with the Holy Spirit He became the Lord of the Ten commandments. So, He called Mary as woman. She is a surrogate mother and also a step mother for empty man Jesus. When Jesus became Lord of the sabath, He also became Lord of the Mary, the beloved woman. Lord Jesus gave Mary to John, the beloved disciple, to take care of her. Mary did not take care of John in his house, it was John who took care of her. So, it symbolizes for you to get a Mary statue and take care of it well. First Chruch formed in Jerusalem, but not in Rome. Apostles used to to gather at Jerusalem, but not in Rome. Jesus did not said that I am creating a institutional church in this earth called Roman catholic, where pope is head with royal rod and hat, all people have to kiss the ring of pope and bishops. Jesus did not say to get appointments to see them. Even Jesus was free roaming here and there. The Scriptures in bible offends your crooked faith , and so, you people rejecting the authority of the Word of God.

      Hosea 8:12
      “Though I wrote for them ten thousand precepts of My law, They are regarded as a strange thing.”

      God wrote it man, wether you believe it to live or doubting it to die, its your free will that God has given you to choose. God wrote it to preserve it. Human mouth can lie, but the written and preserved words by the Holy Spirit cannot be changed.

      Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. God bless u.

      1. Josephine Harkay

        This is is how I try to understand the question: The Second Person of the Blessed Trinity existed from all eternity, but when He became incarnate as Jesus, He entered time as true man at a particular moment. Jesus never said that before Abraham was “I am.” Of course in God there is no time, it is an eternal “now,” so for Him the past, the present, and the future are all “now.” He knew from all eternity that Mary will become the mother of Jesus in time, but Mary did not yet exist in time before Abraham either. We cannot understand how timelessness works and how can the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, only one Person, exist as God with a divine nature and also as a man with a human nature.

    2. Just 2 quick points

      The Catholic church didn’t start with Christ, it started with Constantine who was himself a pagan and had a “death bed conversion” which is why most of the holidays match up with pagan ones (Christmas / Easter etc).

      The Septuagint does have other books, but the bible also has maps etc in it that are there for info and not actually part of the scriptures.

    3. I am so confused right now, I Am A Catholic, have been since I was a baby. But I just don’t feel comfortable praying to Mary, I know it sounds awful and I pray to GOD that He will forgive me for opting out of praying the rosary etc. I Believe Mary has A special place in Heaven but It doesn’t say anywhere in scripture to pray to angels or Saints, It says about the angels offering up our prayers in a bowl of incense. But It doesn’t actually say anywhere directing us to pray to Mary or the angels & saints and ask them to pray for Us to The Lord. I’m not against it and I agree Mary is full of grace & respect should be shown to her as the mother of Jesus, But I just don’t feel comfortable with it as I really do not want to offend GOD. Also please Catholics & Protestants stop arguing. We need to learn to get along. We share the same beliefs on most things, Who is to say Protestants wont be in heaven? Who is to say Catholics won’t be in heaven? Who is anyone to Judge? There is only 1 Judge who gets to decide and that is GOD. ALL Christians from ALL different branches of Christianity may go to Heaven & when we get there we won’t be arguing in Heaven so why don’t we learn to just get along here & now on Earth? I pray that ALL Christians will go to heaven as we all accept Jesus, We live our lives by Jesus’s teachings, We Love GOD. WE ARE CHRISTIANS. So instead of bickering, Why not pray to The Lord Our God that He will guide us & all Christians unite in the beliefs that we do share instead of criticizing over the beliefs we don’t share so that we can all be part of God’s family & that he may accept us all. AMEN x

      1. Amen. I was also confused as a Catholic growing up. I didn’t believe in asking the Priest to help me with my sins when I knew as a child that the bible said to Ask God for His forgiveness. So that’s what I did, then all the other Truths came into play for me about praying to Mary, Saints, statues, etc… and the Word became truth to me at a Christian church. I’m not saying the Word doesn’t come in true to my Catholic friends either, I believe the devout Catholics I know will also be in heaven. I don’t believe all Catholics will be in heaven, just like I don’t believe all who call themselves Christian will be in heaven either.

        You’re right about fighting about our differences than accepting our faith in Jesus.

      2. The dead are dead and know nothing awaiting the resurrection. None have been resurrected yet. Jesus tells all that none have ascended but him that came down from Heaven. Luke even tells you in Acts that King David is still in the tomb. God tells all to let the dead take care of the dead. Jesus is the first of the resurrection. The thief did not go to Heaven yet. Jesus did not ascend for 40 days Himself after the Great Commission was given. Believers are to pray to the Father in the name of the Son, Jesus. Jesus was the perfect sacrifice to fulfill the Fathers required sacrifice without sin, without spot or wrinkle. Jesus was sinless with the knowledge and power of the Holy Spirit being in fellowship with the Father.

        1. Mary Assumption to Heaven , no were they can find her remain, she’s not on earth anymore , she’s with her son Jesus in heaven. and sh’es appearing all around the world to warn and give messages from Jesus her son here on Earth./ do you think Mary is dead. she’s the Mother of Jesus and full of Grace, do you know the meaning of WORSHIP AND HONOR ? Protestants cl;aim to be so smart but don’t know the simple difference between WORSHIP and REVERENCE , worship and honor : If Mary is dead ! ! ! That means the WOMAN who bore the Son of God :@ who was the Ark of the NEW COVENANT which God choose to come through her Immaculate , now God could of come on his own but he choose Mary . Are you kidding she’s dead ? That means you are dead because if you don’t believe she’s in Heaven a WOMAN more pure than any women who ever live ,then you got no chance entering heaven.

      3. Thank you SU. God bless you for your honest and straightforward response. I feel exactly the same as you do. From one Catholic to another, All glory be to God our Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Amen

    4. I agree with all the things you said about the importance of Mary, bar one: Our Lady is not just a Saint, Mary is Queen and Mother of Saints first in the order of grace. And Mary is Queen of Angels, and Prophets and of the Church and all true lovers of Jesus Christ.

    5. All of God’s creation was made holy but Original Sin darkened the world.

      Our Lady is The Immaculate Conception and so was always holy, as Mary, Mother and Queen of Heaven and Earth, was never tainted by Original Sin.

      Praise be to Mary, our Holy Mother, and the Mother of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

      Those who dishonour the Mother, dishonour the Son. Those who love Mary, however, love Jesus.

      Ave Maria!

    6. To Mike says: Jesus answered and honored the requests of millions of people not just Mary. The catholic church doesn’t believe in sola scriptura and yet this same church claims they wrote and then gave the bible to the world. HYPOCRITES !! This same church says that I must honor Mary the same way that the church does because if I don’t then Jesus will be very angry at me. In all honesty Jesus said very little if nothing at all about Mary. He never hailed her and He never instructed us to do the same. In the beatitudes Jesus said blessed are those. That includes all of us not just Mary. Mary does not intercede on our behalf. Jesus gave us the Holy Spirit to comfort us and lead us to Jesus.

    7. You have absolutely no scripture, you basically copied and pasted from the Catholic encyclopedia……..the Bible is the word of God……every word was inspired by his spirit —-http://biblehub.com/2_timothy/3-16.htm …….. shame on you for defending your false and pagan doctrine by following mans words and not the word of God. It’s no wonder you continue in your ignorance and idolatry……..you don’t have scripture in your life. Mary was a sinner who rejoiced in her Savior……..saying she is the ark of the covenant is blasphemy…..shame on you.

  17. The Bible says, my people perish for lack of knowledge…This is the conclusion of the whole matter,fear God and keep His commandments
    Also,if it happens to be that praying to Mary or asking her to interceed is acceptable unto God,protestants have nothing to loose but if at the last day,He says it is idolatry or sin then a multitude of people will have missed heaven.It is better safe than sorry.Read His word,have a personal relationship with Him,obey Him and you’ll surely have a place in heaven

    1. Praying to Mary is not necessarily Idolatry. Unless the people praying the Hail Mary prayer are Offering Sacrifices TO her. People have gotten away from what True Worship really is, and what Prayer really is. SACRIFICE was considered True Worship from the beginning of Christianity. Then, around the time of the Protestant Reformation, Protestants didn’t like the idea of Sacrifice as worship, so they REMOVED it. Did that Change anything? Yes. It made it confusing as to what True Worship really was, and what Prayer really was. So, a person who prays the “Hail Mary” Prayer is Not Worshiping her, as long as they are NOT Offering Sacrifices to her. Now, some may argue that Jesus Did away with the need for Sacrifice. Yes, and No. Jesus did away with the need for BLOODY Sacrifices, as He is the Ultimate Bloody Sacrifice. Yet, in the Old Testament, in the prophesies of Malachi, Malachi told about the coming of Christ. He told us how Jesus would Reject the Bloody Sacrifices of the Jews, and would institute a PURE OFFERING (Sacrifice) that would be necessary universally. That Unbloody Sacrifice is in the Mass, the Eucharist. The Mass is Offered to GOD/JESUS, Not to Mary or the saints. Hope that explains how Prayer is Not necessarily Worship. Sacrifice is Worship. So unless someone is Offering Sacrifices To Mary or a saint, it is Not Worship.

      1. What Spirit do you received????? Spirit of Mary or the Spirit of Christ????

        Romans 8:26
        In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with wordless groanings.

        When the Spirit of Christ intercedes from you to the Holy father, what is the purpose of praying to Mary???

        Did Mary died for this world to pour her spirit upon everyone to pray to her??? Its Jesus Christ who died for all while we are still sinners and now praying to the Holy Father from our hearts saying Abba Father.
        Only the witchcraft lady possessed with demonic spirit spoke tothe prophet samuel who was at rest in graveyard. Do R.c people received such demonic spirit to pray to mary???

        Please open your eyes and save others. why wantedly rejecting the Truth for the sake of catholic tradition????? Will not God count it as an idol worship when they place such kind of demonic spirit in their hearts??
        Please repent for the Kingdom of God and the coming of Jesus Christ our Lord is near.

        1. Jesus Died for our sins. Mary did Not. Did i ever say that she did? No. i did Not. Sacrifice is True Worship. It was considered worship since the beginning of the early Christian Church. Where do you come up with some of the things say? Mary Did Not Die for our sins. The Catholic Church does NOT say she did. So, get that straight. I know you won’t, however. You will continue saying things such as you do.

          1. Do the Spirit of Christ in you speaks to Holy Father or to Mary????
            You saying praying to Mary is not wrong, but its blasphemy against to Holy Spirit, who prays to only Holy Father from our hearts.
            Why we received Holy Spirit, because Jesus died for us and so, sealed us with Holy Spirit. But, you are having some other dead spirit of vodo culture which speaks to spirits of humans. And so, you indirectly confess that you received Mary’s Spirit through her death.
            only the witchcraft lady brought prophet Samuel for king Saul and so Saul died. Don’t get such kind of curse. Save yourself and save others catholic people by abiding Holy Spirit.

          2. Did you not read the book of Daniel about how bowing down to a image/idol is actually a form of worship? Which had nothing to do with blood offers whatsoever.

        2. You mention “Rejecting the truth for the sake of Catholic Tradition” Of all people, I cannot be accused of “Rejecting the truth for the sake of Catholic Tradition.” I don’t know if I told you. I was actually away from the Church for over 40 years. I have always been one to question things. I still do. However, when I hear Out-Right lies and half-truths told about the Church, I Will defend them. I have relatives who are Non Catholic , who I know are real Christians, and who are saved. I had a great grandmother who was a strict Baptist. She died in 1980 at the age of 100. I know that she was saved, and is in Heaven today. The same with her daughter, my grandmother, who died several years ago at the age of 101. She also was saved. There are also Catholics who are saved. Of course, some won’t be, the same as some Non-Catholics won’t be. I learned way back in Catholic School that Jesus is the ONLY WAY to be Saved. That, and having the Holy Spirit in our hearts. We need to also pray to the Holy Spirit, ask for His guidance in our lives. Also pray Directly To God , The Father, to Jesus, the Second Person of the Trinity. You Don’t Know me, so you can’t say that I am not out for truth. Many lies have been said about the Church. I was kind of like you for many years. Yet, I started to Understand more. Say whatever you want. I know the Truth about Me, and so does God. THAT is the MAIN THING, what God thinks of us, not other people who are often wrong.

          1. Are you praying to Holy Spirit???? The Holy Scripture does not teach like this. Where did you get this teaching???? Look keenly into the scripture, Unless He is sealed within you, your prayer cannot be heared directly by Holy Father, because He himself praying from our hearts. This is the promise of the New Covenant.

            1Corinthians 2: 10-11 says, “…for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God”.

            you cannot directly pray to God to hear you, its the Holy Spirit who prays directly from us. And so, we are made closer to Holy Father.

            Ephesians 2:12-13
            “…remember that you were at that time separate from Christ,…… and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

            I am not praying to Mary because I received the Spirit of Christ, who only speaks to Holy Father alone. Hope, many are following this Truth.

        3. We all forget, god is within all of us, and without us at the same time. So look inside yourself yes, but do not forget there are many things you can only learn from others. And you’re suppose to pray to the Trinity as a whole.

          1. Romans 8:26-27
            In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

            Did not the above scripture says that we do not know How to pray as we should???
            Who is praying??? You or Holy Spirit Himself???? Do you have the Holy Spirit for your benefit???

            You are actually speaking without knowing promise of the new covenant.

          2. Definitely true, that we can learn from others. A while ago I was watching an Anti-Catholic video. I was defending the Church, and No matter what I said, I was wrong. (A Few People). Some were a little more open. Some people harden themselves. They seem to find fault with Everything about the Church. I have actually learned a lot from Non-Catholics, and they from me. Yet, some people seem to Not find Anything Right about it. Bless you.

          3. FSHS DISCIPLES (APA)

            John 16:13
            “…He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth…”

            John 14:26
            “…the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you…”

            1John 2:27
            “..the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him..”

            When a line with 1° of angle is projected to an infinite distance from the straight line really shows a big deviation. i.e., if someone starts deviating from the Truth and in a course of time they are much more in another track from the True line. Its same with the catholic church doctrines. Even those small deviations of many doctrines made much more impact aginst the Truth, but the Truth of the scripture is followed and preached by the Apostles.

            Galatians 1:6-10
            “I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we(may it be any person or any church or any leader or any revelation from spirits of saints or any doctrine), or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed! For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ”.

            May it be any person or any church or any leader or any revelation from spirits of saints or any doctrine is cursed, when it contradicts the Gospel that Apostles preached.

      2. Peggy – I encourage you to do a little research and look up the definition of worship. It has nothing to do with sacrifice. Praying to or referencing anyone other than the father, son, or holy spirit, is anti-biblical in every way shape or form.

          1. If you are talking about to whom our preyers to be sent I think we must read 1John 2:1-2,Jesus Christ is only one our prayers should be sent to as he is only one we are saved with. As he said that he is way,truth and life no one come to the Father except through him.My beloved Christian we should read the Scripture sin the Devil is out there chasing the ones who don’t have word of God.May God guide you in our journey to heaven, Amen

      3. That was skillful saying that hailing Mary is like asking her to pray for us to God much like asking other Christian brothers & sisters to pray for us. I agree, however when a Christian dies then there’s no reason to maintain a prayer request because they’re no longer here with us likewise Mary. Consequently i disagree hailing Mary, she’s not God or the Messiah.

      4. This business of hailing Mary or the saints and asking them to pray for us is futile. The rule is to never pray or give homage to created beings. Offering sacrifices, speaking in tongues and such had ceased upon the completion of the Bible. Offering sacrifices to Mary or a saint is not worship and serves no purpose than the man in the moon. Simply pray to the Lord in the name of Jesus Christ.


    “…fear GOD who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell”.(Matthew 10:28).

    Fear GOD that He can destroy body in hell(Ghenna or lake of fire). So it is better to leave that single part which sins than to go the hell with the whole body.

    Hebrews 6:18
    “. .it is impossible for God to lie”.

    GOD does not exaggerate things, He speaks only Truth and to the point he speaks. Only Satan twists and exaggerate things, and also he used the scripture when he tested Jesus after the water baptism.

    Matthew 5:37
    let your statement be, `Yes, yes’ or `No, no’; anything beyond these is of evil.

    Jesus said the above words, then how he will act like an evil one to exaggerate things???. He never exaggerated His teachings. Someties He said through parables but even those things are explicitly understood in Spirit.

    We no need to pinpoint others when we have the same mistakes. But is it worthy to rebuke other christians by saying their mistakes when they already found mistakes on catholic?. I was Catholic once, but now i am not, because i am free from manly laws and traditons which condradicts God’s words.

    Mark 9:47-48
    If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than, having two eyes, to be cast into hell, where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.

    Is that OUR GOD exaggerate about those worms that does not die in LAKE OF FIRE??

    Is that OUR GOD exaggerate about the unquenchable fire which destroys both soul and body??

    Is that OUR GOD told exaggerated false things in bible???

    Matthew 5:19
    “Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    If you cannot teach it means, you are not doing His will.

    Luke 12:47-48
    “..slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes, but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.

    The problem is whether the code of teaching in the churches is subject to the Holy Spirit and His words.

    Out of 100 times, 90 times most of the catholic people says Mother Mary…Mother Mary for everything and just 10 or even less times they remembner the name of Jesus in their hearts. Your too much veneration for Mother Mary itself has become like an idol worship in your hearts, since your minds don’t remember Jesus much. Your faith is driven by your hearts but not according to the Truth. The bridge between a Christian person and God is only HOLY SPIRIT.
    1Corinthians 2: 10-11 says, “…for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God”.

    If you want to stand firm in the man made belief systems then you cannot be changed and also you no need to change, because even if the Word of God explaining the promise of the new covenant could not change you, what could change you then ??? Is it your eyes are blinded from the will of God???

    Ezekiel 14:3 says,
    “…these men have set up their idols in their hearts”.

    Veneration is not wrong but that too much veneration to mother mary has become like an idol worship inside your hearts.

    forgetting the intercession of the Holy Spirit is waste to live in this world, Because the promise of the new covenant is the Holy Spirit. When such a great gift and promise is given, thinking for man made belief system which emphasise that dead ones praying for this world is only discouraging Christ’s effort and God’s love for this world. Deadly saints are dead for us, but living in the sight of God without the worldly contacts. If deadly ones wants to interceed for us, why Holy Spirit of the new covenant should be given??
    Or do you keep the Holy Spirit one among the interceeders???

    Ephesians 2:12-13
    “…remember that you were at that time separate from Christ,…… and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 

    99% catholic peoples only knows the intercession of mother mary and other saints. How many of them prayed in Spirit??? Or do they they know that they received the HOLY SPIRIT who makes them to get closer with God???

    If u boast that catholic church is the mother church then that also an idol worship, don’t cling to any persons and denominational names of the Churches. Rather get united in ONE Spirit and abide the scripture to hold firm in ONE FAITH.

    As Mary says,
    “..Whatever Jesus says to you, do it.” -John 2:5

    Paul says,
    “For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ”

    He did not preach anything other than Christ. So, are we preaching only Jesus Christ????

    Peter said
    Acts 2:38-40
    “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself. And……..”Be saved from this corrupt generation!”

    Lord Jesus said,
    John 17:19
    “It is for their sakes that I sanctify myself..”

    Jesus sanctified himself to give us the Holy Spirit as the new promise of the new covenant and closed the gap between us and GOD. Through His sanctification and holiness, every disciples received Holy Spirit, including Mary.

    All Glory, praises, worship and veneration goes to only God, Father of our Christ, who unites all Christians through the Holy Spirit. Amen.

    1. You say that Jesus NEVER Exaggerated His teachings. It is a Known fact, that Jesus used HYPERBOLE a lot. Hyperbole means Exaggeration. Most people know when He did it. Not EVERY one of Jesus’ words was meant to be taken Literally. I know that there is a verse where Jesus said something like “If Your RIGHT Eye Offendeth, PLUCK IT OUT” That was an example of a Hyperbole, an exaggeration. Would you DO THAT? How many ONE-EYED Christians do you see running around, who actually Took that LITERALLY, and actually PLUCKED their Eye out? Jesus often used Hyperbole (Exaggeration) to make a point. he said many of those things to Make A POINT.

      1. Stop sinning by youself or Pluck it out the organ which causes you to sin, so that you won’t sin. If you fear to pluck it out any organ that causes you to sin, then stop sinning without pluckking it. This is the message Jesus wants to give us.

        Jesus used the word “Sheep”, I hope most of the Christians would know that it points the one who believes and listens to Jesus. Let me be clear..if the word “sheep” refers to the “believers”, what then Jesus referred to the words “eye, hand and pluck it out”????? Be clear what these words refers to.. like the word “sheep” refers to “believers”. Rather than telling its an exaggeration, please give your answer to what it refers to exactly.

        Here I give the verses
        Matthew 5:29-30
        29. If your right EYE causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it away from you. For it is more profitable for you that one of your members should perish, than for your whole body to be cast into Gehenna(lake of fire).

        30.  If your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off, and throw it away from you. For it is more profitable for you that one of your members should perish, than for your whole body to be cast into Gehenna(lake of fire).

        Here Jesus used in a way..


        I am sure Jesus is speaking about the human flesh of ours, he is worried about our Whole Body.

        When Jesus said “eat My flesh and drink My blood”, catholics doctrine accepts that it is true and it is not an exaggeration. And So, they believe that bread turns into flesh of Christ and grape juice turns into blood.

        Even I believe that it is not an exaggeration because Jesus said…
        John 6:55
        “….My flesh is food indeed(real food), and My blood is drink indeed(real drink).

        1Corinthians 11:27-28
        “..whoever eats the bread or drinks from the cup in an unworthy manner will be held RESPONSIBLE for the Lord’s body and blood.  A person MUST EXAMINE himself and then eat the bread and drink from the cup. because whoever eats and drinks WITHOUT RECOGNIZING the body, eats and drinks JUDGEMENT on himself. That’s why so many of you are weak and sick and a considerable number are dying.

        Therefore, regarding the flesh and blood of Christ, it is real food and drink, and so we must examine ourselves to touch it, and will be held responsible, Judgement will come upon whom not regognizing it as real food and drink. And its not an exaggeration and so if you cannot stop sinning, pluck it out the organ which causes you to sin otherwise walk in Spirit, so that you wont fullfill the lusts of flesh.

        Don’t speak for denomination, speak for the TRUTH.

        1Corinthians 6:13
        “The body is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.”

        If that so, how much we should be carefully maintaining our body, so that it will be changed and enters true life in heaven. Our body is for our Lord and the Lord is for our body too. We each one are His temple, if all temples gather that is His Church. Temples and The Church belongs to the Lord. Both should be Holy. If the each Temples are holy, Whole Church will be holy too.

        Brother cassidy, do every christians follws and accepts this kind of life here??. Look the verses given down.
        Acts 2:44-47
        All the believers were united and shared everything with one another. They made it their practice to sell their possessions and goods and to distribute the proceeds to anyone who was in need. United in purpose, they went to the Temple every day, ate at each other’s homes, and shared their food with glad and humble hearts. They were praising God and enjoying the good will of all the people. Every day the Lord was adding to their number those who were being saved. 

        If dont want to pluck it out, then stop sinning. Because the organ which causes to sin has the power to push the whole body into lake of fire.

        If that is plucked out…God will give the complete spiritual body in eternal life.

        Matthew 5:28
        but I tell you that everyone who gazes at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.

        Is the above verse is exaggerated??, if that so what is the another explanation for this???? Following this above verse, Jesus is speaking about plucking of eye and hand.

        1. You left me a comment/question, but apparently Did NOT want an answer? There was No REPLY Button. You asked me for a reason why the verse should Not be taken Literally—–The verse about PLUCKING your eye out——If YOU want to take that verse Literally and actually Pluck an Eye out, go ahead. I choose NOT to pluck my eye out. You want the Reason why we should not follow that verse literally—-God gave us a Brain. He expects us to Use it, to NOT Maim our body. Most people know better than to follow that verse literally. Just curious, do you have ONE EYE? God expects us to THINK! Not sure if that is the reason you were looking for. We need to use common sense, which God gave us.

          1. Let there be fear to pluck out the part which sins, so that they won’t sin anymore.
            The promise of the new covenant is speaking about the spiritual flesh for God’s children. So, God’s children will be faithful to God till they wear that new one in order to look like Christ. Thus, the Fear of God will be established literally through that verse. If you are not able to understand it literally, then one day you will be surprised to see when God over throw the whole body into the lake of fire. With common sense of this world you cannot understand the Truth, because it will be looked like foolish.

      2. The Gospel may appear as an exaggeration. But only those willing to accept first Jesus Christ in their heart will understand the Gospel. I can preach to my the end of days and you will only grasp an understanding of words that don’t have much meaning. I PRAY THAT YOU MAY ACCEPT CHRIST SO THAT ALL MAYBE REVEALED AND UNDERSTOOD.

        1. Not sure if your note was to Me. I Never said that the Gospel was an Exaggeration. I said that Jesus used Exaggeration (Hyperbole) often to make a point. Look it up. Look up Hyperbole. Jesus Never meant that everything be taken Literally. I pointed out the example where Jesus said “If your Right eye Offendeth, PLUCK it out.” Jesus did Not mean us to take that literally, to Actually PLUCK an eye out. Most people know better than to take that Literally. Jesus used hyperbole to make a point. Many people know that.

          1. Dear Sister,
            I hope you will give the correct explanation, pls give the correct explanation if that is not be taken literally. Still you are saying its an exaggeration but what is the explanation then???

    2. And Exaggeration is not necessarily Lying. Jesus used Hyperbole on a few occasions to make a point. One other example of a Hyperbole would be when Jesus tells us “To Turn the other cheek.” Did He literally mean to actually Turn the other cheek and let people actually slap your face again? How many people do you actually see doing that? Just look up the word Hyperbole, and how Jesus used it at times to make a point. It is Not Lying.

    3. I read over your comment again. You say that Jesus Never exaggerated. He did. The reason He did was to Make A POINT. You say “Truth is Truth” . Yes, it is. Yet, understand that “People are People.” Even though people may be different today than back in Bible days, in the Old Testament, are they really That Different? People use Hyperbole a lot today, I’m sure that You do, too. They did back then, too. Hyperbole is Exaggeration used to MAKE A POINT. Jesus knew how the common people of that time talked. So, He talked in Their Own language, used Hyperbole that He Knew that they would UNDERSTAND. One example today of Hyperbole used today is when someone might say “This Box weighs a TON.” They are using Deliberate exaggeration to make a point, and Most people don’t take it literally that the box REALLY Weighs a TON. Jesus talked in the way that the common people of that time talked. He knew that they used Hyperbole, that they Exaggerated to Make a Point. He also used Hyperbole, NOT to mislead or lie, but to Make a Point. People would have understood that He was using Hyperbole, exaggerating to make a point, because he was talking to them in a way they Could Understand. The Bible actually uses Hyperbole a lot, in the Old Testament and the New Testament, and people UNDERSTOOD what it meant. One example of a hyperbole is in JOHN 4:39 which tells us of a Samaritan woman who said: “He Told me ALL that I Ever did.” She was using Hyperbole, or an Intentional Exaggeration to make a Point. Did Jesus Really tell her Everything she did in her ENTIRE Life? The Samaritan woman using Hyperbole, using an Intentional Exaggeration to make a point…that Jesus told her a LOT. Another example is: MARK 1:4-5 which tells us how John came to Baptize in the wilderness. It says : “Then ALL the Land of Judea and those of Jerusalem went out to him ans were ALL Baptized. ” Did ALL, every man, woman or child in Judea or Jerusalem actually go to him to be baptized? No. Mark was using Hyperbole to say that Many went to be baptized, to show How popular John the Baptist was. He was using Hyperbole, exaggeration to make a Point. Most people KNEW that, Know that. Most don’t take that Literally. Another example of Hyperbole (2 Examples) are 2 KINGS 18:5 and 2 KINGS 23:25 which may seem to be Contradictions. yet, are they? 2 KINGS 18:5 talks about King Hezekiah and says ” After him, was None Like him among all Kings of Judah, nor Any that were before him.” 2 KINGS; 23:25 Talks about King Josiah and says ” like unto him there was No King Before him…Neither after him arose there any like him.” These verses seem to contradict themselves. Do they? No. They are actually examples of Hyperboles, exaggerations to make a point. Both those verses tell us how these were Very Good Kings, nether one was perfect, yet both were very good. Like people of today use Hyperbole, Exaggerate to make a point, they did back in Bible days , too. Jesus Knew that, and spoke in a way the people of that time would understand. And they did. Most understood Him, anyway. Some didn’t Want to Understand Him, or deliberately twisted what He was saying. Hyperbole, a deliberate exaggeration to make a Point. It is Not a LIE. If Jesus was deliberately Lying (And we know he Didn’t Lie) would have been wrong. Jesus used Hyperbole because the people of that time used it, and they Understood Him. Some Didn’t understand Him, because they Didn’t WANT to understand Him.

      1. Dear Sister, have you seen diabetes or caner caused people, who cut off their legs or some other parts through medical surgery??? I had seen. Do they fear to lack just that one part or fear to save their whole life??? Are they not willing to save their whole life?? Do they lack common sense of this world?? Do those doctors lacked common sense to save those patient’s life??? Ofcourse, they accepted to remove that single part in order to save their whole life. I don’t know how worldly sense has made them to understand to save a person’s life like this.

        John 6:55,60,66
        Jesus said, “for my flesh is food indeed (true and real food) and my blood is drink indeed (true and real drink).”…..”When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This teaching is difficult; who can accept it?”….Because of this many of his disciples turned back and no longer went about with him.

        Paul says in
        1Corinthians 11:27-28
        “..whoever eats the bread or drinks from the cup in an unworthy manner will be HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LORD’s BODY and BLOOD. A person MUST EXAMINE himself and then eat the bread and drink from the cup. because whoever eats and drinks WITHOUT RECOGNIZING THE BODY, eats and drinks JUDGEMENT on himself. That’s why so many of you are weak and sick and a considerable number are dying.

        Did Jesus exaggerated and lost that much of disciples for an exaggeration?????? why Apostle Paul so much emphasising to recognize Lord’s body and blood as real??? I know many other denominational churches say its an exaggeration.

        Did not Origen plucked out his organ in order not to sin?? Did not catholic church accept him as their church father???

        Matthew 19:10-12
        “His disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.” But he said to them, “Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.”

        see the above verse, did not Jesus say Not everyone can accept this teaching???? At last is he not finishing “Let anyone accept this who can”????

        According to the context we have to accept Lord’s words.
        The context of Matthew chapter 5 is literally spoken, unless if you say about exaggeration you will point only verses 29-30 about plucking out. But, its spoken literally, because there Jesus speaking about sin in heart, body that causes sin, and the punishment of the body in the lake of fire.

        Even i have fear to pluck it out, and also have the fear to go into the lake of fire. Therefore, I will have the Fear of God always in front of my eyes and so, won’t allow my body and its members to be slave of sin, because I don’t want to go into lake of fire. But, if my eyes continuously sins and could not control myself from seeing pornography, its better to pluck it out and save my whole life in Christ Jesus than to enter the lake of fire eternally. But, I believe that I have the Holy Spirit and the Fear of God in front my eyes always to save me from the wordly lusts.

        Will not Jesus give us Spiritual flesh because of eating His body and blood???

        1. Your comment about Jesus, saying “For those who can accept it, should.” Jesus recommended Celibacy, but did Not Order it. He felt that it was best, for Those who can handle it, bear it. That is why Celibacy in Priests is NOT a Doctrine. It is a Discipline. It could change. I actually can’t picture it happening anytime soon. Also, Paul suggested celibacy, but did Not order it. That is why it is a discipline, not a doctrine. Some can handle it (celibacy). To some it is a gift. Some never should have priests, the same as some never should be Protestant ministers. IF Jesus would have Absolutely Ordered celibacy in those in the Religious life, it would be a Doctrine. Doctrines Cannot Change. Disciplines can.

          1. Amen…
            You got the point. In the same way, if one member of a body makes the way to the lake of fire, its better to leave that part alone to save their whole life. If the Fear of God is there one wont sin, and so, there is no need to cut off anything.
            Does not Jesus contrast saying “It is better”?? With a languished heart He wants people not to sin anymore to bring more trouble upon themselves.

        2. You have me puzzled. Do you accept the True Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist? It seems that you do. You quoted part of JOHN 6, THE BREAD OF LIFE DISCOURSE. It sounds that you DO Accept it, the True Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. When Jesus mentioned “Eating” His Body and Drinking His Blood, when he said that He is “True Food” and “True Drink.” , many of His followers were shocked at what He said, and Left. You also mention the part about Receiving communion (Eucharist) unworthily. You Seem to Accept the True Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist (Communion). ???

          1. Yes, I do. Because, the Holy Scripture says, “Nothing beyond what is written,” so that none of you will be puffed up in favor of one against another. = 1 Corinthians 4:6.
            Also, in 1 Corinthians 11:29 Paul says that whoever not recognizing that it is the body of Christ brings Judgment upon Himself and for this reason many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.

            Do anyone cooks the food and keeps it safe without eating???? won’t we eat it as soon as possible???? Yes, we will surely eat it, that what we do with the food that fills our belly.
            So says the Scripture about passover, “You shall let none of it remain until morning, and what remains of it until morning you shall burn with fire =Exodus 12:10.
            Exodus 34:25 =“You shall not offer the blood of My sacrifice with leaven, nor shall the sacrifice of the Feast of the Passover be left until morning.

            See, how much God emphasising in the Scripture that it should not be remained outside and it should not contain any leaven. He gave that to eat it and have the worship inside our hearts. So, that we can worship Him at any place when we gather in His name.

            Our Lord and Our God Jesus Christ was so much eagered to do the passover feast along with His disciples. Luke 22:15 =“I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer”.

            Is this perfectly followed by us??? Many of us doing against the will of God.

            Even Apostle Paul was serious about the passover feast, in 1Corinthians 5:8, He says, “…keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness..”

            Is not paul literally saying that the prepared bread and wine should not contain leaven? Yes, He is saying “Not with the old leaven”
            Is paul saying only for prepared bread and wine???? No, He also says “nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness” life.

            Eventhough the Roman Catholic teaches in this topic, but they are not following in all the churches. In India, Priests are using leavened wine, because even in the normal hours of their rest including most of the nuns and priests drinks leaven wine at their rooms, also usually in mass Priest alone takes that leavened wine as blood. People seeing with their eyes all kind of nasty films in TV cinemas comes to eat the whole Body(not a flesh) of Christ, because priest won’t preach such good news, when he himself sees all kind of nasty things How he will preach something which he does not follows???, They themsleves paying bulg amount of money to the bishop to get the particular parish, so that they will get profit later.
            Usually they won’t give blood at every mass, it will be given only in rare celebration like Christmas and Easter. If I ask them why not giving blood in mass (actually I was catholic before), they reply me that they are eating body itself which contains blood inside spiritually.
            Are they snakes which eats the whole lamb???. Did not Jesus broke the bread into pieces??? Did not Jesus give blood separately since His body will be shedding the blood outside while he will be hanging on the cross?? Did Jesus give each one to eat His whole body? or He gave a flesh from His Body?? Yes, He gave His flesh and blood separately representing that he will be sacrificed. Are these people eating the whole body of another Jesus, who is not sacrificed for our sins???.
            If i ask them, why then priest alone eats flesh and leavened wine in every mass separately??? They reply me nothing.
            After mass these catholic priest place a bigger Eucharist in a vessel holder to worship it. I asked them, what about something which you ate in mass just sometime before????. R.C people are idolators(someone who disobeys God’s new covenant and will, they are idolators). God is Spirit, He is Omnipresent. God wants us to be worshipping Him inside but not outside. People in the Old testament did not get such grace to become temple for God, but through the flesh and blood of Christ, God made us to be his temple, Jesus is the living tabernacle of the Everlasting new covenant of the Father, who lives inisde us because we are the temple of God. That’s the reason God told to mosses regarding passover feast food to be eaten, but not to remain outside. If it remains outside it should be burned.
            Did Jesus give on the passover feast to be eaten or to keep it outside for worshipping??? He gave it eat. Did Apostles kept it outside to worship?? No, never. Because they know it should be eaten, but not to keep outside.

            Do we have the Temple Inside??? No, because God made us to be His Temple. Do we have the tabernacle outside??? No, because we received Jesus inside us, the living Tabernacle for the Holy Father. Do we have the God, who wants to live outside and to be worshipped outside?? No, the old covenant has gone, the new covenant has been established. For the Scripture says, 1John 4:4, “for the One(God) who is in you is Greater than the one(satan) who is in the world”.

            Worship the one who is inside you, but not outside, because there is no tabernacle and temple for us outside.

            John 4:23-24
            “the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such as these to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”
            So, we can worship him wherever we go, because He is living inside us.

            Also, we have to give our body to become His temple, without giving our body to him How we can worship Him inside???
            Romans 12:1-2
            “….brothers and sisters, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual and reasonable worship. Do not be conformed to this age, but be transformed by the renewing of your minds, so that you may discern what is the will of God—what is the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

            Submit yourself as a living sacrifice, you cannot sacrifice Jesus again and again in your mass, what a shameful doctrine.
            Hebrews 7:27 =”Jesus has no need to offer sacrifices every day like other high priests do, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since He(Jesus) did this once for all when he sacrificed himself.

            Hebrews 9:25-28
            “nor was it that He would offer Himself [for sacrifice] often, as the [other] high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own. Otherwise, He(Jesus) would have needed to suffer [for sins] often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, so Christ also, having been offered [as Sacrifice] ONCE to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.

            Hebrews 13:15-16
            “Through Jesus then, let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that give thanks to His name. And do not neglect doing good and sharing, for with such sacrifices God is pleased.

            There is no wonder that some other denomational churches using leavened bread, if they try to to change people will go out of that community, even so the catholic church fears.

        3. I received your comment about the TRUE PRESENCE of Christ in the Eucharist. There was No REPLY Button. I’m not sure why that happens. I know that sometimes I see comments with No REPLY Button. Well, I will try to answer you, comment to what you say. You mentioned using LEAVENING in the Eucharist. As far as I know , the EASTERN Rite Churches use Leavening in their Eucharist (The ORTHODOX Catholic Churches), the ROMAN Rites (The RCC) does NOT. I read that several months ago, how the Orthodox Churches do it differently than the RCC. I know at the Church I go to, (RCC) Unleavened Bread is used. What I found in the article I saw today is that the Orthodox Catholic Churches use Leavening. What the article said : ” The Eastern tradition likens Yeast to the soul in the body…..The Soul gives life. The Soul gives life and therefore the “Living Bread’ of the Eucharist must have yeast.” The Western Church uses Unleavened Bread because that is what Christ used in the Last Supper.” That is from the article I found. I did check a site called YAHOO ANSWERS where people wrote in their understandings of this. One person said ” The Hosts are “Reserved” in the Tabernacle and typically consumed at the Next Mass” . This is true. I know that the Priests typically know from past experience, how many people are likely to Attend Mass. At the Church I go to, there is One Mass on Saturday, 2 on Sunday. The Church is often Packed. So, the chances of any NOT being Consumed, or many being left over, are unlikely. The ones left over are taken to Hospitals, to administer to patients, or to care Centers, to people’s homes, or for the Sacrament of the Sick. I did find a good article, a Blog called ASK THE PASTOR. The Author of the article is WALTER SNYDER. The Title of the Blog is: LEFTOVER COMMUNION ELEMENTS. The Date of the article (Blog) is Dec. 9, 2008. He starts this Blog by discussing what to do with Left-Over wine, then goes into the Eucharist Hosts at the end. At the end he says: ” Furthermore, I think that we do well to consider the Old Testament roots of the Eucharist. Christ intentionally chose the Passover as the meal upon which to base the New Testament of His body and blood. One of God’s commands for eating the Passover was that the lamb must be entirely consumed or destroyed: ” The lord said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt…’ You shall let none of it remain until the morning; anything that remains until morning you shall burn… it shall be eaten in one house; you shall not take any of the flesh outside the house. (EX. 12:1, 10, 46; Numbers 9:12; Deut. 16:4. All things considered, eating and drinking all of the body and blood before the close of the service is best………” There is more to the article. Like I said, the Eastern Rites (Orthodox) use Leavened bread in their Eucharist. The RCC does Not. And, also, the Priests usually know, from doing many , many masses, over many years, about how many hosts to consecrate, knowing about how many people usually come to Mass. And the Hosts that are left over go to Hospitals, for patients unable to get to Church to receive it, or for the Sacrament of the Sick, administered in hospitals or at homes. I don’t believe that there are many Left Over. Then , I could be wrong. You mentioned the Catholic Church in INDIA. I am sure that that is the EASTERN RITE (Orthodox). They DO use Leavened bread in their Hosts, but NOT the RCC. Also, I know that the Orthodox Churches are like the RCC Church in many ways, yet, they also Differ on several different areas. Maybe the ORTHODOX Churches have the “HAIL MARY” Prayer said at their Masses. The RCC does NOT. I should have thought of that in the beginning when you mentioned going to the Church in India. That would most likely be the ORTHODOX Church, Not the RCC. I will have to check to see what is done to Leftover Hosts. I actually don’t think that many are left over, for the reason I gave to you. I have a relative who lives in another state. His Church is much larger than mine, they have 4-5 Masses or maybe moire a day, so I cannot imagine too many being left over. Thanks for your info. Hopefully my info helps .

          1. Dear Sister,
            I was Roman Catholic before. I am not illiterate to say blindly. I don’t know what and all happening in Eastern Orthodox churches, because I grown in RC church. I am ready to defend for the Holy Scripture but not for denomination.

            I am giving answer for your comment weather to call pastor or Bishop. check it. God bless.

          2. I mentioned about the left over which RC church keeps for worship. It remains outside for worship. Sorry, if my English is not good, I am trying my best to explain the Truth.

        4. I received your comments. I’m not sure what you mean when you say that “The Left-Over hosts are Left Outside for Worship.” Sorry, I don’t know what “Left Outside ” means. The Left Over Hosts are put in the Tabernacle, Locked up AFTER they are used. They are sometimes taken to hospitals for people who are unable to make it to Mass, or taken to homes. I know that you mentioned that you don’t know much about Orthodox churches. I didn’t either, yet I looked them up and learned a little about them. The Orthodox Catholic Churches use Leavened hosts, the RCC don’t. They have a lot in common with the RCC. Thanks

          1. Dear Sister, I am speaking about the Church which has Salesian (Don Bosco) congregation, I am speaking about the church which has “Jesuit congregation”, I am speaking about the church where Mother Treasa (kolkata, India) belongs to. I am speaking about the church which had John Paul II as pope. I am not speaking blindly.

            I did not said leavened Eucharist in mass, I said leavened wine in Mass. The Roman catholic Churches in India usually wont give wine at every mass. Only priest drinks that leavened wine at every mass. Only at the rare occasions like Easter and Christmas, people will get that leavened wine(Wine with spirit and Alcoholic).

            I was speaking about Eucharistic Adoration which they keep outside and places inside the solar monstrance, also known as an ostensorium (or an ostensory), is the vessel used in Roman Catholic church during Eucharistic adoration. I hope now you would have understood. Read my previous comment regrading Eucharist that left outside for worship.

        5. Thanks for your explanation. However, in your first explanation, you didn’t make it clear that you were talking about Leavened WINE and Not Leavened Eucharist. At least it wasn’t clear to me. Also, isn’t ALL Wine leavened? Why don’t people just say “wine.’ Wine is leavened, grape juice isn’t. The Eucharist contains the Body AND Blood of Christ. Some choose Not to drink the wine. They only take the host. Thanks.

          1. keeping that Eucharist to remain outside for worship is stamping the will of the new covenant. Worship Him inside, not outside. Those who worship outside are idolators because they have stamped the new covenant will.

        6. I was Re-reading what you wrote about the Eucharist. YOU DID talk about the Eucharist NOT being Leavened. You were not just talking about the Leavened WINE. You wrote: ” Is not Paul literally saying that the prepared Bread AND Wine should not be leavened? Yes. So, That is why I thought that you were Not only talking about the Wine, But the bread, too. And, thanks. I do know that when Paul was talking about “Not with the Old Leaven” he was referring to Sin. I tried to explain to someone else a few months back, that the Yeast, the Old Leaven he was referring to was referring to Sin.

          1. “not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness..”

            Is not malice and wickedness is sin????? then why Paul is contrasting using “not” & “nor”???

        7. You also mentioned that “Only on rare occasions” like Christmas and Easter, the people drink the LEAVENED Wine. If it’s NOT Right to drink the Leavened Wine, WHY let them do it at ALL? if it’s Wrong, it should be WRONG ALL the Time. Why allow them to EVEN Do it at all? I don’t mean to sound like I am trying to argue. If it’s WRONG, it should NEVER be Allowed. Not allowed on “Special” occasions. I know that in the Church I go to, you don’t Have to drink the wine. Not everyone does. Some may do it on “Special occasions” like the Church that you are referring to. if it’s Wrong to have Wine at Mass, it should be Wrong ALL the time. if it’s Allowed on special occasions, then it IS ALLOWED. Thanks

        8. Sorry, I still don’t understand What you mean when you say that we should NOT Worship “outside.’ The Monstrance is IN THE CHURCH, Not outside. The host that is displayed in the monstrance is Not Left OUTSIDE. It is IN the Church, Not Outside. The host that is displayed in the monstrance is Placed back in the Tabernacle, which is INSIDE the Church, Not Outside.

        9. I forgot to answer your one comment. You asked whether I had ever seen people with Diabetes, who had Parts Cut off. I have seen plenty of that. I worked at a hospital for 44 years, retired almost 2 years ago. I have cared for many patients who were diabetic, and ones who had Amputations of legs, toes, feet. I have actually seen it all. Thanks

        10. I was going over your comment again. You mentioned that Catholics ” Sacrifice Jesus again and Again in your Mass, what a Shameful Doctrine!” The Mass Does NOT Sacrifice Jesus over and over again! Some like to use the word RESACRIFICE, or the word RECRUCIFIXION. Jesus does NOT die Over and Over again! It is Not a Recrucifixion, or a Resacrifice. It is a RE-PRESENTATION. A RE-PRESENTATION of the One Sacrifice which Jesus made. It is NOT the CRUCIFIED Christ that is in the Eucharist, but the RISEN Christ that is present in the Eucharist. You say that you believe in the TRUE PRESENCE of Christ in the Eucharist!?? That is WHY people say that Catholics Recrucify Jesus over and over again. It is NOT True, that Jesus is being Resacrificed over and over again. Just curious, since you believe in the TRUE PRESENCE of Jesus in the Eucharist…..you Must be Catholic? Catholics are the Only ones who believe in the True Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. I have Never heard of any Non-Catholics who believe that. And if you would check LEGITIMATE Catholic Sites, you might understand that they DO NOT say that Jesus dies over and over again. CATHOLIC ANSWERS is a good site that explains this. A lot of people don’t seem to understand this, or some Don’t WANT to even TRY to understand. You also mentioned that we should Offer Ourselves as a Living Sacrifice. TRUE. I do that all the time. Yet, the Mass, the Sacrifice of the Mass (Eucharist) is Foretold in the Prophesies of MALACHI in the Old Testament. Malachi tells us of the coming of Jesus. He also tells us that Jesus would Reject the Bloody Sacrifice of the Jews, and would institute a New PURE OFFERING ( The Eucharist), that would be necessary to be done universally. This is an UNBLOODY SACRIFICE. Jesus did away with the need for BLOODY Sacrifices, but NOT Unbloody. The Eucharist is an Unbloody Sacrifice. A RE-PRESENTATION of the One Sacrifice of Jesus. Jesus died ONCE for all, the Catholic Church teaches that. They do NOT Teach that the Eucharist is a RE-SACRIFICE, it is a RE-PRESENTATION of the One Sacrifice that Jesus did for us on the cross. Hope you understand. You can easily find out by checking LEGITIMATE Catholic Sites. Catholic Answers is a good one, also Catholic Bible 101. Hope these sites will help you to understand it better. You also mentioned “FOOD, Left over, being Unsafe.” Sure, SOME Food are Unsafe if Left over. The Jews used to sacrifice Animals, in a Bloody Sacrifice TO God. Sure, a lamb or a goat, if LEFT OVER can hurt you. BUT, A Communion (Eucharist) Host, made with Unleavened Bread, will NOT HURT you if left a Few Days. The hosts are NOT Left over. IF they are Left-Over for a Few Days, that cannot be compared to people leaving a Cooked ANIMAL over for days. There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between a host made with Unleavened bread and a Cooked ANIMAL. They can spoil and make a person SICK! You say that you BELIEVE in the TRUE PRESENCE of Jesus in the EUCHARIST! Do you really think a host that CONTAINS the TRUE PRESENCE of Jesus can really Make you SICK? IF you think that the Host that Contains JESUS will actually make you SICK…..You better really Think that OVER Again. You either accept the True Presence of Jesus of in the Eucharist, or you Don’t. I would NEVER say that that Host, With JESUS would really make me sick. I accept the TRUE Presence, and I trust that, in Receiving the host, and I TRUST that Jesus will Not make me Sick.

          1. FSHS DISCIPLES (APA)

            Can you sacrifice the Risen Christ???? How many times Risen Christ have to die through unbloody sacrifice???
            Because you were telling that it is unbloody sacrifice.

            When you have flesh and blood of Christ at hand, why there is a need to sacrifice the unbloody Risen Christ????

            If Eucharist is the representation of the Risen Lord, why he have to be sacrificed again and again as unbloody sacrifice in all your mass????

            In one of your previous comment(December 8, 2015 at 10:53 am) you said that “The Eucharist contains the Blood of Christ”, it means unbloody sacrifice of the bloody Eucharist, is it??

            Total Contradiction within the catholic doctrine itself.

            I have gone through the Catechism of the Catholic Church in the below url address.
            (Reference: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P41.HTM)
            V. The Sacramental Sacrifice Thanksgiving, Memorial, Presence
            #1364. “……….’Christ our Pasch has been sacrificed’ is celebrated on the altar, the work of our
            redemption is carried out.”

            Note the words: “….on the altar, the work of our redemption is carried out.”
            what a blasphemy against the Sacrifice of Christ on the cross, which he did at once to redeem all souls.
            Is it the work of the redemption is not over on the cross?????
            On the altar the redemption is carried out again and again on every mass????

            #1367 The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice: “The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different.” “In this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner.”

            who gave the rights to these priests to manually offer the Risen Christ as sacrifice????

            Did not Jesus give bread and drink separately i.e., through the finished sacrifice He gives flesh and blood separately??? How do you say Eucharist has the blood of Christ??? Having faith on the unsacrificed Jesus????

            I read all the chapters in Malachi twice after your comment and could not find a universal unbloody sacrifice.
            Where do you find a scripture saying unbloody sacrifice of the Risen Christ in the new Testament??? When did Apostles preached such gospel??? When did apostles sacrificed such sacrifice????

            I am not a Roman catholic, I follow the words of the Holy Spirit. I believe that the flesh and blood is the true food and drink because Jesus said that.
            Even, Holy Spirit says from Paul in 1Corinthians 11:29-30, “For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep”.

        11. I have not had access to a computer for a few days, as mine was sent back for repairs. You left me a message saying that you checked MALACHI, and Could Not Find a verse where it says UNBLOODY Sacrifice. The word Unbloody is Not Used. Yet, it is Understood by most to mean Unbloody sacrifice. Right now I don’t have access to a Bible, but, when I find it, when I get back home, I will provide the verses. One verse in Malachi tells us how Jesus would REJECT the BLOODY Sacrifices of the Jews. The next verse, Malachi tells us that a PURE OFFERING (Sacrifice) would be necessary, and would be done Universally. I am sure you know that JESUS was the ULTIMATE Bloody Sacrifice. It was no longer needed to offer animals, like lambs and goats to God, like the Jews used to do. So, again, the two verses tell is how Jesus would REJECT the sacrifices of the Jews. The sacrifices of the Jews were BLOODY Sacrifices!! Jesus DID AWAY with the NEED for these BLOODY SACRIFICES, as HE was the ULTIMATE BLOODY SACRIFICE!! Then, the Next verse tells us how a NEW PURE OFFERING (Sacrifice) would be needed Universally. Do you think this New Sacrifice was BLOODY? No. Common Sense tells us that the NEW Sacrifice needed will be UNBLOODY! Hope you understand. The verse may not say UNBLOODY, but we Know that it is. It tells us how Jesus would DO AWAY with the sacrifices of the Jews. Those sacrifices were BLOODY. The New Sacrifice, foretold in Malachi would Have to be Unbloody!! The New Sacrifice sure would NOT be BLOODY. This NEW Sacrifice, AFTER Jesus died—–is Unbloody! And PURE Sacrifice means Unbloody!! Hope you see it. Again, Jesus is NOT Sacrificed over and over, He does NOT DIE over and over. It is a RE-PRESENTATION of that One Sacrifice Jesus made. look it up on CATHOLIC ANSWERS if you haven’t already. The Eucharist, the Unbloody Sacrifice of the mass, the Eucharist, is Foretold in MALACHI.

          1. The OT animal offering for sin were clearly a pre leading up to the real Messiah sin offering Why do ppl think God tells the Israelites repeatedly that he doesn’t take pleasure in the animal sin offerings? Think about it he personally made whatever worldly thing that you would offer him. Also think about the fact that from day one the Lord has told man sin causes an leads to death.

            Obviously those OT animal sin offering were suppose to be a learning tool. Sin causes destruction an death basically something has to die as a result of continual sin. Man needs an depends on those animals not the Lord. So one would logically think man would get tired of having to kill something that is actually beneficial to him an not God directly. While also literally reminding Man of what God repeatedly told them an that is. The lord telling us he has set the way of life an death before us so choose which one you want BC I gave you freewill. Pretty much an also Gods way of telling us look in the OT days I required animal offering for atonement. Then I sent my son as the atonement offering as well as be the way an he was without sin.

            So now that which must die or pay the price for continually an willingly sinning is you or better yet your soul. Must eventually be destroyed an when we are all standing during judgement. Now the Lord can actually hand you your just due reward in all fairness an righteousness. Seeing how you made your choice while you were among the living yet you didn’t realize it. Bc you thought God was not actually real or you simply decided to not accept it.

        12. I told you that I would supply the verse in MALACHI, which tells how Jesus would institute an UNBLOODY Sacrifice. Like I told you, the word Unbloody is NOT Used, yet, it means exactly that. In MALACHI I: Verses 10, and Verse 11, it tells us of that. In Verse 10, it tells us how Jesus would REJECT the SACRIFICES of the Jews. As you are most likely aware, the Jews offered Bloody Sacrifices. Those Bloody sacrifices were Rejected by Jesus. He was the Ultimate Bloody Sacrifice. They were No Longer needed. He, the Lamb of God, did away with the need for such Bloody Sacrifices. Verse 11, tells of a New OFFERING (Sacrifice) That will be necessary. We KNOW that that New Sacrifices, described in MALACHI I: 11, HAS to be Unbloody. We know that Jesus would NOT Institute a BLOODY Sacrifice. The NEW OFFERING has to be Unbloody! Hope this explains it. We don’t Need to See the Word Unbloody to understand it.

          1. FSHS DISCIPLES (APA)

            I have gone through the Catechism of the Catholic Church in the below url address.
            (Reference: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P41.HTM)
            V. The Sacramental Sacrifice Thanksgiving, Memorial, Presence
            #1364. “……….’Christ our Pasch has been sacrificed’ is celebrated on the altar, the work of our
            redemption is carried out.”

            Note the words: “….on the altar, the work of our redemption is carried out.”
            what a blasphemy against the Sacrifice of Christ on the cross, which he did at once to redeem all souls.
            Is it the work of the redemption is not over on the cross?????
            On the altar the redemption is carried out again and again on every mass????

            Your unbloody sacrifice of the bloody Eucharist or Sacrificing the Risen Lord is not evident in the scripture.

        13. A while ago, you mentioned that the Catholic Church should NOT offer an Unbloody Sacrifice of Jesus in the Eucharist. Actually, Jesus told us to Do it, at the Last Supper. Jesus broke bread and said “Do this in memory of Me.” There are also verses comparing Jesus to the High Priest . Melchizadek in the Old Testament. I know that there is a verse saying that Jesus is a “High Priest, in the order of Melchizadek.” And a High Priest, like Melchizadek, offers bread and Wine to God Forever. So, the Eucharist is Totally Biblical. The Eucharist is foretold in MALACHI 1:11 where he tells us that Jesus would initiate a New, Pure OFFERING, that would be necessary universally. Jesus, being the Ultimate High Priest, in the order of Melchizadek, offers bread and wine forever. Jesus told us to do it, “In Memory of Me.” So, while the priest does it on earth, because Jesus said to, Jesus is offering bread and wine in Heaven (unbloody).

        1. The Apostles did Not take it literally….the part about “Call No man Father.” They referred to Themselves as Fathers. And the verse “Call No man Father” , If you read Far enough into it, it says Not to call anyone “TEACHERS.” I know that some Non-Catholics call their ministers “Teachers.” They don’t read into it to see that they are doing the same thing. They Ignore the part about TEACHER and focus on the word FATHER. Not saying you. But if you know anyone who calls their ministers “Teacher” , and they run the Catholic Church down for calling the priests ‘Father” tell them to read further into that verse. Again, the Apostles referred to themselves as “Fathers.” They understood what that really meant. I find it almost funny when people choose to Focus on One Verse, such as the one “Call No Man Father”, use it against the Church, when they Ignore other verses.

          1. Yes, do not call anyone as Teachers, do not call anyone as Father, Do not call anyone as Pastor or Bishop. I am a defender for the sake of Holy Scripture. 2Corinthians 10:3-5 says,
            “For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh, for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses. We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ.”

            Did Jesus claimed that He is that Holy Father???
            in John 17:11 Jesus prays for His disciples like this,
            “…Holy Father, protect them..”

            Did not Paul claimed, “Am I not an Apostle??? Yes, he did. Weather did he claimed, “Am I not a Holy Father??? No, he did not claimed like that.

            As you said that many Apostles claimed the title father,
            in 1 Corinthians 4:15 (NKJV)
            “For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

            He wrote this in his letters in order to show that he is like a father, who cares and nurture those who have believed the Gospel that he has sown in them.
            Ok, did he ever used the title Father before his name???? Did anyone at his time ever call him as Father Paul??? He did not claimed such titles like your people, nor did any people given him the title Father before his name during his time. Who are the culprits now??? who twist the scripture now??? Roman Catholic or Holy Scripture???.

            Paul used the word Apostle as an Honorable title only in the Introduction part of most of his letters in order to show that the letter is not from any other paul, instead from Paul himself, who is called to be an Apostle. I am speaking as per the context of his letters.

            Even if you say that you are right, you people only call pope as holy father, but not any other priest. So, this does not looks like central figure for that title??? Is it not a blasphemy against God, the one and only Holy Father???

            Show me one verse as the prefix title Father or Holy Father for any Apostle.

            Matthew 10:25
            “It is enough for the disciple that he become like his teacher, and the slave like his master.

            since a disciple becomes like his teacher, is it right to take the title Teacher????No..
            is it right to claim the title master, since he act like the master????No… Do not call like that.
            Matthew 10:24
            “A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master.

            Matthew 5:48
            “…Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”
            So, can we claim that title Father before our name???? No.

            Matthew 23:9
            “….you have One Father..”
            Give that glorious title only to God, Jesus Christ always calls God with that title. This name cannot be given as title before any name as prefix. God alone is our ONE and ONLY Holy Father.

            Matthew 23:8
            “…One is your Teacher..”

            Matthew 23:10
            “…One is your Leader..”

            Do Roman Catholic have only one pope or two popes??? you have only one. Then why you people always wants to twist the scripture just to comfort your cult traditions???

        2. You brought up that we should also not call people “Pastor”. I usually don’t hear Catholics calling their priests “Pastor”. They may be Pastors of the Church, but I haven’t heard any addressed as “Pastor.” I have heard Protestants call their ministers “Pastors.” I once attended a little Non-Denominational Christian Church where almost everyone called their pastor “Pastor Bob.” I’ll have to look that up. I don’t believe that I have heard of a verse saying not to call a man “Pastor.” I know in the early Christian Church there were Bishops. I believe the term Bishop is Biblical. I don’t recall a verse saying not to call a man “Bishop.”

          1. Actually, I commented commonly for all, since you were pointing me to tell “not to call teachers” for protestants.

            Shepherd means Pastor, Overseer(Bishop). You can check the etymology for Pastor and Bishop. Bishop and Pastor is nothing but the word “Shepherd”.
            1Peter 2:25
            For you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd(Pastor) and Overseer(Bishop) of your souls.

            John 10:16
            “I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become ONE FLOCK with ONE SHEPHERD (ONE PASTOR or ONE BISHOP).

            Ezekiel 34:23
            “Then I will set over them ONE SHEPHERD, My servant David(Jesus), and he will feed them; he will feed them himself and be their shepherd.

            Ezekiel 37:24
            “My servant David(Jesus) will be king over them, and they will all have ONE SHEPHERD..”

            We have One and Only Shepherd.
            If we have One Shepherd or One Pastor or One Bishop, do we call some other one as Shepherd or Pastor or Bishop????

            Did not your people calls the pope as the only pope right??? they are not calling some other one equal to him right??? I am not saying calling pope is right because pope=father, Jesus did not give that prefix title to be equal with OUR HOLY FATHER.

            We can do the work of the prophet, bishop, or any work in Christ, but cannot take it as prefix title.

            Since, our character changes into Christ day by day can we call ourselves “I am the Christ”???
            I mean not to take as prefix title for any work in Christ. We are all brothers and sisters.

            Just to recognize which Peter, which Paul they used titles in introductary parts of their letters as Apostle and Elder, but not trying to show that they won that title as Honor. Sometimes even they did not used those title names when combining their names with others. What a great humble people we have.

            1Peter 2:5,9
            “you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ”. “…you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God’s OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.

            Those who work for The Truth cannot be called priest???

            Matthew 23:12
            “Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled; and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted.

            God bless you.

        3. I found out a little more about the MONSTRANCE, which is used in Catholic Mass. You mention the Eucharist being left “Outside.” AFTER the service, the Mass is over, the Eucharist, the consecrated host, is NOT left Outside in the Monstrance. The host that is displayed in the monstrance is Put BACK in the tabernacle. It is Not left outside, in the monstrance. The Eucharistic host, that is displayed In the Monstrance, is NOT left there, left outside, the host is placed BACK in the Tabernacle and Locked, so no one outside the priest can get it. I’m not sure if you thought that the host in the monstrance is just LEFT THERE. so anyone can come in and take it. It is NOT just left there, left Outside. It is not just left there after Mass. it is returned TO the Tabernacle, Not LEFT OUTSIDE.

          1. According to new covenant there is no tabernacle outside, there is no temple outside, there should be no worship outside to see the tabernacle in the temple.
            Jeremiah 3:16
            “It shall be in those days…………. declares the LORD, “they will no longer say, ‘The ark of the covenant of the LORD.’ And it will not come to mind, nor will they remember it, nor will they miss it, nor will it be made again”.

            Did you not transformed into God’s temple?? you don’t have the Living Tabernacle(Jesus) inside you???? Are you not worshipping God in Spirit and Truth??

            why do we need something called outside worship, which is against the will of the new covenant??

        4. Why are we keep talking about Mary we all knew Mary special favor from God that’s it but important thing we should be sharing how to get to heaven Jesus the Way Truth and Life you can finish the verse. only one God deserve all our praise and worship. I grew up Catholic my whole family Catholic but I thank God now they finally know the truth and the truth will set you free do you see we just need to pray for our family friends who are still lost because Jesus is coming soon.. God bless..

    4. in a prior note, you asked me whether I was praying to the Holy Spirit. Then you made a comment about “Unless you are Sealed with the Holy Spirit…” Confirmation, one of the sacraments, does that, SEALS you with the Holy Spirit. And it is Totally Biblical. And do I understand you to say that we should Not pray Directly to the Father? The “Our Father”, the Lord’s Prayer is said Directly to God, the Father. Just curious, do you accept the idea of the Trinity, the Three Persons in One God? I do. Thanks

      1. You prayer cannot be answered by God directly, if you don’t have the Holy Spirit. To Speak with God, It must be like two way communication of mobile phone. That’s the reason we received the Holy Spirit. When Cornaelius prayed who came to answer him, God answered him directly??? No, angel came with the answer of God. Later, Did not he received Holy Spirit through Apostle Peter??Yes, later only he received. Lord Jesus prayed to Father directly that’s why we have His Spirit now to speak to Father directly and receiving His answers directly. If you say that you are praying or speaking to Mary then it reflects the action of Saul, who died because of curse, because it was counted as evil in the sight of God, and so, the spirit of Samuel did not give him the good news, rather prophesied that he will die for disobeying God’s ordinance.

    5. I just looked up “Eastern Orthodox” Church in India. According to what I found, the Orthodox Church of India is not called Eastern Orthodox, but simply called Orthodox Church of India, and is a part of the ORIENTAL ORTHODOX Churches. So, not sure if the Church you attended was an Orthodox Church, or a RCC. I know that there are differences. I also found out that the Eastern Orthdox Churches does Not call their service a MASS, but a Divine Liturgy. I know that it is much like the RCC Mass. And you are most likely aware that the term Catholic can mean the Orthodox Churches, or the RCC. And again, the RCC does Not use Leavened Bread in their Eucharist. Thanks

    6. I noticed you said that you are away from the Catholic church, and it’s “Laws and Traditions” that go against God’s words. ” Actually, NONE of it’s traditions go against God’s words. The Sacraments are ALL Biblical. I know that some like to say that they are Not….that makes it easier to rationalize Leaving the Church. A while ago, I was discussing the Sacrament of Confirmation with a friend. Confirmation comes After Baptism. It used to be that children received Confirmation when they were older. I believe that I was around 11-12 when I was Confirmed. Today, I believe that they are younger. With Confirmation, you are Fully SEALED with the Holy Spirit. Most likely YOU were Confirmed. With Confirmation, you were Fully Sealed with the Holy Spirit.

    7. Amen!!!!! The Catholic Church does not encourage reading the Bible because if their blind followers would their eyes would be opened to the fact that they are in a pagan, man made church that teaches paganism…… Matthew 6 —– Jesus tells us not to pray like the pagans with their repeatative words thinking their many words will save them….. I pray all Catholics are led by THE HOLY SPIRIT to the truth and get out of that sinful false Christian church….

  19. I dont understand the doctrine if catholics. I reject all your doctrines. In.the Bible there is no such thing like Hail mary? Where is it written in the Bible.

    John 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake. 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

    That is said in the Bible not what you.are preaching to people. Thats a false church this one.

    1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

    Mary is not the mediator between man and God. This religion of yours is false. PEOPLE SHOULD WAKE UP UPON.THIS LIE. AS I INSERED THIS ARTICLE WAYS TO ERASE IT WILL NOT BE FRIUTFUL.



    1. Actually, HAIL, Mary Is Biblical. In LUKE 1:28 The Angel Greets Mary with the word “HAIL” He is SPEAKING TO Mary. The Angel said, TO Mary “Hail, Full of Grace.” It was originally “Hail, Full of Grace” , then it was Changed to “Highly Favored Daughter.” In the Hail Mary prayer, it does start out “Hail, Mary” as it is Understood that the Angel was Speaking TO Mary. It was pointed out to me that the verse, ‘Hail, Full of Grace” or ‘Hail, Highly Favored Daughter” is the ONLY Verse,, where an Angel GREETS a human with a greeting of Real Respect! No other verse, and there are several where Angels GREET people…this is the Only Verse where an Angel Greets a person with respect. Angels just DID NOT do that! Respect was Given TO Angels, yet not Angels TO people, EXCEPT in the Greeting of the Angel TO Mary. Angels were at a Higher Level than humans, being that they were spiritual beings, who resided in heaven, and communed with God, Worshiped God. Angels were, as I said, at a Higher level than man, as they were INCORRUPTIBLE, unlike man, who was CORRUPTIBLE. I used to focus on the words “Full of Grace” using the logic that you cannot be more FULL, than FULL OF. It was pointed out to me that I was focusing on the WRONG WORDS. I should have focused on the word “HAIL” which is a greeting of REAL RESPECT from an Angel to a person (Mary). Some may say that the angel was being respectful TO Mary, only because of the MESSAGE he was giving her, that she would be giving birth to Jesus. But, when he gave the message to Mary, she wasn’t pregnant yet. IF it was only because of the Message, he would have shown the SAME respect TO Joseph, yet he didn’t. The Angel appeared to Joseph, in a dream, told him that Mary would be giving birth to Jesus. He did Not say ” Hail, Joseph” The verse where the Angel Greets Mary, and says “HAIL” is the Only Verse where an Angel greets a person with the Word “Hail” , with any kind of RESPECT. There are several verses where Angels greet people, none with the Respect shown TO Mary. The word HAIL should make us think. Why does an angel show MARY Respect like that, and No one else? Maybe because she is INCORRUPTIBLE? The Bible tells us that he was showing her respect, a thing Angels just DID NOT do to People. Sometimes One Word can tell us a lot.

      1. Luke 1:28 says,
        “gratia cumulata”—-“Having been much graced (by God)” is the literal translation of the Greek words “χαίρω χαριτόω”.

        But, “Blessed are you among women” do not exist in the older authorities.

        Mary is a much graced one as she found the high favour of God, but she cannot give grace to anyone as she is not having the full of grace, which God alone has. She gave birth to the Son of God, who has FULL of Grace.

        John 1:16-17
        From the fullness of his(Jesus) grace we have all(including mary) received one blessing after another. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

        since Angel gave respect to mary, is it,she should be venerated more than Jesus??? Catholics venerates Mary more than Jesus and its the idol worship.

        1. You claim that Catholics venerate Jesus MORE than Mary. Could you tell me in Which part of the Mass Mary is Worshiped, Put Above Jesus? Actually, No Place in the Mass is she Worshiped, or put Above Jesus. The Mass is OFFERED to GOD/JESUS only. The “Hail Mary” Prayer is NOT said at Mass. IF she was truly put above God, above Jesus, it would be said. The LORD’S PRAYER, which is said DIRECTLY to God is recited at Every Mass. Also, the Nicene Creed. You will NEVER, ever hear the Mass Offered to Mary. People who claim that Catholics worship Mary, put her Above Jesus, usually have No Response when this is brought up. IF Catholics truly Put Mary Above Jesus, it would be IN THE MASS. It Isn’t, not at all.

          1. Why the devotion to her in the first place?

            It would seem like a stump question, but, no. Catholics DO worship Mary. You wanna know why?
            The only wrong thing here is the Roman Catholicism itself.

            The Roman Catholic’s Mary is called:
            Holy Mary.
            Holy Mother of GOD.
            Holy Virgin of Virgins.
            Mother of Christ.
            Mother of the Church.
            Mother of Divine Grace.
            Mother Most Pure.
            Mother Most Chaste.
            Most of her damnable titles isn’t mentioned in the Bible.

            HOLY Mother of GOD? Holy Virgin of Virgins? It was not mentioned in the Bible at all! God doesn’t have a mother!

            “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.” – Revelation 1:8 (KJV)

            Remember, this is the LORD saying these lines. If God has a mother, then the verse above would not make any sense. But the title, “Mother of Christ” is biblically correct. And DON’T start arguing with me that ‘but God the Father and God the Son (Jesus) are one’. That’s why we have a GODHEAD. There is ONE God in THREE persons. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. They are all different from each other, seeing as God the Father is the Creator, God the Son is the Saviour and God the Holy Spirit is the Comforter/Paraclete. Yet they are the same because they are ONE God.

            It’s like 3-in-1!

            So what about the “Holy Virgin of Virgins” thing? In fact, Mary DID NOT remain a virgin afterwards. We see that in Matthew 13:55.

            “Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?” – Matthew 13:55 (KJV)

            And no. Mary did only a minor role. She was never mentioned in the Bible again not until in the beginning of Acts. If she had a major role, then her life and death would be mentioned.
            Back at answering your questions, the Catholics (Most of them, some don’t even care) worship the Roman Catholic Mary. In fact. they have this type of worship.

            Latria – worship given to God.
            Dulia – veneration given to the saints.
            Hyperdulia – ‘special’ veneration given to the supposedly Queen of Heaven.

            Seriously, God doesn’t like playing word games. When He tells something, He means it. Whatever you do, WORSHIP is still WORSHIP.

            “I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.” – Isaiah 42:8 (KJV)

            God will not give the praise that righteously belongs to Him! Especially to graven images (idols)! God the Father is our Spiritual Father! Mary is not everyone’s mother! She didn’t created you! God did!

            “Before I (God) formed thee in the belly I knew thee;” – Jeremiah 1:5 (KJV)

            Speaking of ‘queen of heaven’, as you might know the title “Queen of Heaven” originated from pagan goddesses such as Astarte, Isis, ect. is ALSO mentioned in the Bible.

            “The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.” – Jeremiah 7:18 (KJV)

            See? Isn’t Roman Catholic’s Mary called “Queen of Heaven”? God is angry about it! God is not pleased with you when you venerate Roman Catholic Mary to something HIGH like a Queen, Co-redempter, a Goddess and some other nonsense stuff! You are provoking God to anger.

            And you ask, “But what about the (so-called) apparitions appearing all over the world?”

            This verse will certainly refute that:

            “[14] And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. [15] It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.” 2 Corinthians 11:14-15 (KJV)

            Satan disguises himself as an angel of light to deceive people! His fallen angels can also do that. Truly, he is a lying wonder!

            The Mary Apparitions appearing all over the world are VERY real. But they are not of God. When Lord Jesus Christ stated in John 19:30, “It is finished.”, He didn’t say, “It is finished… but wait… my mother will appear in 1884, 1930, ect.” NO He didn’t say that.

            This is just the tip o’ the iceberg.

            With all the Mary Apparitions appearing all over the globe, many people are deceived by Satan and his fallen angels. The devoted Marian followers prove so that they worship the Roman Catholic Mary. They touch her images, hoping to receive some special grace. Then they PRAY to her.

            The Bible plainly states that, “For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.” – Eclesiastes 9:5 (KJV)

            The dead know nothing! They don’t even have conciousness! So if you are praying to Mary or the saints, they could not hear you for they are DEAD! As far as I know Mary of the Bible is DEAD.

            She was not bodily assumed, because she was sinful!

            “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:” – Romans 3:10 (KJV)

            The Mary of the Bible is a virtuous mortal woman who is sinful and needed a saviour.

            The Mary of the Roman Catholicism is a sinless virgin who was like a goddess. She doesn’t need a saviour, as she is sinless. She is also called by many names, mainly the Holy Virgin of Virgins, Mother of God, and other damnable heresies. And this woman was worshipped by millions of Catholics led astray by Satan and his angels.

            ” [3] So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

            [4] And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
            [5] And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.” – Revelation 17:3-5 (KJV)

            Sounds familiar? How about this:

            “Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.”
            – Isaiah 47:1 (KJV)

            Sounds even MORE familiar? This is what God warns us about her:

            “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” – Revelation 18:4 (KJV)

            Why the devotion to her in the first place?

            I hope you find the Truth.

          2. Dear Sister,
            I did spoke with the broad picture but not with the small perspecctive of only mass alone. Your consciousness have to tell weather Mary is been put over Jesus or not, may be you place Jesus above Mary, but most of catholic peoples are not taught like that. where that kind of devotional teaching came in roman catholic??? I am not finding fault with those innocent peoples. Those kind of wrong teaching were taught by so called hierarchial officers in RC church even when you say such doctrines are not there. Their devotion comes just to save their crooked faith and tradition. I am not saying all are teaching that, but they are partakers by being silent to teach the Truth explicitly. Are you teaching explicitly to the people who are very much devoted to Mary that she is lower than Jesus??.

            Even after finishing your mass, the ending hail mary prayer says that you are still sinners. That’s the reason your mass is focused with continual of sins in your consiousness and sacrifice of Jesus everytime you gather, who is not the saviour. We are not teaching that kind of Jesus, who is the not saviour but We are teaching about the Jesus Christ who saves us from all sins in our conscious on the day when we took baptism, so we took such kind of baptism and accepted such kind of saviour in our hearts.

            Your mass, your Jesus and your Mary are totally different from the Holy Scripture teaches. We teach the Jesus what the scripture says, we see the saints according to the Holy Scripture. Please you have to give account for those inncocent souls, please dont play with those souls which was given by God, please dont push them into the lake of fire without allowing them to know the fullness of Christ. All they hear and grow is from man made tradition and powerless Jesus, who lives in idols and not a saviour.

            you will be doubly accountable if they are not allowed to abide the Truth.

        2. I just noticed a comment of yours which said ” Even After your MASS, the ENDING Hail Mary prayer says that you are still Sinners.’ The ENDING HAIL MARY PRAYER? The Hail Mary is NOT said at Mass. It is NOT Part of the Mass! I was actually away from the Church for over 40 years. I started going back to Mass about 2 years ago. The Hail Mary prayer is NOT part of the Mass, is not Recited at Mass. Where did you hear that? In an Anti-Catholic site? Anti-Catholic sites do tell lies, many lies, and people fall for them. The Mass is OFFERED TO GOD/JESUS Only! The Hail Mary is Not an ending prayer to the Mass, or an opening prayer. IF you are so Sure, GO to a Mass if you never have. You will NOT hear the Hail Mary as an ending prayer, or a beginning prayer. Now, some people may come in with a rosary and pray it Before Mass—–The Hail Mary is NOT a Prayer of the Mass. The Lord’s prayer is recited at Every Mass, also the Nicene Creed, NEVER the Hail Mary prayer. Never!

          1. I was a Roman Catholic formerly, in south India during mass ending they used to say Hail Mary prayer. So , I mentioned it.
            Anyway, the R.C people have the consciousness of sin in their mind even after their mass because they will keep saying that they are still sinners from that hail mary prayer at church or home after that mass.

        3. Thanks for your answer RE. the Mass in India. I didn’t know that and I thank you. I do know that at the Mass I go to, the Church I go to, the ‘Hail Mary” prayer is Not said. During Mass, that is. Now, that Church in India is Not doing it right. The “Hail Mary” Prayer should Not be said at Mass. Some churches do things that they should Not do. The same as some Non-Catholic Churches do things that they should Not do. Do you live in the U.S? Go to a Mass. I am willing to bet that you won’t hear the ‘Hail Mary” recited at Mass. Another comment/question RE. the ‘Hail Mary” prayer being said at Mass…..was it actually Part of the Mass itself, or did people stay After the Mass and say it? I do know that some Churches have a praying of the Rosary Before Mass, but once the Mass starts, it is Not said as a Part of the Mass. I am not meaning to argue with you. You are the one who attended Church in India. Did the “Hail Mary” prayer actually happen DURING the Actual mass, or was it AFTER, After it was over? Did people stay and do it? if it was DURING the actual Mass, that should Not have been. In my opinion, anyway. The “Hail Mary” Prayer has No Place in the Mass. Thanks

        4. I received your message Regarding statues. You mentioned that a person looking at statues might have the image of the statue stuck in their mind. True, it Could happen. Could the same thing be said about MUSIC in a Church? Maybe the song gets stuck in their heads. Could that be bad? maybe. Recently I was reading a blog. A man was writing about Statues in Catholic Church, and Music. He said that he went into a Penecostal Church. He mentioned that the Church was barren, no images, no statues, no artwork. Yet, in front of the Church was a $20,000 Yamaha Organ. As the music played, he noticed people RAISING THEIR ARMS up in the air. He thought to himself, “Are they Worshiping GOD. or are they Worshiping the MUSIC? He said if he asked them, they would probably say that they are “Worshiping God THROUGH the Music.” Music an ART FORM, the same as Statues are an ART FORM. He also mentioned a pastor of a church STOPPED MUSIC in his Church for several months, because he Knew that they were WORSHIPING the MUSIC, and NOT WORSHIPING God. Could MUSIC in a Church be a Problem, kind of like Statues? Statues could get stuck in a person’s head, I can see that. But, can you see how MUSIC could also, perhaps, be a problem? IF the Music gets stuck in their head…. recently, a woman, on a Video I was watching, asked a Catholic if he was WEAK. She mentioned to him that his faith may be weak, “If he NEEDED Statues to REMIND him of Jesus.” I can see how that could be a problem, IF they think about it too much. YET, what about those who go to Church, pick a certain Church, Only because of the MUSIC they play. They LOVE the music, which actually may Get IN THE WAY of their worshiping God. It does Happen. People go to a Church because it makes them FEEL GOOD. Maybe the music is wonderful, but the messages they from the pastor isn’t so good. Hope you see that Music can also be a problem. IF the person just HAS to have the music they love…..are they possibly Worshiping the MUSIC? People do Worship THROUGH Music.. Music can be wonderful. Yet, can be a problem if USED Wrongly. Worship THROUGH Statues can also be a problem, yet, Not always. Anything can be an IDOL. Music can be an Idol, too. A Bible could be one, too. A religious picture could be, too, if Used Wrongly.

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            Worship THROUGH Statues can also be a problem, yet, Not always??????????

            Revelation 21:6-8
            I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son. But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

    2. You say that you Reject ALL Catholic Doctrines. Do you accept the TRINITY, the 3 Persons in One God? The First Person, the Father, the Second Person, the Son, the Third Person, the Holy Spirit? Do you accept that Jesus, the Second Person of the Trinity, humbled Himself, came to earth, was born of a virgin (Mary)? Do you accept that Jesus is the ONLY WAY to be Saved, that He is the Only way to Heaven? That we need to Pray Directly to God, AND Jesus? The Catholic Church teaches ALL that, Among other things. I have heard it said that Catholics Don’t pray DIRECTLY TO God. Catholics DO pray Right to God, in the LORD’S PRAYER. The Lord’s Prayer is recited at Every Mass. We also are NOT told that we Cannot pray Directly TO Jesus. I do all the time. Many Prayers are said Right to Jesus. Also, the CORE of the Hail Mary prayer is said RIGHT to Jesus, the core is: BLESSES is the Fruit of thy womb, JESUS. The Hail Mary Prayer is ALL about Jesus, points us TO Jesus, Not to Mary.

      1. I see you just confirmed how the pagan catholic Church mixes both true and false doctrine ……. deception on the highest level.

  20. Hi guys every one here I want you to share the apparations of the blessed mother but wait
    Why do we call her BLESSED?
    In luke 1:48 Marys Canticle

    And her immaculate conception?
    I will explain in Luke it was said
    No BAD tree bears GOOD fruits for EACH tree is known for there OWN FRUIT
    Meaning where you come from thats your identity so
    Then you will tell me So Anne and Joaquim is holy? No it was said BLESSED ARE YOU AMONG WOMEN! ALL WOMEN so even to her own parents own mother she is blessed yes

    Back to the apparations of the blessed mother
    You cannot say its the devil you cant say because it was told in GENESIS
    I will put an enmity between you AND THE WOMEN your seed and HER SEED his foot shall strike your head and you shall strike his feet
    In other word
    I WILL PUT AN ENMITY BETWEEN YOU AND MARY YOUR SEED AND HER SEED MARY’S Seed jesus will strike your head and you shall strike CHRISTS foot

    And in Kings2 4:5
    God grace cannot be exhausted, it takes a SINGULAR VESSEL OF DEVOTION to recieve its plenty ONE THAT HAS BEEN PERFECTLY PURIFIED

    Mary is the theotokos as said in the bible
    In luke elizabeth told mary
    How did this happen to me? That the mother of my GOD shall come to me?

    And another one
    When mary touched elizabeths womb she was blessed and was filled by the holy spirit

    1. No No No No No and No and No and No and No and NO!. wow, probably a few more thousand no’s in there to almost every single comment on here that has to do with the argument that Mary is Holy and on her own seat sort of view.

      You guys complicate the crap out of what it means to be blessed and holy and favored by the Lord. He never meant it to be as complicated as we like to turn it out or in this case you guys with the extra biblical views people like to tag onto meanings of what can only be meant for One.

      There was an apple that swayed away from its tree strong and beautiful full of mystery. That is all of your views of Mary. Yes, she was special to the Lord, but the Lord puts no extra favor on anyone and if He actually did there is no possible way that we understand His true favor.

      It doesn’t matter, He is the tree. That is His focus, He wants people to feel special because they are His creation and He wants people to feel blessed because of that. Did He say that to women during Jesus’s teachings, sure! But it’s not for the extreme reasons I keep reading on here that are obviously mostly Catholic. Extreme ruins simplicity and that is not what He wants. Do you seriously want to mess with what He wants. Look at yourselves Catholics…geez

    2. You can not claim power to know who was sinless. The end line is “Do not teach what is not written.” Mary was not sinless, so says the Bible. So says The Bible that only one is Good, so says Jesus that only one is good. So says the Mighty Lion Only One is Good. So says the Humble Lamb Only One is Good. You say Mary is sinless using your own knowledge and doctrine, yet the Bible warned about this. Do you not follow the commandments? I assure you, the Catholic Church has changed even so them, so they can have Idols of God and of Jesus and of the Earth.

      1. Actually, the Catholic Church did NOT change the Commandments! That is a Lie that has been going around for years. I have heard people say that the Catholic Church REMOVED the Second Commandment. NO, not true. Actually, it was the Protestants who CHANGED the Commandment. They took the part about idols and graven images out of the FIRST Commandment, and MADE it Into the Second! The Commandments were not even numbered in the Bible. The Numbering System started in the Middle Ages. The Catholic Church still goes by that SAME Numbering System that they had since the Middle Ages. The C.C Changed NOTHING! Now, you may tell me that the FIRST Commandment of the C.C is NOT about Idols and graven images. I have a Catechism, I bought it several months ago. My Catechism explains the FIRST Commandment, explains issues RE. the First Commandment. It tells about idols and graven images. The First Commandment has been Shortened to say “…Have No Other gods before Me.” This MEANS idols and graven images, it is Understood. Again, Protestants REMOVED the part about images and idols from the First Commandment, made it into the Second. And Catholics got the blame. And for people who like to accuse the Church about Removing the part about idols and graven images, it is in the CATHOLIC BIBLE! If they really were trying to REMOVE the parts about idols and graven images it would be Removed from the Bible. It isn’t.

          1. An IDOL for God inside the Catholic Church? If you are talking about Statues, statues are Not necessarily Idols. They are only Idols IF they are Worshiped! Like the Bronze Serpent, which God told Moses to erect. It WAS NOT an Idol at first. Then it Became an idol when people started to Worship it. The Israelites made the bronze serpent into a Snake-God (named it Nehushtan). The good King Hezekiah had it destroyed at this point when people misused it. The Israelites were rebelling against God. God sent snakes that would bite them, and kill them. God instructed Moses to build a Bronze Serpent. The Israelites who were bitten by the snakes were to look up to the bronze serpent, and would be healed. They knew, at first, that in looking Up to the bronze serpent, they were Looking Up to God. They knew that it was God doing the healing and Not the bronze serpent. Actually the bronze serpent was to Represent Christ on the Cross, foretelling that He would come and die for us, Save us. Then the Israelites started to NOT GET IT, some started to look at the bronze serpent as an IDOL, started to worship it. They Lost Sight as to the purpose of the bronze serpent. Then, King Hezekiah had it destroyed. It BECAME an Idol, when at first it wasn’t. Now, I’m not sure just How Many worshiped the serpent. There probably were a few who Did NOT Worship it. To them, if they were following God’s instructions, Knowing that it was GOD doing the Healing and Not the serpent, it was Not an Idol. Now, I suppose that might apply to a few Catholics today. if some actually Are worshiping statues, it is an Idol. I actually can’t picture someone Worshiping wood, marble, stone, granite. Really? Worshiping a GRANITE Statue? You take that for GRAN-ITE. You assume. You are Not a Mind reader to say WHAT people are worshiping, or Not Worshiping. Only GOD knows our Thoughts, our Prayers. You sure don’t. And having statues is NOT against the Bible. Many don’t really understand Why God says not to make graven images. That does NOT Apply today. The Bible tells us that it DOESN’T APPLY to us today. Many don’t get it.

          2. Do you believe that no one has ever seen the Holy Father other than Jesus Christ, who is from above???

            when God spoke to Moses, He does not show any image of His face, do u believe this???

            Did Apostles give any graven image of Jesus Christ, who is God head??? No, Apostles beared the image of Christ, who is God Head.

            Is it not the great sin to create an image even for God, who Himself is the Creator of all things????

            Is it right for any flesh to use their hands to assume and give God’s image, when God Himself created man in His own image .i.e., with His own hands creating Adam???

            Giving image for God is not an idol? Is it not a blaspheme against God to place God’s statue in another human form??

            Is it not the man great, who is able to give image even for Almighty God, and getting equal with Creator by showing his creativity even upon God??? Place that man’s statue your Churches along with so called God’s idol. Worship that man then, because He is the creator of Roman catholic god.

            Open your eyes and seek the Truth with all your heart.

            Acts 17:29
            Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold, or silver, or stone, engraved by art and design of man. The times of ignorance therefore God overlooked. But now he commands that all people everywhere should repent.

            Romans 1:23
            “..they exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man….”

            Deuteronomy 4:15-16
            “”So watch yourselves carefully, since you did not see any form on the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb from the midst of the fire, so that you do not act corruptly and make a graven image for yourselves in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female”.

            Deuteronomy 27;15
            “Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman..”

            Isaiah 40:18-19
            “To whom then will you liken God,
            or what likeness compare with him?
            An idol? —A workman casts it,
            and a goldsmith overlays it with gold,
            and casts for it silver chains.”

            2 Corinthians 6:14-18
            “….what fellowship has light with darkness?,…….What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God…….Therefore go out from their midst(idolators), and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing(idols); then I will welcome you, and I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty.”

          3. You are right. No One really knows what God looks like, yet, God gave us Descriptions of Him which can be used in pictures, drawings, maybe even graven images. I know that many like to quote the verse telling us Not to create graven images. What did God really mean by that? Did He mean that No One should have things like Statues? No. He did Not. In the beginning, when the Israelites were told that, told not to create images of Him, it was because of the many Pagans around. God had NOT REVEALED Himself to people yet, so no one could make an image of Him. No one knew what he looked like. And because of the many Pagans around them, they might be tempted to do as the Pagans did, and make images. And they might be tempted to Act as the Pagans did, and actually Worship these images. The Pagans used to create images of animals, such as eagles and bulls, or snakes, or other images, such as the moon, the sun, etc. I can imagine it may have been tempting to them, seeing Pagans with these images. It may have looked like fun to them? God wanted them to have No Part of that, to start to do as the pagans and actually start to Worship these images. Remember the BRONZE SERPENT? Which God ordered Moses to erect? The Israelites at first got it right, did what God wanted them to do. Then they started to Worship the statue, made it into a Snake-God (Nehushtan). God Knows, Knew the Sinful nature of man, knew that they might be tempted to create images of animals,. like the Pagans. And worship them. DEUT. 4:15-18 explains how people were Not to make images of God, as God had Not Revealed Himself to yet…..so, they might be tempted to act like the Pagans. Yet, later, God Did reveal Himself……In DANIEL 7:9 this tells us what God Looks like, or how He wants us to see Him. This image of God, in DAN. 7:9 has been actually used by Protestants in art, in illustrations in books. Is that Wrong? No. Also, God Revealed Himself, the Holy Spirit revealed Himself in 2 Forms, In the form of a DOVE at the Baptism of Jesus (MATT. 3:16, MARK 1:10, LUKE 3:22, and JOHN 1:32) , and as Tongues of Fire at Pentecost (ACTS 2:1-4). Also, you mention Idols in the Catholic Church. What about Non-Catholic churches who have Nativity scenes at their Churches at Christmas, complete with statues of Mary and Joseph, the Baby Jesus, the three wise men, etc. Is that WRONG? No more wrong than having statues in Church. Now, if people Worship the Nativity scene, it is wrong. Yet do most people worship a Nativity scene? No. I would hope not. Like the bronze serpent, which at first was Not an Idol, but Became one once people started to worship it. A Statue is Not Necessarily an Idol. It only becomes one If it is WORSHIPED. And, God said NO to graven images because HE had Not revealed Himself yet. Yet later HE Did. Now, we still Don’t know what God really Looks like. Yet, He gave us Descriptions of Himself, that we can use . Many Protestants also use these images. One added note about Nativity Scenes: Most Nativity scenes have the Three Wise men. Actually, they were Not at the manger of Jesus. According to the Bible, when they arrived, Jesus was a toddler, and lived in a house. Yet, Nativity scenes usually show the three wise men. Some might call this wrong. Does it really matter? Most people know that they were Not at the scene when Jesus was in the manger. Just an added thought.

          4. FSHS DISCIPLES (APA)

            Whoever looks those statues again and again will get only those images in their mind when they pray to God. That statue or any image is a stumbling bock for any believer to think of God. Especially children will easily get imprinted with those images and they won’t forget that image when praying to God.
            why Apostles did not give us any images??? Even after seeing Jesus, dove and fire tongue why they did not give us to see those???

            Did they fooled us saying,
            Acts 17:29, Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold, or silver, or stone, engraved by art and design of man. The times of ignorance therefore God overlooked. But now he commands that all people everywhere should repent.

            Is Peter a fool to Christians????
            1 Peter 1:8-9
            “Although you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and rejoice with an indescribable and glorious joy, for you are receiving the outcome of your faith, the salvation of your souls.

            2Corinthians 5:7
            “for we walk by faith, not by sight”

            John 20:29
            Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.

            Show the faith in works by not giving statues and pictures. Faith without works is waste.

            Those who place in the heart: the image of so called God from the statue, greedy for money, too much veneration and love than Jesus, Worshipping God outside are idolators.

            Even muslims teaching better faith to their children. Justifying our traditions and our practices won’t please God, Obedience to His words is the best thing we have to do for God through our Lord Jesus.

            God bless.

      2. IF Mary really was Sinful, wouldn’t that put in ENMITY with her Son, Jesus? She was Not in enmity with Jesus. I know that the verse “I will put ENMITY between you and the woman” refers to the Devil and Mary. I have heard people say that that verse refers to EVE. Eve, because of her SIN, was Not in enmity with the devil. Because of her Sin, she became in Union with the Devil. Mary was in Enmity with the Devil because of her Sinlessness. How could Mary be in Enmity with the Devil? IF she was a sinner, she would be in Union, not in Enmity with him. And she sure was Not in enmity with her Son, Jesus. If she was a Sinner, she would be in enmity with Jesus. Mary said, in LUKE 1:46 “My Soul doth MAGNIFY the Lord. In other words, she makes the Lord Larger, Clearer, More in Focus for us. IF she was a Sinner, would she Magnify the Lord? No. She would be like a dirty, smudged mirror, would actually NOT Magnify the Lord. She would actually Obscure, not magnify the Lord. She Magnifies Him.

        1. No, No, NO! First of all, your interpretation is very wrong and you didn’t took the whole verse.

          “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” Genesis 3:15 (KJV)

          Enmity is defined as “The state of being actively hostile to someone or something.”

          The ‘woman’ is referring to Eve.
          The ‘seed’ is Lord Jesus Christ.

          The lines “…It shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” refers to the Death of Jesus (“Thou shalt bruise his heel”) and the Triumph of Jesus over Satan (obviously Jesus’ Resurrection)
          “It shall bruise thy head.”

          Remember. Jesus is the descendant of Eve, and all of the human race. So it would make sense too.

          But what if the woman is referring to Mary?

          First of all, God said this after Adam and Eve revealed themselves to God. It would make sense too that He was speaking about Eve, as she was the only woman on that time.

          1. Remember that much of the Bible is telling us of the FUTURE. It is telling us about Mary. Eve was Not in Enmity with the Devil. Because of her Sin, she was no longer in ENMITY with the devil. She WAS before she chose to disobey God, to sin. When she Chose SIN, she no longer was in ENMITY with the devil. She Chose to SIN. She lost that status, the status if being in Enmity with the devil.

          2. Yes, the “Seed” is Jesus. That verse is About MARY. Eve SINNED, disobeyed God by eating the fruit of the tree that God said Not to. She was Sinless BEFORE she disobeyed God. When she was Sinless, BEFORE she disobeyed God, Eve WAS in ENMITY with the devil, as she was Sinless. AFTER She sinned, she no longer was in Enmity with the devil. She Lost that Status, the statues of being in Enmity with the devil. She became a SINNER. Sinners are NOT in Enmity with the devil. That verse, telling us about JESUS, is God’s PROMISE that He would send a Savior. That Promise came AFTER the fall of Adam and Eve. Jesus was the “Seed” that CAME from Mary. We all come from Adam and Eve. Yet, that verse is Not about Eve. After her sin, she no longer was in Enmity with the devil. But, Mary was. I know that people like to say that the verse is About EVE. That way they can Deny that Mary was sinless.

        2. Genesis 3:20
          “……she(Eve) was the mother of all the living (including mary) “.
          As per your explanation R.C Mary is not the daughter of sinned Eve??

          Genesis 4:1 (NRSVCE-catholic edition)
          “….she(Eve) conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have produced a man with the help of the Lord.”
          As per your own explanation sinned Eve cannot magnify God, but she magnifies God’s help in Genesis 4:1, how she did????

          Roman 6:23 =”For the wages of sin is death”.
          Galatians 3:22 =”the scripture has imprisoned all things(including Mary) under the power of sin, so that what was promised through faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe”.
          Romans 11:32 =”For God has shut up all(including Mary) in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all(including Mary)”.
          Romans 5:14 =”Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the disobedience of Adam”.
          Romans 5:19 =”For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners(including Mary), even so through the obedience of the One(Jesus) the many will be made righteous(including Mary).

          Psalms 51:5 = David sings, “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.”
          David came from Adam lineage, which lineage Mary came from??? Mary’s mother Eve did not sin to bring Mary sinless in this world?? You contradict or Holy Scripture contradicts???

          Proverbs 20:9 =”Who can say, “I have cleansed my heart, I am pure from my sin “?
          Mary did not dare to say that she is sinless, Jesus redeemed her sins but you people assuming her against the righteousness of God.

          Ecclesiastes 7:20 =”Indeed, there is not a righteous man(including mary) on earth who continually does good and who never sins.”

          Psalm 143:2 =”…no one living is righteous before you(God)”.

          Psalms 14:2-3 =”The LORD has looked down from heaven upon the sons of men To see if there are any who understand, Who seek after God. They have all turned aside, together they have become corrupt; There is no one who does good, not even one”.

          Isaiah 53:6 =”All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him”.

          Isaiah 53:10 =”…..he(Jesus) will see his offspring(including mary) and prolong his days”.

          Mary did the favour of God like the gestational surrogacy mother and so genetically Jesus is unrelated to sin, Adam and Mary, because Jesus came from above born through Holy Spirit but Mary came from this earth.

          So, this does not mean that Mary remained in sin even after Jesus’s resurrection, she was the beloved woman for Jesus, and a beloved woman to every christian who really follows Jesus. See in the biblical perspective rather in the man’s crooked faith and tradition.
          She is a saint lady through Christ and an example for every christian to do the favour of God whole heartedly.

      3. The Bible does NOT say that Mary was Sinful! Sure, the Bible does say “ALL have Sinned” The New testament was first written in Greek The word for All is the Greek word PAS. Pas, Greek for All did NOT always mean all. There were many verses where All (Pas) was used, and it is clear that it did Not Always mean ALL. Are there any Exceptions to the verse where it says “ALL have Sinned.” Many. If we were to take that verse seriously, Jesus became Man. So it must have referred to Jesus? NO. Jesus was an Exception, but not the Only one. There are actually Millions, Trillions, that it does Not refer to. UNBORN babies have NOT Sinned. Sure, they have Inherited Original Sin. Original Sin is Inherited. It is not something they DO. Unborn babies have NOT Committed a Sin. Remember the verse says “All have SINNED.” SINNED meaning an action done on their part. Unborn babies, even very young babies are Not Capable of Committing Sin. Adam and Ever were created Sinless, yet, because they Chose to Disobey God, they brought sin into the world. Eve, in saying “YES” to the Serpent allowed SIN to enter the world. Mary, in saying “YES” to the Angel, allowed Jesus to be born. And Jesus brought salvation to the world. Again, are there Any Exceptions to the verse “All have sinned?” yes, Trillions upon Trillions. And IF Mary really was Sinful, that would pit her in ENMITY with Her Son. Was Mary in ENMITY with Jesus? There is a verse “I will put Enmity between you and the Woman…” I know that people like to say that that verse is referring to EVE. Because of Eve’s SIN, that put Eve in UNION with the serpent, with the devil. Eve sure was NOT in Enmity with the devil. Because of her choice, her choice to go Against God, she was Not in ENMITY with the Devil, she was in UNION with him. Mary was in Enmity with the Devil. Because of her Sinlessness, that put here in ENMITY with the devil. People who like to say that Mary was SINFUL—-They are actually saying that Mary was in ENMITY with her Son, Jesus. Are YOU really saying that?

        1. Genesis 3:20
          “……she(Eve) was the mother of all the living (including mary) “.
          As per your explanation R.C Mary is not the daughter of sinned Eve??

          Genesis 4:1 (NRSVCE-catholic edition)
          “….she(Eve) conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have produced a man with the help of the Lord.”
          As per your own explanation sinned Eve cannot magnify God, but she magnifies God’s help in Genesis 4:1, how she did????

          Roman 6:23 =”For the wages of sin is death”.
          Galatians 3:22 =”the scripture has imprisoned all things(including Mary) under the power of sin, so that what was promised through faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe”.
          Romans 11:32 =”For God has shut up all(including Mary) in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all(including Mary)”.
          Romans 5:14 =”Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the disobedience of Adam”.
          Romans 5:19 =”For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners(including Mary), even so through the obedience of the One(Jesus) the many will be made righteous(including Mary).

          Psalms 51:5 = David sings, “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.”
          David came from Adam lineage, which lineage Mary came from??? Mary’s mother Eve did not sin to bring Mary sinless in this world?? You contradict or Holy Scripture contradicts???

          Proverbs 20:9 =”Who can say, “I have cleansed my heart, I am pure from my sin “?
          Mary did not dare to say that she is sinless, Jesus redeemed her sins but you people assuming her against the righteousness of God.

          Ecclesiastes 7:20 =”Indeed, there is not a righteous man(including mary) on earth who continually does good and who never sins.”

          Psalm 143:2 =”…no one living is righteous before you(God)”.

          Psalms 14:2-3 =”The LORD has looked down from heaven upon the sons of men To see if there are any who understand, Who seek after God. They have all turned aside, together they have become corrupt; There is no one who does good, not even one”.

          Isaiah 53:6 =”All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him”.

          Isaiah 53:10 =”…..he(Jesus) will see his offspring(including mary) and prolong his days”.

          Mary did the favour of God like the gestational surrogacy mother and so genetically Jesus is unrelated to sin, Adam and Mary, because Jesus came from above born through Holy Spirit but Mary came from this earth.

          So, this does not mean that Mary remained in sin even after Jesus’s resurrection, she was the beloved woman for Jesus, and a beloved woman to every christian who really follows Jesus. See in the biblical perspective rather in the man’s crooked faith and tradition.
          She is a saint lady through Christ and an example for every christian to do the favour of God whole heartedly.

      4. You say that the Bible says that Mary was NOT Sinless. What verse says that she was NOT Sinless? Some like to point out the verse where Mary says that she NEEDED a SAVIOR. The Catholic Church ADMITS that, YES, she DID NEED a Savior. But, does that necessarily mean that she was a Sinner? No. It does Not. Without God’s help, she would have been born a sinner, like all of us. She Definitely NEEDED a Savior. Her SAVING, her help happened when she was IN her Mother’s womb. Without that Help, she would have been born a sinner. So, she definitely NEEDED a Savior. Other verses which people like to use, to PROVE that Mary was a Sinner is that she was supposed to have “Presented a SIN OFFERING” at the Temple. However, it was NOT a Sin Offering. After Jesus was born, Mary and Joseph took Jesus to the temple. She went for PURIFICATION. As I said, some call it a “Sin offering.” It really had Nothing to do with Sin. She went to the temple because it was Jewish LAW. She HAD to go. Because she had just given birth, she was considered “Impure.” Women were considered impure After giving Birth. it had to do with the Blood. It was called RITUAL IMPURITY. It really had Nothing to do with Sin. Some do call it a Sin Offering. They even offered Jesus up for Purification. Jesus sure did Not Need Purification. They did it because it was the LAW. So, I’m not sure the verse or the verses you are referring to when you say that the BIBLE says that Mary was NOT Sinless. Are you referring to the “Purification” in the temple After Jesus was born? That “Purification” was because she had given birth. She was considered Impure, because she had given birth, because of the Blood. Ritual Impurity. Some call it a “Sin offering.” It was NOT a Sin to give birth. It was the LAW that they Had to go, and they even took Jesus and Offered HIM up for purification. They humbled themselves, followed Jewish Law. And again, Mary Did say that she NEEDED a Savior. She DID need a savior. She received her HELP, her Salvation, in Her mother’s womb. She was conceived Without Original Sin. She needed to be Without Sin…..to be a Fit, a Pure Vessel to carry Jesus. IF she was a SINNER, Jesus would have Inherited the sin. And we Know that He was Sinless. What verses tell us that Mary was NOT Sinless?


          Hebrews 12:1
          “we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses”

          Proverbs 20:9 =”Who can say, “I have cleansed my heart, I am pure from my sin “?
          Mary did not dare to say that she is sinless, Jesus redeemed her sins but you people assuming her against the righteousness of God.

          Ecclesiastes 7:20 =”Indeed, there is not a righteous man(including mary) on earth who continually does good and who never sins.”

          Psalm 143:2 =”…no one living is righteous before you(God)”.

          Psalms 14:2-3 =”The LORD has looked down from heaven upon the sons of men To see if there are any who understand, Who seek after God. They have all turned aside, together they have become corrupt; There is no one who does good, not even one”.

          Isaiah 53:6 =”All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him”.

    3. You need to read how your church defines the immaculate conception…..cause what you just stated is surly not it……. those apparitions are from a false spirit…..how did Mary receive her glorified body before everyone else, why didn’t she have to wait for our redemption at the second coming, why was her glorification a secret private event that no one saw or documented, why is is spirit requiring all to worship her by praying many rosaries and wearing a scapular, why is she teaching a false doctrine of purgatory…….I’ll tell you why, it’s not Mary, it’s a deceiving spirit leading the people astray………many Christians asked these very important questions so the cathloic church made up the doctrine of the immaculate conception which states Mary was taken up to heaven, given a crown (in some private event mind you) because she was ever virgin and she was born without sin, which would mean so was her mother, and her mother before her and so on,,,,,so supposedly the HOLY SPIRIT appeared to all,of them and miraculously conceived all,of them………that is the true doctrine according to the Catholic Church, don’t take my word for it, read it yourself……Mary was not ever virgin, the Bible clearly states Jesus had brothers and sisters……..but you wouldn’t know because your church does not encourage you to read the Bible right,,,,,,in fact the Catholic Church burned thousands of bibles during the inquisition…..because the Protestant claimed the pope to be antichrist……. hmmmmmm…..

  21. To brother Elijay:

    Paul refers to a Proverb propably refering to Old testament???

    1 Corinthians 4:6
    Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other. 

    “I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us….” = Here Paul says that we(Paul and Apollo) both are follwing same things to be an example for you, i.e., united in one faith about which we are writing to you so that you will not fight or puffup ur head.

    Paul is placing himself and Apollo as an example and writing them to follow it.

    As you said, Is it propably refering to Old testament??? No, Its absolutely about the Gospel of the Holy Spirit which he is writing to them.

    Are you ready to accept the other things which the reformers cited from the bible?? Just trying to trap me is no use for you. Reformers believed in Sola scrip and I first believe the authority of the verse “Nothing beyond what is written”.

    Is not your popes taking the authority of Peter which was given to him??? Does the scripture attributes the power of peter to these popes which was blindly taken and followed???? What faith it is????

    Luke 21:33
     “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away”

    Dont get pass away from the eternal life brother.

    John 5:39
    You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life.

    John 16:13
    Jesus said:
    “when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth”.

    Apostles spoke in flesh or through Holy Spirit??? They are controlled by One Spirit and had one accord mind in Spirit. If they had followed different faiths then testimony for Christ would not be preached.

    Have to delete the following documents??
    Apostle Peter himself said:
    2Peter 3:15-16
    “our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable [people] twist to their own destruction, as [they do] also the rest of the Scriptures.”

    Peter understood paul’s epistles well and accepted the authority of the scripture.

    1Peter 1:11
    “the Spirit of Christ who was in them(old testament prophets) was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 

    1Peter 1:12
    “preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven — things which angels desire to look into.”

    From the above two verses we understand that
    Spirit of Christ spoke from both old testament prophets and from Apostles. Whether Holy Spirit speaks in BC or AD or whichever the date, His words are supreme to control us and we have to abide to it.

    We have to accept that the scripture is only authoratative for us now.

    If we abide to the authoritative of the scripture we will have One faith.

    Ephesians 4:4-6
    “There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all. 

    If we dont follow the sscrpture as final authoritative then One faith will not prevail, instead multiple faiths will be follwed according to the culture, customs and environment as catholic have now.

  22. The rosary prayer is to reflect on the life of Jesus Christ. The mysteries. It starts with the nicene creed or apostles creed then the Lord’s Prayer. Then the contemplation of the mysteries for each decade of the rosary. Then the the recitation of bible verse like Hail Mary which in those days Hail meant greetings! Hail = greetings. Each decade starts with Lord’s Prayer the Our Father then each decade ends with glory be to the father son Holy Spirit. Then oh my Jesus forgive us our sins etc. we as Catholics are contemplating the life of Christ and meditating upon it when we pray the rosary.

    1. Sorry to burst your bubbles but the ‘Rosary’ thing is not even biblical. It was borrowed from Buddhism, Hinduism, and the like. Jesus even condemned using vain repetitions.

      “But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.” – Matthew 6:7 (KJV)

      So if you are praying over and over again by the rosary, it is still USELESS. The LORD will not hear nor listen to your incoherent mumblings. “They think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.”

      You are technically a heathen if you do that.

      1. You are saying that the ROSARY is an Example of VAIN Repetition. Is ALL Repetition in prayer Vain? Not necessarily. Even Jesus prayed in REPETITION. He Prayed in repetition at the Garden of Gethsemane. Is ALL prayer Vain? No. Repetition is Not always done Vainly. If the people who are praying the Rosary are only praying it, just to get so many prayers in, because they just have to get a certain number of Prayers said, that is Wrong. The Rosary is Not necessarily wrong. It could be, depending on the Person Saying it. I know that people like to say that MORE Prayers in the Rosary are the Hail Mary. True. Yet, remember that even the Hail Mary Prayer is NOT TO Mary, it is TO JESUS. The CORE of the Hail Mary are the words “Blessed is the Fruit of thy womb, Jesus.” The Hail Mary POINTS us TO Jesus, Not TO Mary. And when people Pray the Hail Mary in the Rosary, they are MEDITATING on JESUS, on the Mysteries of JESUS: The JOYFUL Mysteries, the LUMINOUS Mysteries, the SORROWFUL Mysteries, The GLORIOUS Mysteries. The people who pray the Rosary, many of them are Very Close to JESUS, as they are Meditating ONLY on HIM, Not on MARY. Actually, I had been away from the Church for over 40 years. I started coming back to Church about 2 years. I don’t even Own a Rosary, haven’t prayed the Rosary in about 45 years. You can actually pray the Rosary WITHOUT the Rosary. the Rosary is simply a tool, to keep track of the number of prayers said. A while ago, someone accused me of NOT Praying the Lord’s Prayer, of Not Learning it. I was told that it is a simple prayer and I REFUSE to Learn it. I’m sure that you know that Catholics Do Pray Directly TO God, and TO Jesus. So many people accuse Catholics of NOT Praying Directly TO God and TO Jesus. Not True, not at all. Like I pointed out, the Hail Mary Prayer is RIGHT TO Jesus. It is POINTING us TO Jesus, NOT to Mary. :Blessed is the fruit of thy womb, JESUS.” IF Jesus was NOT mentioned in the Hail Mary I could see people Not Liking it. FOCUS on the CORE of the Hail Mary prayer! JESUS!

        1. “This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.” – Joshua 1:8

          God did not teach us to meditate/pray the ‘Holy’ Rosary. He taught us to meditate only on GOD’s Word (aka. The BIBLE).

          Even the rosary thing is not biblical. It’s actually borrowed from other false religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, ect.).

          1. Do you do Anything that has a Pagan origin? You claim that the Rosary was Borrowed from Muslims, Hindus. Actually, the Church got it from Monks who used the rosary. The Rosary is actually only a tool to remember the prayers said. And, it actually could have come from the Jews. Now, Jews did not pray the rosary. They used cords with Knots tied in as a way of remembering the prayers they said. Now, back to my original question. Do you do anything that has a pagan origin? Do you Fold your hands in Prayer? It turns out that it may have a Pagan Origin. Hundreds of years Before Christ was born, Pagans who worshiped a sun-god actually folded their hands in prayer. In fact, many pagans did that. It seems to be a universal pagan thing. Did it Come FROM the Pagans? Is it Pagan now? No, it is Pagan only if you happen to BE A PAGAN. And are you married? Do you have a wedding ring? if you do, that also is Pagan in origin. IF you have a wedding ring, does that make You a pagan? No. It makes you a pagan only IF YOU ARE a Pagan. Also, the wedding ceremony is pagan in origin. Does that mean that it is Pagan now? No. Only if Pagans are being married. Also, what about the Days of the Week? All of them are named after Pagan Gods and Goddesses. Do you ever utter those names? Heaven Forbid, uterring names that have a Pagan origin! When you have an appointment, say on Wednesday, do you say the name of Wednesday, or do you say that you will be there FOURTH DAY of the week, Avoiding the pagan name? GOD KNOWS when you use those names of the days of the week, that you are not Worshiping those Gods or Goddesses. Things that have a Pagan origin have LOST their Paganism, have become Christianized. Like the wedding ring and the wedding ceremony, pagan in origin, have Lost their Paganism, become Christianized, If you are married in a Christian wedding ceremony. Many things have pagan origins, does NOT make them pagan now. IF you wear a wedding ring, or were married in a wedding ceremony, Don’t Knock the rosary. The wedding ring, wedding ceremony is No Longer Pagan, Neither is the rosary.

          2. Anything that’s s been done without Jesus is in vain and void. For the rosary has not come from above but from human thinking.
            Whats the different between Roman catholic and Hindu??? not much difference. Hindus follow their faiths of their hearts as Roman catholic follows.

    2. Give me a break,,,,is this what you tell yourself? The rosary is worshiping Mary and giving glory to her which should be reserved for Jesus alone…….did Mary die on the cross for us? Did she live a faithful pure and sin free life? That’s not what the Bible teaches……..Mary in the Bible rejoiced in her Savior……..one does not need a Savior if they are not a sinner…..

  23. As a Catholic Christian, I would like to see more of the Church’s re-focus on the “Hail Jesus” mentioned above. Many Catholics can’t tell you if they are Catholic Christian, or Christian Catholic, because in their childhood education, the emphasis was not on the “Christ” of Nazareth, but too often placed elsewhere: Rome, Mary, the Communion of Saints, the Church hierarchy, when to stand up, when to sit down, how to genuflect, etc..
    Do I accept the Church’s doctrine on Mary? Yes. I think everyone should take advantage of Mary’s example, especially girls and women. After all, she is the quintessential role model for women, especially in today’s world. But I don’t think that “Christ, through Mary” should be a mandate for Catholics. People should be free to choose their own form of devotion.

    1. Freedom in Christ Child

      There is so much misunderstanding, both within the Catholic Church and in the Christian world and it is the Devil’s playground. Some Catholics spiritualise Mary and call her queen of Heaven, some other Catholics correctly discern that Jesus is the Centre… Some Catholics do not know they are Christians because they do not read the Bible… Other Christians generalise and think all Catholics put Mary above Christ… I do not believe that Mary was immaculately conceived. She was naturally conceived from a man and a woman, but that does not reduce Jesus’ divinity because He was divinely conceived by God and carried by Mary. Life is in the blood and a mother’s blood never mixes with a baby’s blood. I deeply admire her faith and her courage and I understand Catholics ask her to pray for them, but if I had been in Mary’s shoes in Heaven I would say : “talk to my Son yourself, He knows everything going on in your heart – He hears all your thoughts, you can’t even hide from Him… He wants you to know Him, He loves you so much that He died for you… Read the Bible, talk to Jesus and be honest how you feel… In Luke 11:27-28 Jesus says it is more important to hear the Word of God and obey it than admiring His mother… God bless you all Freedom in Christ child

      1. Amen! I have even seen priests say that Mary is venetated. That is, worshipped. That is where the idolatry takes off. Because the CC mixed paganism w true worship and that whole “Queen of Heaven” thing kicked up. The Queen of Heaven at least by God through scripture is referenced as the demon Astarte or Ashteroth which the children of Israel were worshipping before He scattered them for their evil.

        1. You are in need of a dictionary, because the definition of the word ‘venerate’ means to regard with reverential respect or deference—NOT necessarily ‘worship’.

          It’s always interesting to me to see how much the human ego is involved when choosing which passages from that manmade, man-written, product of man’s imagination (aka. known as the bible), an individual chooses to accept believe, or discard..

          For example, look at how you choose to disregard the words stating “Hail Mary, thou art full of grace’ and instead prefer to substitute your own thoughts and interpretations. The ‘cherry-picking’ of various passages to suit your own beliefs, ideology and doctrine is quite revealing and indicative of just how much the human is really worshipping his own ideas, not that of any ‘god’.

          1. The Bible is not man’s product of imagination it is the word of God. God used humans through His Holy Spirit to guide us.
            ‘All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness’
            2 Timothy 3:16 NIV

        2. Just curious, I’m sure that you have heard Jesus being called KING OF KINGS. Did you know that Nebuchanezzar was called king of kings by Daniel. Would you ever say that there is Any Connection between Jesus who is the Real King of Kings and Nebuchanezzar? I am sure that you would Not. So WHY does there just HAVE to be a connection between Mary, who Catholics call the Queen of Heaven, and the Pagan Queen of Heaven? There is NOT a Connection between Mary and the Pagan Queen of Heaven, Anymore than there is a connection between Jesus and Nebuchanezzar. There is NOT a Connection between Jesus and Nebuchanezzar, and there is Not a Connection between Mary and a Pagan Queen. At least try to understand WHY Catholics call her the Queen of Heaven. It has No Connection to a Pagan queen. It has to do with the Royal Household of the Kingdom of David, and the Queen Mothers. No Pagan Connection at all.

        3. Venerate does NOT mean Worship. It means to honor or respect, Not the Worship given Only to God. You will NOT hear a Priest say to WORSHIP her.

        4. There is a Pagan Queen in the Bible called the Queen of Heaven. There is NO Connection between Mary, called the Queen of Heaven, and the pagan queen with the same name. Would you ever compare Jesus to Nebuchanezzar? I hope not. Nebuchanezzar was called king of kings by Daniel. Jesus is the True King of Kings. Would you ever say that there just has to be a connection between the two? Of course not, I hope not, anyway. Mary is called the Queen of Heaven because of the Royal Household (Davidic) of the Old Testament. Since many of the Kings had more than one wife, None of them could be Queen. So, the mother of the King served in the role, as the Queen Mother. So, Bathsheba was Queen Mother to her son, Soloman. She took requests from people and presented them to the King, her son, Soloman. When the Angel appeared to Mary and told her that she would be giving birth to Jesus, he explained that Jesus would Inherit the Throne of His father, David, and would Reign Forever. In Heaven. And WHO is His mother? Mary. At least try to understand WHY Catholics call Mary Queen of Heaven. It is because of the Royal Household in the Old Testament. It has Nothing to do with the pagan queen of the same name. The pagan queen of heaven has NO Connection to Mary, any more than Jesus does with Nebuchanezzar. You may NOT agree with them calling Mary Queen of Heaven, but at least understand Why.

        5. Jeremiah 7:18 read it……there is a queen of heaven alright and they were erroneously worshiping her in the Old Testament as well…..so looks like this deceiving spirit appearing all,over the world was busy at work back then too….

          1. You are so annoying why don’t you just shut up and stop insulting the mother of our savior if who- said no to the angel you wouldn’t have been here “defending the scriptures” with your one-track mind. Get a life

      2. The Immaculate Conception does Not mean that Mary was NOT Conceived by a man and a woman. Her parents had sex when they had her. The I.C does Not mean that her parents did Not Conceive her. The I.C just means that she was conceived FREE of Original Sin. Her parents had Nothing to do with that. God was involved in her being Immaculately Conceived, Not her parents.

        1. How is one conceived without sin if not by the Holy Spirit? That makes absolutely no sense at all….. we are all born with original sin…. read the Bible and stop trusting in man…….the Bible is Gods free gift and has been made available for us especially now to read and understand God true word……

    2. have to disagree, she’s not the role model that Jesus wants for women. Because Jesus doesn’t see gender as we do, doesn’t see us as we see others with categorical judgement. Jesus wants to be the role model for everyone, do you understand that? Mary, would fall under a false idol….Man why do people think God messes around and has room for leniency on such on important aspect on where to put your faith and receive grace.

      1. They act like its normal to pray to Mary, who then softens up Jesus, who then softens up God, that’s crazy talk…… I pray for all of them….

    3. You made a comment about “Christ Through Mary” and said that Catholics should be able to choose their own form of devotion” They CAN! I went to a class on Mary a few months ago. It was brought up that people feel that we Can’t pray Directly to Jesus. We CAN! We are NOT told that we HAVE to Pray to Mary. We Can pray Directly to Jesus. Many do. Yet, they encourage prayers to Mary. The class that I went to was a class b y a Fr. Michael Gaitely. The book is “33 DAYS TO MORNING GLORY.” You can get the book if you’d like. You can read the book Without the class. Again, at the class, we were told that we CAN pray Directly To Jesus. we were not told that we Have to pray To Mary.

      1. They can pray to Jesus or They have to pray to Jesus alone?
        The lack of Holy Spirit has created blindness that’s why wavering in the procedure of prayer.

        1. Catholics Do Not pray to Jesus Alone. Catholics also pray the LORD’S PRAYER, which is to God the Father, the First Person of the Holy Trinity. We also pray To Jesus. I often talk to God and Jesus in my own words. I don’t always pray a set prayer. I also Pray to the Holy Spirit, asking for guidance in my life. He has helped me over the years in many things.

          1. Pray through Holy Spirit alone, and that Holy Spirit will Speak only to Holy Father alone saying Abba Father. God bless you sister.

          2. Think about it this way……in the Old Testament the Israelites had to make sacrifice for their sins to be forgiven, they could not pray directly to God, as God is too Holy to look upon sin,,,,,,but luckily for us, in this dispensation of grace that we are in, we have a Savior who died as the final sacrifice,,,,,,,,the last, most pure, blameless sacrifice and so we can now pray directly to God through Jesus as they are now one with the Holy Spirit…..


    1. The only thing I would take issue with is the actual perfection of Mary. Christ could be Holy or perfect because what causes the unholiness is the original curse. And the curse as scripture indicates, is propagated through the SEED which is man’s offering in the creation process.

      Christ did not have any male chromosomes. Instead of a XX or XY (whichever determins maleness) Christ only had the DNA of His earthly mother. Which was absolutely necessary for human flesh to come together in the womb. The reason He could be perfect was that the original curse was not passed by any human male seed.

      On the other hand, Mary had a earthly mother and father which she inherited the original curse but it was never passed to Christ.

      1. Something was pointed out to me which you may find interesting. The Bible says “Hail, Full of Grace.” The Protestant Bibles say “Highly Favored daughter.” I used to Focus on the words “Full of Grace” saying if Something is Full of Something, it can’t be more full, than full. I realized not long ago that I was Focusing on the Wrong Words. I should have Focused on the word “HAIL.” That is a greeting of Real Respect, From an angel TO a person (Mary). That just WASN’T DONE. Respect was shown TO Angels, yet Not Angels to People. Angels are at a much Higher Level than people. They are Spiritual beings, who reside in Heaven, communing with, and serving God. They are INCORRUPTIBLE, yet people are Not. The verse where the Angel greets Mary, tells her that she will give birth to Jesus—-That is the ONLY Verse in the Bible where an angel greets a human with RESPECT. Now, some may say that the Angel was using the word “Hail”, showing her respect, Only because of the MESSAGE given, telling her that she would be giving birth to Jesus. But, Mary was not pregnant yet, when she was greeted by the angel. And when the Angel appeared to Joseph, in a dream, when he told Joseph that Mary would be giving birth to Jesus—-The Angel did Not say “Hail, Joseph.” That is the Only verse where an Angel greets a person, uses the word HAIL, Shows Respect to a person. There are several verses in the Bible where angels greet people, leave them messages, None of them show the Respect that the Angel showed to Mary. Why? Perhaps because she was Incorruptible, without Sin? People really should Focus on the word HAIL. It is more than a simple greeting. it was a greeting of Real Respect, from an angel to a person (Mary). The word Hail should really make people think.

        1. NO SHE IS NOT INCORRUPTIBLE. She was certainly sinful!

          Angel Gabriel only said ‘Hail Mary, Full of Grace’ because she was about to receive Jesus Christ! Let us look at the full lines.

          “…Hail Mary! Full of Grace the LORD is with thee; blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.”

          The lines “Full of Grace” means that the LORD is with Mary who (LORD) is full of grace. The LORD (Jesus) is full of grace, not Mary.

          “…Blessed art thou amongst women…” It means that Mary was blessed because her first son would be Jesus Christ, the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. Also, it said, “…Blessed art thou AMONGST (Among) women…” not, “…Blessed art thou ABOVE women…” she was not to be exalted in any way.

          Of course, if you were an angel carrying a message to a virgin who was going to give birth to your LORD and God, obviously you have to have RESPECT! She was going to give birth to Jesus Christ thy Lord after all!

          1. True. She was going to give birth to Jesus. If it was only because she was going to be giving birth to Jesus, the angel would have also given Joseph the same respect. The angel appeared to Joseph in a dream, told him that Mary would be giving birth to Jesus. He didn’t say “Hail, Joseph.” Also, IF Mary was really sinful, wouldn’t that put her in Enmity with her son, Jesus? Eve was created sinless. She, in saying “Yes” to the devil, allowed Sin to enter the world. Mary, in saying “Yes” to the Angel, allowed Jesus to be born, and Jesus brought Salvation to the world. When people call Mary SINFUL, doesn’t that make her Inferior to Eve? I know that Jesus is considered the NEW ADAM. Mary is considered the NEW EVE. I know that it is Biblical, the idea of Jesus being the New Adam. Again, why do people like to say that Mary was Sinful? That would put her in Enmity with Jesus. Was she in Enmity with Jesus? If she was a sinner, that would put her in Enmity with Jesus. She sure was Not in Enmity with Him.

          2. You ask me for a verse saying that Mary is the New Eve. Yet, there was No REPLY Button. You won’t see a verse saying that, yet there are many verses that compare Mary with Eve. Eve in saying “YES” to the serpent, allowed sin to enter the Eve. Mary in saying “YES” to the angel, gave birth to Jesus, and HE Brought salvation to the world. You may not agree with the articles, yet I will provide them so that you might understand. TYPE IN: THE VIRGIN MARY AND THE VIRGIN EVE, AGAPE BIBLE STUDY. This uses comparisons to show how Mary is the “New Eve” or the Second Eve. If you cannot locate this article I will try to find it again, and tell you what it says. The Bible may not say “Mary is the New Eve” Or ‘Mary is the Second Eve.” , yet, it hints at it. Like the word TRINITY is not mentioned in the Bible, yet there are many verses that hint at it, actually More than hint, that Jesus is God. Yet, some will argue that the word Trinity is not in the Bible. It isn’t, yet the Idea of the Trinity is there. Another site which might explain about Mary as the New Eve is: TYPE IN: 6 BIBLICAL REASONS MARY IS THE “NEW EVE.” ST. PETER’S LIST. This article actually explains it better than the first. It compares JESUS to ADAM, and MARY TO EVE. Now this last one is a Catholic Site. Hopefully this won’t stop you from at least looking at it. It does contain some really good points. Hope it helps. Also, you might read what IRENAEUS of Lyons said about Mary. Just type in : BLESSED MARY AS THE NEW EVE, by St. Irenaeus of Lyons. It is good. You may not agree, yet you may understand it better.

        2. Did not Jesus greeted Mary calling her as woman??
          Did not Jesus praised and respected John the baptist about his birth than Mary??

          1. Why Angel Gabriel didn’t hail Joseph? Because he was not even part of it! Joseph is NOT the father of Jesus, but God the Father. So, the angel wouldn’t see the need to hail him.

            And please look at Luke 1:46-55. Mary accepted the LORD as her saviour.

            Mary is 110% sinless, too. If she was sinless, then the Bible would mention it. But it didn’t. Surely that information would be worth mentioning?

            And please give me a verse saying that Mary is the New Eve.

          2. Jesus did call Mary “Woman” Yet, was that a lack of respect? No. Today it would be. Back then, it was Not. And actually there are verses where Jesus Did Praise Mary. You just need to look and understand what Jesus was saying, and Why. I have heard people say that Jesus was Distancing Himself from Mary. He wasn’t. The verses that people like to use as an “example” that Jesus was downplaying Mary, or rebuking her, He Wasn’t. Just the opposite. Now, some verses may SEEM like He is rebuking her, or running her down, He wasn’t. If He really was running her down, disrespecting her,. that would make Him a Commandment Breaker. That He sure was Not. Actually, there are verses where Jesus was Blessing His mother. They are quite clear.

          3. If Jesus calls anyone as woman is it a lack of respect towards them??? No, being Son of God He demonstrated His purpose and spoke with authority to make them understand that he has come from above.

            Did not he said that those who abide his words are His mothers and brethren???
            Did not he said Woman this is your Son, and Son this your mother??? Would anyone take it as lack of respect for seeing everyone equally and without partiality????

            Just praising Mary like anything wont give her any honor, Mary don’t want twisted catechism and wrong handling of Scripture in people hands, she wanted the servants at cannan wedding to follow what Jesus says. Her great reward is there for her when Christ reveals himself, for whom all saints are waiting. No one is preceded before anyone into heaven, so that the Power of Judgement in Jesus’s hands will be seen by every eyes. All flesh will see His judgement. So, with that hope waiting in paradise for their Lord.

      2. I get the impression that you don’t like the idea of Mary being called Holy. People can be called holy. That does not take away from the Holiness of God. Someone once asked me “Doesn’t calling someone Holy put God’s Attributes on to man?” I answered back “No.” Actually there are verses that tell us to strive to be Holy and live holy lives. In I PETER Jesus said: “Be Holy for I am Holy.” No one person is ever holy by their own merits. They are Only because of God. I once left a message to someone mentioning “Good Christians.” The person answered back saying that we, as humans, Can’t be Good. I know there is a verse where Jesus said “Only God the Father is Good…” Or something like that. Yet, there is another verse where Jesus tells us to be Good. It may seem like a contradiction, yet, is not. Jesus Never contradicted Himself. He was telling us to strive to be good (holy) yet, NO ONE will ever be as Good, or as Holy as God. So, Mary can be called Holy. She was Not Holy by her own merits. She owes Everything To God/Jesus.

    2. Amen ! Jesus is my savior and the lord is my god.. But it’d have to take a physically.. mentally.. emotionally.. etc. Strong woman to take on such a great role in history..! And the thought.. To bare the child of God… Who wouldn’t be terrified..?

      1. What about in the bible where it says the dead know nothing?? How can Mary or the saints pray for you if they know nothing??

        1. You mention the verse that says that the Dead Know Nothing. Yet, there are verses that also say that Christians that die are Very Much Alive! Mary is very much ALIVE in Heaven! All who die in Christ are More Alive than they ever were!

    3. om…oh my…He created everything perfectly. not just the mother of Jesus. again…complicating the crap out of something that isn’t meant to by dissected and researched.


  26. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT “RELIGION” YOU FOLLOW! IT IS ALL SOMEONE’S BELIEF. YOU MUST “STUDY” TO LEARN AND SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED UNTO THE LORD, ALMIGHTY, SUPREME BEING, WHO IS SPIRIT BUT LIKE US (WE ARE LIKE HIM AS WE ARE MADE IN HIS IMAGE AND LIKENESS). The teach to have a ‘personal’ relationship with Jesus and when you DO LISTEN TO THE VOICE WITHIN, they tell you it is a ‘familiar spirit’, go back to the Bible. WELL, MY FATHER, SPIRIT/GOD IS ALIVE IN ME AND TELLS ME PERSONALLY WHAT I SHOULD DO. My problem is that I have been ‘derailed” in my belief by the true ‘false’ prophets trying to convince me to ‘listen’ to them instead of my ‘personal’ relationship with the Almighty One, my Creator!. The Bible is a COMMON SENSE BOOK, TEACHES HOW TO LIVE ON THIS PLANET AND IS A GREAT REFERENCE TO CONFIRM TRUTH, BUT ONE MUST LISTEN TO THE VOICE WITHIN. IF IT IS GOOD, HELPFUL, AND IS A ‘WIN, WIN, WIN’ SITUATION, WHERE NO ONE IS HURT, THEN IT IS FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT/GOD. We, humans are a family and we must NEVER hurt our family. My Bible also tells me that God shine his face upon those whom we call Good and Bad- that he loves us unconditionally and GIVES US THE COMMANDMENTS FOR OUR GOOD, TO SHOW US THE WAY; HE EVEN CREATED A SON BY HIS SPIRIT TO COME AND LIVE ON THIS EARTH AND TEACH US ‘HUMAN TO HUMAN’ SO WE COULD ALL MAKE BETTER CHOICES AND DECISIONS AS WE GROW THROUGH THIS EXPERIENCE WE CALL LIFE. NO ONE CAN ASK YOU “ARE YOU SAVED” AS ONLY ONE JUDGE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION. YOU MUST COMBINE YOUR FAITH, BELIEF AND GOOD WORKS TO GET THE GRACE TO BE SAVED, PROTECTED. “James 2:15 If you have a friend who is in need of food and clothing, James 2:16 and you say to him, “Well, good-bye and God bless you; stay warm and eat hearty,” and then don’t give him clothes or food, what good does that do? James 2:17 So you see, it isn’t enough just to have faith. You must also do good to prove that you have it. Faith that doesn’t show itself by good works is no faith at all–it is dead and useless.” JESUS SAID “YOU SHALL KNOW THE TREE BY IT’S FRUIT’….Be without a job and your rent is due….ask a Christian to help you….only one will and that is the Salvation Army, that was truly built on the Truths that Jesus taught. THE REST OF THE “CHRISTIANS” ARE TAKERS, MONEY MAKERS AND EGO BLASTERS!

    1. You left this comment back in July. You said that it “Doesn’t matter what “Religion” you follow. It Really DOES matter. Now you are most likely referring to Christian faiths. If someone is following the religion of WICCA, it Matters very much. I believe that Wicca is related to Witchcraft. I am sure you mean it doesn’t matter which Christian faith you belong to. However, Wicca, I believe is considered a religion. Also Muslims are considered a religion, Hindu, etc. It does Matter. Just a thought.

  27. The Christians “teach” that all humans are Sinners and emphasize it. But My Bible tells me that Jesus said “Be Ye therefore PERFECT as your Father in heaven is perfect”. Matt: 5:48

    It also says that GOD/SPIRIT made ALL THINGS and called ALL GOOD!. I understand this to mean that THE HOLY SPIRIT/GOD, who made ALL THINGS is PERFECT; THEREFORE his creation is Perfect. Man in his lack of understanding has misinterpreted the Bible, added what they wanted to control the masses, and also misinterpreted the teachings of Jesus or changed them to their own belief system.

    The Bible teaches FORGIVENESS…BUT Christianity holds Adam and Eve in guilt forever! What makes the Pope’s teachings any different from Paul or Mark or John etc? They were ALL men and wrote WHAT THEY BELIEVED was the teaching during their time on this planet….So did the popes and SO DO THE PREACHERS OF TODAY! TODAY, THEY TAKE MONEY FROM THE POOR AND PUT A GUILT TRIP ON THEM IN THE NAME OF JESUS. ASK ONE CHRISTIAN FOR MONEY TO HELP YOU….YOU WON’T GET IT. THEY go to other countries, made a video and SHOW IT IN THE USA MILLIONS OF TIMES, COLLECT YOUR MONEY, LIVE IN LUXURY HOMES, WEAR NAME BRAND CLOTHES, DRIVE LUXURY CARS AND BUY EXPENSIVE AIRPLANES TO TRAVEL THE WORLD AND STAY IN EXPENSIVE HOTELS ETC. AND THAT IS WHAT JESUS TAUGHT??????????

    1. The Pope does Not drive a luxury car. Actually the Pope lives more of a simple life compared to prior Popes. I know that he doesn’t dress in the fancy dress like former Popes did. He dresses in a white gown. wears a plain hat. He refused the fancy living quarters of the prior Popes. He chose a modest apartment, even Prepares his own meals. I know that there was an employee of the Vatican, a Priest who remodeled his apartment into a Lavish Living quarters. The Pope became upset about it, kicked him out of his Lavish living quarters, turned it into a Soup Kitchen for the Poor! I like a lot that I hear about this Pope, Pope Francis. As far as the Fancy cars, I heard that he was late to a meeting. He was caught in Traffic, in his Junker of a car. I also know that he Refused to use the Pope Mobile. He is known as “The People’s Pope.” He is really Down to Earth, likes the Simple life, doesn’t care that much for money.

    2. Yes, all MANKIND (that includes me and you) are SINNERS! It was all thanks to Adam and Eve that we inherited their sin and the curse of Sin and Death entered the world.

      “Be Ye therefore PERFECT as your Father in heaven is perfect”. – Matthew: 5:48

      Jesus commands us to try to be perfect as our Father in heaven! Once Adam and Eve were perfect beings of God until they SINNED.

      The SIN is what made us “imperfect”.

  28. Luke 20:41-44
    Jesus said to them, “How can they say that the Christ is the Son of David? “Now David himself said in the Book of Psalms: ‘The LORD said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.  “Therefore David calls Him ‘Lord’; how is He then his Son?”

    If that so How can Jesus becomes Son to a human even after He was vindicated in Spirit?

    Luke 1: 46-47
    Mary said: “My soul magnifies the Lord,  And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.

    when mary has said that His saviour Jesus is Lord, How Jesus would become Son of Mary?

    when did she ever emphasised that Jesus as “My Son” as heavenly Father emphasised it so many times, or did Jesus ever emphasised mary as “My Mother”, How many times? rather He said to His beloved disciple John “Behold, your mother!”(John 19:27). He had safely given Mary to a responsible beloved disciple John saying “Your Mother”.

    eventhough she has given birth to a Holy Son, She knows He is Son of God, who was then vindicated in Spirit.

    2Corinthians 5:16
    Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer.

  29. Dont get confused using a wrong translation. suggest you to read a catholic edition along with greek interlinear new testament.

    Here i give u the correct translation from catholic edition itself along with footnotes. read it properly.
    Luke 1:28 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE),
    “He (angel gabriel) came to her(Mary) and said, “Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you.”[a]

    Luke 1:28 Other ancient authorities add Blessed are you among women.

    John 1:16 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
    “From his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace”.

    please understand, For out of Jesus’s fullness (abundance) we have all received [including mary, all had a share and we were all supplied with] one grace after another and spiritual blessing upon spiritual blessing and even favor upon favor and gift [heaped] upon gift.

  30. I definitely believe Catholics are Christians, Catholics have done more charity and blessings for others than any protestant I have ever come across. whatever faults the pope’s have had, followers of the Catholic faith have done amazing things in Jesus’ name. it never ceases to amaze me how Protestants always rubbish Catholics, but never do they ever give of themselves and in charity like Catholics have. While I do not totally agree with the venerating of Mary, I do acknowledge Catholics as Christians. Not all so-called Christians are really Christians in my view either. If Christians are so worried about idolatry why did the temple have the Cherubims etc. And why do so many pentecostal Christians idolize money and God bless me bless me constantly. How many would live as monks in poverty living solely for worshipping and praying petitions to God. I find many of the replies on here just hypocrytical and in no way a reference to Jesus’ love for mankind.

    1. The House of God is made of, collectively, people who believe in Jesus as the Son of God and follow His teachings. It does not matter whether or not one does a ton of good deeds. It is stated in the bible that we are free from the curse of the Law and that we will always be sinners no matter what we do. It is not through works but through faith and the grace of God that we are saved.(from Ephesians 2:8)

      Romans 3:22
      This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile,

      Romans 4:5But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

      The truth is that the worst drunkards you have seen may declare that they have faith in Jesus and God, and you may not believe it because perhaps they actually do not really have faith. But a thief may also declare themselves a Christian because they really do have faith. Through strong faith, one will naturally walk in the footsteps of Jesus, but as a sinner we are never perfect and may be led astray occasionally. Please do not prosecute those who have little faith nor rebuke the false prophets of Christian faith. For it is the human nature that such sins are committed and it is the reason why we need God in our lives even more.

      1. Dennis ~ You are entirely correct that we are justified before God by His grace and not our own works.

        Yet, would you deny that we need to grow in grace? Or that, as you mention, when we don’t act in accord with the great grace Our Lord has shown us that we need to repent and be willing to walk in greater grace?

        This is what the Catholic Church teaches. Protestants call is ‘sanctification’. Catholics call it ‘ongoing justification’.

        No one is claiming that apart from God’ grace anyone can do anything good. But we are called – by Jesus Himself – to produce fruit in keeping with repentance. Mt. 3:8. Our motive is love of Christ and gratitude for His grace, not earning salvation. But Our Lord is quite clear that we must bear fruit that shows His grace in our lives.

        The New Testament is replete with verses that show that grace must work itself out as much as possible in a Christlike life, that is, our deeds should reflect God’ grace in our lives. James is clear: faith without deeds is dead. Galatians 6:9 – Let us not be weary in well doing. 2 Tim. 3: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

        Our motivation for doing these deeds is love of Christ and gratitude for His grace; but there are deeds nonetheless. We repent when we do not live out the grace God has given us, or live in accord with it.

        Please go deeper in the Scripture. You have only scratched the surface.

        God bless.

        A Catholic

        1. Mary was a sinner like us all. She shouldn’t be put above our Lord and Saviour, she had more children after Jesus, to Joseph. Just read the bible, Jesus should be put above her.

          1. She had Other children? Someone pointed out to me that the Bible says that Jesus had BROTHERS. Remember, back in those days, Everyone called others Brothers and Sisters. ‘Spiritual Brothers.” I was told that James and Joseph (Joses) were both Brothers of Jesus, and Sons of Mary. They Were Brothers of Jesus, NOT Biological Brothers, but Spiritual Brothers. And James and Joseph were Sons of Mary—-A DIFFERENT Mary! Not Mary, the mother of Jesus. There were 3 Marys at the Cross, Mary, the Mother of Jesus, Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and Mary Magdeline. Also, IF Mary had Other sons (Some list 4) WHY did Jesus Entrust the Apostle JOHN with His mother, Mary? He gave Mary to the Apostle John, so John could care for her. That would have TOTALLY Violated Jewish custom! Jewish custom was that the Next son in line would be given his mother, to care for her. So, WHY would Jesus give Mary to the Apostle John, who was NOT his biological Brother, and was Not Mary’s Son? Again, that was Totally Violating Jewish custom. Perhaps because she had No Other sons, and Jesus had No biological brothers. For some reason, people seem to ignore the verse where Jesus gives Mary to the Apostle John.

          2. Also, the Church does NOT Put Mary ABOVE Jesus. They Never did. I went to a class on Mary a few months ago. At the Class they mentioned that Mary is NOTHING without Jesus. Also, I have a good book, a Catholic Book, A BIBLICAL DEFENSE OF CATHOLICISM, where, in the Chapter on Mary, there are quotes that say that. Archbishop Fulton sheen said “Mary is NOTHING without Jesus.” Have you ever looked up anything on CATHOLIC ANSWERS? That is a good site. You will not find anything in that site, or Any Catholic (legitimate site) that says that Catholics put Mary ABOVE Jesus. And I found something very interesting about Prayer. The article, written by a Fr. Dwight Longenecker, where he discussed Praying to Mary, explaining how Praying to her is Not Worship. Many have gotten away from what True Worship really is. True Worship is SACRIFICE. It was considered True Worship until around the time of the Protestant Reformation. Then Protestants didn’t Like the idea of sacrifice as worship, so they Removed it. So, people are Not Worshiping Mary, unless they Are OFFERING SACRIFICES To her. Then it would be worship. And you won’t find Priests Offering Sacrifices to Mary, or a saint. The Mass is a Sacrifice to God, to Jesus.

          3. Mark 6:3 & Matthew 13:55-56 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE) says,
            “…Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all this?..”

            1. Do these Jews speaking about relative father, relative mother, relative brothers and sisters???,
            2. Are they not speaking about one household members which their eyes seen for years??
            3. Is it not these Jews thinking that Jesus is born from Joseph and Mary literally; and naming his siblings from his own household????,
            4. Is it not these Jews wonder how this Jesus is different from his siblings, who were normal like other fleshly man???

            Is it that Jews don’t know to distinguish between relatives and siblings??
            Luke 1:36
            “…behold, even your relative Elizabeth”.
            Won’t you say Elizabeth is Mary’s relative????

            John 19:25
            “..standing by the cross of Jesus were His mother, and His mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.”
            will you say Mary the wife of Clopas is a long relative to Jesus’s mother?

            If you people exaggerate everything you cannot understand the Truth of the Holy Scripture.

    2. To: Bro. Peggy Fuchs,

      Peace of our Lord and our God Jesus Christ be with you and all.

      As you said:
      “I do acknowledge Catholics as Christians. Not all so-called Christians are really Christians in my view either. If Christians are so worried about idolatry why…?

      You are a Catholic or a Christian?
      I ask you this because first you are saying “Catholics as Christians”, then saying “Not all so-called Christians are Christians”,
      but then you are asking “If Christians are so worried…why?

      Anyway you are asking as a Catholic to Christians as why?

      whether you believe Catholics are Christians, Whether you believe Protestants are Christians or not. Word of God says,
      Romans 8:9 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
      “Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him”.

      which means anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ is not a Christian.

      Here no denominal name plays a role here.

      You said “Catholics have done more charity and blessings for others”
      I say you dont know the History of Dark ages in Christianity done under the authority of pope in the name of Catholic. I recommend you to read the History about Christianity from 1AD TO 1900AD.

      Matthew 7:17
      “Every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit”.

      so, Catholic Church is a good tree or bad tree?
      if you say good tree, then

      what about the catholic priests who involves in sexual abuse cases which comes in the news often around the world ?

      what about the catholic priests and bishops who sit in their A/c rooms eating porks, meats, delicious foods, drinkinking wine, beer and rum without thinking about the poor people in Catholic church? (which i know it personally)

      what about the poor people in catholic church who does not get proper english education in their congregational schools when those congregations gets lots of funds in the name of poors? (especially in India). I know when priests and nuns rubbishly talk to the poor people when they are unable to pay the school fees of their childrens, what u will say about it? is it charity by getting funds in the name of poor people and not doing to them.

      what about the caste discrimination fights among catholic priests in India? what about the election of pope, is it purely divine inspirational or by the majority of cardinals vote belongs to that particular country selects the pope?

      what about the Crusade war which pope held as a political leader of catholic church in the name of Jesus? is it the blessing for others? did Jesus said to carry out war tactics?

      Even Atheists are doing more charity than catholic from their own pocket but not getting from others and misusing it.

      Dont you know how many saints did catholic church killed for preaching the Word of God from bible? Her idolatory, Her rich will become one day naked as per the prophecy. In her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.  Rejoice over her, O heaven, and [you] holy apostles and prophets, for God has avenged you on her!”

      Revelation 18: 20, 23-24, 4-8, 2
      Rejoice over her, O heaven, and [you] holy apostles and prophets, for God has avenged you on her!. “The light of a lamp shall not shine in you anymore, and the voice of bridegroom and bride shall not be heard in you anymore. For your merchants were the great men of the earth, for by your sorcery all the nations were deceived. And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.”
      And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.  “For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.  “Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her.  “In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit [as] queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’  “Therefore her plagues will come in one day — death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong [is] the Lord God who judges her. 

      Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird!

      I definitely believe Catholics are Christians, Catholics have done more charity and blessings for others than any protestant I have ever come across. whatever faults the pope’s have had, followers of the Catholic faith have done amazing things in Jesus’ name. it never ceases to amaze me how Protestants always rubbish Catholics, but never do they ever give of themselves and in charity like Catholics have. While I do not totally agree with the venerating of Mary, I do acknowledge Catholics as Christians. Not all so-called Christians are really Christians in my view either. If Christians are so worried about idolatry why did the temple have the Cherubims etc. And why do so many pentecostal Christians idolize money and God bless me bless me constantly. How many would live as monks in poverty living solely for worshipping and praying petitions to God. I find many of the replies on here just hypocrytical and in no way a reference to Jesus’ love for mankind.

      1. Dear heart ~

        The teachings of the Catholic church are 100% Biblical.

        While there are some who do not practice their faith well – which you note in great detail – there are many others who do.

        This occurs in non-Catholic Christian churches as well.

        Please go back and re-read the 1900 years of church history you mention. In it, yes, you will see evidence of fallen Christians. But amazingly you will see a teaching history and a Spirit-led governing authority that points directly to Christ.

        The teaching and authority of the Church is 100% biblical and 100% divinely inspired. Even if the people are not.

        1. when it is written in scripture:
          Matthew 23:9
            “Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 

          your so called head of the catholic Church is given the title pope=father. Is it biblical?

          When it is written in Scripture:
          Matthew 23:8
          ” you are all brothers.”
          but you are having hierarchical order in your religion.

          John 10:16 says
          “one shepherd”, which is Jesus Christ, He is the One and only Pastor or Bishop.

          But your religion has a hierarchical order as Pope, Cardinals, Bishops and layman.

          when Jesus said “you are all brothers”, is it biblical to follow your religion. you culprits.

          Matthew 20:25-27
          Jesus said to His disciples, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those who are great exercise authority over them.  “Yet it shall not be so among you”.

          there is no surprise to say that your religion is not a Christian culture but a gentile culture of satan to dominate others.

          When pope innocent III said in 1208AD, “it is right to kill and to burn other christians in the stake”.
          is it biblical? and they killed other Christians, is this amazing authority?

          In the name of “Inquistion” Roman pagan catholic religion killed other christians, you culprits is it 100% biblical?

          John 18:36
          Jesus said to pontius pilate, ” My kingdom is not of this world”.
          but your so called pope ruling vatican country. you culprits is this biblical ?

          Rome 8:36
          Paul says: “For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.” 
          these Apostles gave their life as Jesus, but you slaughters, you killed other christians in the name of “Inquisition “. you first read the History of the Church opening your eyes. you are doubly accountable for innocent souls in catholic.

          is it biblical for your religious leader to have a golden rod in his hand?
          is it biblical to have royal hat in his head?

          Acts 17:27,29.
          ” They should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. “Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent.

          is the above verse unbiblical for your religion?, do not guide others when you are blind from the Truth. Do not Judge other Christians when you did not removed speck from your cult pagan religion catholic.

          why do you boast saying a denomination name, is that 100% biblical?
          1Corinthians 1:12-13
          Each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?.

          Let you boast in Lord but not in denomination
          1Corinthians 1:31
          As it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the LORD.”

          1. You ask whether calling the Pope “Holy Father”, or Priests “Father” Is it Biblical. Well, it is NOT Unbiblical. I know that people like to quote that One Verse “Call No Man Father” to use against the Catholic Church. I know that Jesus used HYPERBOLE a lot. Hyperbole means “Exaggeration.” What about the verse where Jesus said “If your EYE Offendeth, PLUCK it out.” How many Christians, Catholics or otherwise, follow that verse. How many One-Eyed Christians do you see running around? Jesus did not mean it Literally, He did Not mean that we should actually pluck our eye out. People who accuse Catholics of Not Following Scripture do the Same Thing, when they choose not to Pluck their eye out. What about the verse that says that woman should keep their Head Covered, while Praying pr Prophesying. I know it says that those that Don’t must SHAVE their hair, or cut their hair. How many Newly BALD women, or women with VERY SHORT hair do you see in Church? Very few follow that, except perhaps for Mennonite or Amish. The point is: Why do people FOCUS on one verse, to use against Catholics (Or any other Church) when they Don’t Follow Every Verse Literally? And I believe, if you Read FURTHER into that verse, where it says “Call No Man Father” it says something about “Call No Man TEACHER.” A friend of mine who Was Not Catholic, who Turned Catholic, said he knew of some who called their Ministers TEACHERS. THEY Ran the Catholic Church down for calling Priests FATHER, yet, Didn’t read FAR ENOUGH into that very same verse, to see that they were NOT Following it. Again, many things that Jesus said was HYPERBOLE (Exaggeration). Look it up. He was known to use Hyperbole a lot to make a point.

      2. Oh, I love it. The Internet rantings against Catholics always use the same old insults. Let’s drag 2000 years of history into the debate, let’s demonize 1.2 billion Catholics for a few dozen priests and one really misguided at best administrator who became a cardinal. You attack the upper echelons of the church for its artifacts and trappings yet you ignore the fact most priests don’t live well off. “which i know it personally” Really? I’ve never met a rich priest or bishop, they are simply living in borrowed quarters paid for by the many small alms of the parishioners. Don’t be jealous we’re more numerous and a single dollar from 1.2 billion people add up to enough to give those who dedicate their lives to Christ and ministering to his flock a nice hot meal and a clean bed. Are you trying to tell me that no man of God in this church can wear finery or a ring or cross of gold if a single person goes hungry? We do give most of our offerings to the poor but you wouldn’t be expected to know that by reading some spin on the Net. If the Catholics are guilty of some sin for having robed cardinals and a pope then let’s go ahead and condemn every protestant minister who preaches in a pretty on the exterior mega-church and smiles brightly for the cameras. Go ahead and tell me you hold every Christian who dares to be a bit pudgy as a hypocrite who won’t feed the poor or house the homeless or give them the shirt off your back as Jesus commanded in the Gospels. If you attach the sins of the past onto the current crop of Catholics then all Protestants are attached to their past sins as well. You can have the Salem witch trials, the justification of slavery in the American South, and every negative act associated with so-called nondenominational Christian cultists. You do know the word Catholic means universal, right? So the original religion of Jesus was his universal church. While those who lived in the past may be considered evil today they do not control the destiny of the church they were members of. The church is the bride of Christ and we belong to Him. So long as we acknowledge that we are Christians. Where is your fellowship with other Christians? Perhaps you should remove the board from your own eye before helping us with our motes.

        1. Dear brother,

          I was too same as you being greatly attached to the catholic church. You no need to tell me what the catholic word means. I know the catholic church in and out. So it does not mean now that I am a protestant or a pentecoast.

          Whether catholic did/is doing good or bad, I saw/am seeing bad weighs more than good in it, this is because the church does not completely abides to the Scripture’s authority. Most of the Man made thesis and ideas of this church are always condratictary to the scripture’s authority.

          1 Corinthians 4:6New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

          “Nothing beyond what is written,” so that none of you will be puffed up in favor of one against another.

          If the catholic follows “Nothing beyond what is written”, sure the core teaching of the catholic faith will also change and it will not condratict the scripture any more.

          Luke 11:11-13
          If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if [he asks] for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? “Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? “If you then, Being EVIL, KNOW HOW TO GIVE GOOD GIFTS…”

          Even evil persons knows to do good things for their children. Even those who do not believe God and other religion people doing more charity.

          2Corinthians 8:13-14
          For this is not for the ease of others and for your affliction, but by way of equality–  at this present time your abundance being a supply for their need, so that their abundance also may become a supply for your need, that there may be equality.

          From the above verse, The equal sharity is the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles. We are doing these things and so we teach in our small fellowship and to others.

          1Corinthians 9:27
          I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.

          1. “Nothing beyond what is written”
            None of the Reformers cited this verse to support Sola scrip.
            Paul refers to a proverb probably referring to the OT.
            So do you stick only to the OT.?
            Or was he referring to every piece of writing up to this letter (1Cor) in AD 56 ?
            If so, you must delete al the following documents all written after 1Cor…………………..
            John’s Gospel, Acts, Romans, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, Philemon, Titus, 1 & 2 Timothy, Hebrews, James, 1 & 2 Peter, 1, 2, & 3 John, Jude, and Revelation would all have to be jettisoned as non-authoritative.

            Or, does writing something down, at any date, make it authoratative?

      3. You ask her if she is a Catholic or a Christian? Catholics Are Christians! I would never say that a Protestant is Not a Christian. I had a Great Grandmother, who died in 1980, at the age of 100. She was a Strict Baptist. I know that she is in Heaven today. her daughter, my grandmother, died in 2003, at the age of 101. She also was Not Catholic, but I know was saved. I just thank God that most Protestants don’t say what you are saying, saying that Catholics are Not Christian. Many good Christian Catholics.

      4. When you bring up the priests who molest—-Remember that we are All Sinners. Many Priests are Not Molesters. The majority are Not. I know that people like to go into the past and run the Church down for things like the Inquisitions. I know that there have been Lies told about the Spanish Inquisition. I am reading a good book that you might like to read?? it is about the REAL Spanish Inquisition. The Title of the book is THE SPANISH INQUISITION, by Henry Kamen. Kamen is a noted expert on the history of Spain. Actually, the Church, the Popes spoke out against the cruelties of the Spanish inquisition. Because of the Catholic Church’s efforts, many lives were actually SAVED during the Spanish Inquisition. Many received light sentences, the Many stories that have been spread about the Church’s involvement, have been Greatly Exaggerated. It was the Seculars, the King and Queen of Spain, who considered Heresy to be a capital offense, NOT the Church. A really good book, yelling about the Real Inquisition. There have been many Lies told about the Church, this is only One.

        1. not many priest are molesters but they drinks liqors, most nuns drink liqors and have dance parties combining as large group of priest and nuns, don’t know what is happening beyond there. Paying bulg amount of money to get a particular money generating parish church, showing false accounts in handling fund money seminaries. One day God will bring everything to the light and so the gentiles will fear the righteous judgement of God.

          1. Some drink alcohol, yes. But, many Do Not. They are Humans, after all, and are sinners. Some Protestant leaders also drink, yet, many don’t. We are All Sinners.

      5. Did you REALLY Read Rev. 17, and REV 18? Really read, and really try to Comprehend? There are words that should Pop-Out at you, PROVING that they are Not talking about the Catholic Church. Just curious, do you say that the Catholic Church didn’t get it’s start until the Third Century under Constantine? It got it’s start in the First Century. And those who say that they believe that the Catholic Church didn’t get it’s start until the Third Century—–They can’t say THAT and say that REV. 17, and REV. is about the Catholic Church. That is a Total Contradiction. A person can’t say that, and say that the Church is being referred to in REV. 17, and REV. 18. It just Doesn’t Add up. You may not say that the Catholic Church didn’t start until the Third Century. But, IF you do say that, understand that you can’t say Both. A total contradiction. If you’d like, I’ll point out Why.

        1. Revelation 1:19
          Therefore write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after these things.

          You have to understand that Revelation is speaking about past, present and future, that is why it is called Revelation. You are not reading it as REVELATION because you are reading it in your own knowledge.

          It spoked about what was going to come. Scripture is not condracting with the TRUTH, the lack of wisdom in you is condracting with the TRUTH, because you are speaking for denomination but not for TRUTH. I did not contradicted with my message because I am speaking from the TRUTH of the Holy Spirit with the genuine heart. I can show you very well for REV 18. Roman catholicism was started in 381AD, No other Church like yours fought with the TRUTH, but this church fought like this against The TRUTH and killed those who stood for the TRUTH. Even this church killed their own members for correcting the church’s wrong doings. Don’t blame other christians since others blame yours, see your own speck. I am telling this as a former Roman Catholic. If u have guts go in the name of Jesus and correct the catholic church head officials, i did that and so we were isolated because money is ruling them. I love innocent people in catholics and served them full time without charging money. For the sake of TRUTH we were isolated and now concentrating with gentiles as paul went to preach gentiles.

          Even today the catholic church is going against the TRUTH in the scripture.

          Romans 1:26-32
          Holy Spirit spoke through paul like this,..
          “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.  And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29  being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30  slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31  without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32  and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them”.

          But catholic church just want membership thats it, they dont wants sheeps but goats. They just want to show the multitudes of membership as a showcase. They love and respect homsexuals because they want their membership thats it. They dont know to show its people difference between the actions of the Holy Spirit and the actions of the evil spirit. In the name of Love they are teaching their own children to accept the actions of the evil spirit, because the church has become more corrupted and it is still growing more.

          When Paul speaking in the Holy Spirit condemning the evil actions of homosexuals, why your church is acting in the screen behind false love to welcome homosexuals?? Because your church wants only membership numbers to follow the crooked faith like goats.

          1 Corinthians 7:10-13
          But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband, but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband, and that the husband should not divorce his wife. But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away.

          Even in the above teaching of the Holy Spirit, catholic church is wavering eventhough they say that they are standing firm in the doctrine. There is still confusions going inside your church, especial in the synod.

          Is the body of christ(communion) is the playing stuff for the catholic church to say remmaried can take comminion. Actually they should remain unmarried.
          You church is actively separately from Christ by following own stuffs and crooked faith. You welcome homesexuals and all evil things like anti-christ in the name of love.

          2John 1:6
          This is love: that we walk according to His commandments. 

          John 7:24
          Jesus said:
          “Don’t be judging by appearances, but judge with righteous judgment!”

          1Corinthains 5:11-13
           “I(Paul) am writing to you to stop associating with any so-called brother if he is sexually immoral, greedy, an idolater, a slanderer, a drunk, or a robber. You must even stop eating with someone like that.  After all, is it my business to judge outsiders? You are to judge those who are in the community, aren’t you? God will judge outsiders. So, “Expel that wicked man from your Church.” 

          2Corinthians 10:3-5
          For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh,  for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses. We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ.

          We accept that protestants did mistake too, and also its explicitly know that today most of greedy pentecostalism churches have grown to the corrupted way. They are handling truth in hands but following the TRUTH. But in catholic peoples are innocent without knowing the Truth but abiding the faith whcih their heart drives because of their leaders.

          We condemn every yeast and false things that is spreading by any so called churches, leaders and doctrines. Happy to see that many like us are already there and coming out from corrupted communities and working for the kindgom of God. Whether they are joined with us or doing separately, but we see them that they are in Christ as an Organ in His body. So, nothing to boast on ourselves.

          We are trying to do this now. As per the law of equality in Christ.
          Acts 2:44-47
          “And all those who had believed were together and had all things in common; and they began selling their property and possessions and were sharing them with all, as anyone might have need.  Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart,  praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord was adding to their number day by day those who were being saved.

          Matthew 6:19-20
          “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth,…… “But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven”.

          1. I know that REV. is talking about the Future, also present. REV. 18:20, 24 tells us that APOSTLES and PROPHETS were persecuted. I know that some Fundamentalist Christians like to say that the Catholic Church didn’t get it’s start until the Third Century, under Constantine. not True. They ALSO like to say that REV. 17 and REV. 18 refer to the Catholic church as the Whore, as some like the word harlot. Hope you see that they Can’t say that the C.C did not Start until the Third Century AND say that REV. 17 and REV. 18 refer to the C.C it just Does NOT Add up. Again, note in REV. 18:20, 24 it mentions APOSTLES, PROPHETS, and saints as being persecuted. The Apostles, Jesus’ Twelve apostles, lived at the Time of Christ, and into the First Century. They sure did Not live into the THIRD Century. So, how could the Catholic Church persecute Apostles in the FIRST Century, IF they Did not get their start until the Third Century? It is just Not possible. Apostles were persecuted, so, the whore had to exist in the First Century! Now, some may argue that the word Apostles does Not necessarily refer to Jesus’ Twelve Apostles. Jesus’ Twelve Apostles were the Only ones called Apostles. Other followers were called Disciples. Pretty much the same thing could be said about the PROPHETS. The Prophets existed in the Old Testament and into the First Century, Not into the Third. Also, note REV. 17:10 where it tells of us “Seven Kings, Five had Fallen, ONE IS…” This verse tells us that Five Kings had fallen in John’s Day, ONE IS, meaning that one existed AS HE was Writing it! Like you said, REV. is speaking about the Future, yet, not only the Future, but the past and the present, clearly noticed in John’s writing in REV. 17:10. Not sure if you have ever said, ever been told that the C.C did Not get it’s start until the Third Century. Hopefully, you can see that a person can’t say that, AND say that REV. 17 and REV. 18 refer to the Catholic Church. That just does Not Add up. REV. 17 and REV. is most likely speaking of Pagan Rome, the Roman Empire which existed Hundreds of years Before Christ. The “Kings” in REV. 17:10 is most likely the Roman emperors. Hope you see this.

          2. Is it only 12 are Apostles?? Is it no prophet in new testament??? Is it no saints killed by R.c.c??
            Let the Holy Spirit gives you the answer

            Acts 14:14 says Barnabas as Apostle, Acts 21:10 says, “…a prophet named Agabus”
            1 Corinthians 12:28 and Ephesians 4:11 says about Apostles and Prophets in the church, the matter is they don’t praise their titles, but Apostles did to express their work for Christ.

            Don’t call anyone as Father, leader, high priest, teacher, pastor or bishop, because we have one Father; one Lord, who is our leader, teacher, He is that one shepherd which means one and only pastor or bishop. All are brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ.

            So, designation of Apostles are many, designation of prophets are many, All who received the Holy spirit are called saints.

            In short I am giving the History of two early groups,
            In second Century there were so many group divisions according to their theological doctrines, the few of the notable groups are Arians, catholic etc…. The term Arians and catholic did not meant for institution but rather a small group name, also before this group came into exist Ignatius of Antioch used the word catholic as one of the praising word for the Church as universal.

            Arians and catholic groups killed each other for doctrinal issues,at first King constantine supported the doctrine of catholics, and exciled Arians group, king constantine is the pontiff maximus and leader of all religious customs in Rome, he also made christianity as state religion, along with these things he encouraged roman paganism without getting baptism. After much longer during his death bed he accepted Arians and received baptism from them. In 381AD, king Theodus I, established the name “Roman catholic church”, before 381Ad the Roman catholic was called Latin Church and the eastern part of Rome, i.e., present turkey, asia minor, constantinople(present istanbul) was called Holy catholic church, they were called eastern orthodox or greek orthodoxy. Later, Roman Catholic aquired many churches like egypt, antioch etc especially because of war assistance to them, pope was actually given the title pontiff, who is the high priest.

            so, no matter what name they keep, see their actions. The core fight of the early groups were trinity problem about the divinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, because of this they killed each other. In 386AD idols came into church and was worshipped and venerated inside the Roman catholic church.

            the killing of the saints, apostles and prophets continued as in the ancient rome by the so called pontiff’s authority, who is the high priest and political leader.

            I recommend you to watch the documentry “Lamp in the dark” by Adulab films and also “Tares among the wheat” by Adulab films. These documentries are not false, they have given with reliable references from where they have taken.

          3. You asked me whether only Jesus’ Apostles (The 12 Apostles) were called Apostles, in a message you sent me in response to the one I sent you about REV. 17:10, and REV. 18:20,24 . Only Jesus’ Twelve Apostles were called Apostles. The other followers were called disciples. I know that we can All be called Disciples, as we are followers of Christ. Disciple means “Student.” So we can all call ourselves Disciples, as we are all students, all learning in our journey as Christians. And the word Prophets, in REV. 18:20….Prophets existed in the Old Testament, and into the First Century. But, Not the Third century. As I mentioned before, there are Fundamentalist Christians who like to say that the Catholic Church did not get it’s start in the Third Century, under Constantine. The same ones, many of them Also say that REV. 17:10 and REV. 18:20, 24 refer to the Catholic Church. Hopefully you will see how they can’t say that AND say that REV. refers to the Catholic church. It just Doesn’t Add up. Also, REV. 17:10 , John tells us that One King Existed as he was Writing it! One Is! Those Kings would most likely be the Roman Emperors. The Roman Empire existed Hundreds of years Before Christ. Nero was one of those emperors, a horribly cruel man, who persecuted Saints and Apostles, and Prophets. And saints does not have to refer to the Catholic church’s Saints, the ones they canonize. The Church teaches that All that live the Christian life are Saints. ALL of us are saints. Thank you and God Bless you

          4. I told someone that there are verses in the Bible telling us of a Purification of souls After death. You left me a message, asking me to show you ONE Verse that shows this. There was no REPLY Button to that message, so I am answering to another one of your messages. For now, I will point out Two verses, but there are several more. Before I provide them, understand that the word Purgatory is not in the Bible, yet, there are verses that point to a Third State, a state of final purification or sanctification after death. My favorite verse is: MATTHEW 12:32 ” And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, Either in THIS AGE or THE AGE TO COME.” The Age to Come? If sins can be forgiven in the “Age to Come” (The Afterlife), this must be Purgatory. Now, one that JESUS said, showing that He agrees that there is a Third State: ” But, I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgement; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says ‘You Fool!’ shall be liable to the Hell of fire.” Note that it is only the Third offense which is punished with Hell. Note in that statement of Jesus He mentions JUDGEMENT, the COUNCIL, and HELL. Some look at the Judgement as being on earth, the council as being in Purgatory, and Hell—–Three things. There are actually many more verses. Most Non-Catholics believe that we are ALL Sinners, that we are All Sinners until the day we die. Catholics believe that, too. And most believe that there is NO PLACE in Heaven for sin, for an unclean soul. And there isn’t. Heaven is a Perfect place. I have talked to many Protestants. Most say that for people who are CHRISTIANS, there is a final purification or sanctification of souls after death, to enable us to get into Heaven. I have heard some say that this Sanctification of souls might happen in a split second! THAT is What PURGATORY IS! If you are interested, if you haven’t already read it, may I suggest an article entitled “HOW TO EXPLAIN PURGATORY TO PROTESTANTS by Jimmy (James) Akin. He explains what Purgatory IS and ISN’T. He says that he feels that most Protestants do believe in Purgatory, they just Don’t Call it that. I am sure that is true. God is a Loving God who wants all of us to be saved, to get to Heaven. Several months ago, I was having a discussion with a friend. She claimed to Not Believe in Purgatory. I gave her an example. I used the example of a Good Christian, one who lived a Christian life, who was righteous. I asked what would happen if that good Christian got into an argument with a neighbor, said some nasty things to the neighbor, lost their temper. I asked her what would Happen to this Good Christian—-I asked what would happen if that person who had lost their temper, DID NOT have a Chance to repent, to ask God for Forgiveness, and they Dropped dead a few minutes later, or an hour later, Without having a chance to repent. Would they Go to Hell? She hesitated, then said “Well, Their sins would be WIPED OUT.” I responded, “Wiped out? Like in a FINAL Purification Process of Souls After death?” She became Angry. I repeated the question. Finally, she said that she “MISSPOKE.” She would NOT ADMIT that she just Might believe in a Final Purification of souls after death. So she repeated to me that she “MISSPOKE.” She obviously, to me, anyway, believed in the idea of Purgatory. She just could not Admit it. Purgatory, or whatever people want to CALL it, is a final purification after death. it is NOT a Second Chance, as some like to call it. It is for CHRISTIANS, for people who Accept Jesus, who live the Christian life. For those who DON’T, they Won’t be Saved. Again, the article is by JIMMY AKIN. A very good article. And, if YOU believe like my friend did, that your sins are WIPED OUT after death, that is what Purgatory Is! No Place in Heaven for an unclean soul. A Loving God wants us ALL to be saved. Hope that helps.

          5. I told someone that there are verses in the Bible telling us of a Purification of souls After death. You left me a message, asking me to show you ONE Verse that shows this. There was no REPLY Button to that message, so I am answering to another one of your messages. For now, I will point out Two verses, but there are several more. Before I provide them, understand that the word Purgatory is not in the Bible, yet, there are verses that point to a Third State, a state of final purification or sanctification after death. My favorite verse is: MATTHEW 12:32 ” And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, Either in THIS AGE or THE AGE TO COME.” The Age to Come? If sins can be forgiven in the “Age to Come” (The Afterlife), this must be Purgatory. Now, one that JESUS said, showing that He agrees that there is a Third State: ” But, I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgement; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says ‘You Fool!’ shall be liable to the Hell of fire.” Note that it is only the Third offense which is punished with Hell. Note in that statement of Jesus He mentions JUDGEMENT, the COUNCIL, and HELL. Some look at the Judgement as being on earth, the council as being in Purgatory, and Hell—–Three things. There are actually many more verses. Most Non-Catholics believe that we are ALL Sinners, that we are All Sinners until the day we die. Catholics believe that, too. And most believe that there is NO PLACE in Heaven for sin, for an unclean soul. And there isn’t. Heaven is a Perfect place. I have talked to many Protestants. Most say that for people who are CHRISTIANS, there is a final purification or sanctification of souls after death, to enable us to get into Heaven. I have heard some say that this Sanctification of souls might happen in a split second! THAT is What PURGATORY IS! If you are interested, if you haven’t already read it, may I suggest an article entitled “HOW TO EXPLAIN PURGATORY TO PROTESTANTS by Jimmy (James) Akin. He explains what Purgatory IS and ISN’T. He says that he feels that most Protestants do believe in Purgatory, they just Don’t Call it that. I am sure that is true. God is a Loving God who wants all of us to be saved, to get to Heaven. Several months ago, I was having a discussion with a friend. She claimed to Not Believe in Purgatory. I gave her an example. I used the example of a Good Christian, one who lived a Christian life, who was righteous. I asked what would happen if that good Christian got into an argument with a neighbor, said some nasty things to the neighbor, lost their temper. I asked her what would Happen to this Good Christian—-I asked what would happen if that person who had lost their temper, DID NOT have a Chance to repent, to ask God for Forgiveness, and they Dropped dead a few minutes later, or an hour later, Without having a chance to repent. Would they Go to Hell? She hesitated, then said “Well, Their sins would be WIPED OUT.” I responded, “Wiped out? Like in a FINAL Purification Process of Souls After death?” She became Angry. I repeated the question. Finally, she said that she “MISSPOKE.” She would NOT ADMIT that she just Might believe in a Final Purification of souls after death. So she repeated to me that she “MISSPOKE.” She obviously, to me, anyway, believed in the idea of Purgatory. She just could not Admit it. Purgatory, or whatever people want to CALL it, is a final purification after death. it is NOT a Second Chance, as some like to call it. It is for CHRISTIANS, for people who Accept Jesus, who live the Christian life. For those who DON’T, they Won’t be Saved. Again, the article is by JIMMY AKIN. A very good article. And, if YOU believe like my friend did, that your sins are WIPED OUT after death, that is what Purgatory Is! No Place in Heaven for an unclean soul. A Loving God wants us ALL to be saved. Hope that helps.

          6. You may notice that my message about Purgatory came out Twice. I think I remember clicking the Reply Button, it didn’t seem to go through, so I clicked it again. That’s probably why it came out twice.

      6. You left this message to Another Peggy back in June. You asked her whether the Catholic Church is a GOOD Tree or a BAD Tree. You then mention the Pedophile priests. Is that really fair? Every Church is full of SINNERS. Saying that there are Pedophile priests, or for people who bring up the History of the Church, DOES Not make the Church a BAD TREE. Then every Church should be called a Bad Tree, because they are Full of Sinners. When people run the Church down for much of it’s history…they just Don’t Think! Running the Church down for things done by SOME Catholics….remember that even Jesus’ ministry was NOT Perfect. Now, Jesus WAS Perfect, IS Perfect, as He is God, yet…His human followers sure were NOT. The Apostles were ALL Sinners. Peter denied Jesus Three times. Jesus even had One Bad Apostle, Judas, who Betrayed Him. For people to run the Church down for faults, and there were plenty, It makes Not Much Sense when even Jesus’ Ministry was Not perfect. HIS Part WAS, IS Perfect, yet, the Apostles? There were even a few evil Popes. That does NOT make the entire Church bad. Even when it was bad, there were good Christian people in the Church, trying to change it from within. The Church admits that there were Corrupt people, yet…That does Not make the Church itself corrupt. There was a lot of Evil in Non-Catholic churches, too. Yet, a lot of people don’t like to admit that. It’s almost like in Pointing Fingers at the Catholic Church they can Ignore the problems in their Own Churches. And there are plenty of problems in other Churches. too. What about the few Non-Catholic Churches that have been saying that Life Does not start at Conception? And saying that Abortion OK. And there are a few that are starting to come out and say that. Notice I said a FEW. There are many Non-Catholic Christians who Do not Accept Abortion, yet a Few Churches are starting to say abortion OK. NOT the Catholic Church! And what about Divorce ? Some (Not All) are allowing Divorce after Divorce and remarriage after remarriage after…. But Not the Catholic Church! And what about Same-sex marriages? There have been a Few Non-Catholic Churches who have allowed same-sex marriages, but not the Catholic Church! ( This was long before the recent Supreme Court ruling). We need to Focus on These Churches, too, NOT just the Catholic Church. We need to Focus on the Changing Moral Compasses of ALL the Churches! I am not saying that there are Not Catholics who Approve of Abortion. There are. And it is wrong. A while ago someone said something to me about people who Ignore REAL Issues, such as those Issues I mentioned, and things like ISIS, the Killings by ISIS, and they Focus on STATUES. Hope you are Not One who Focuses ONLY on the Catholic Church, and Ignores the Real Issues. Sometimes it does seem easier to Focus on the Faults of Others, and Not on our Own. I have often been guilty of that. We are ALL Sinners. The Catholic Church is FULL of Sinners, yet, that does Not make it a ” Bad Tree.” Thank God for Jesus! WITHOUT Jesus Every Church would be a “Bad Tree.” I trust Jesus. I trust it when He promised that the “Gates of Hell” would Not Prevail against His Church. I didn’t mean to make this so long. I know that WITHOUT Jesus I would be Nothing. I would be a “Bad Tree” if Not for His Help. I AM a BAD TREE. A Sinner. Praise Jesus!

        1. Barnabas is also an Apostle, the meaning for the Apostle means that those who sees Jesus in vision and goes to preach the Gospel. The Church should have Apostles, Prophets, Teachers, Healers, casting out demons, this is what Paul had said. But, they wont keep it as prefix title for themselves, seeing their fruits and gifts we call them as elder brother. Evangelist Philip had four daughters who were prophetess.

          In Ephesians 4:11-15, Paul says, He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming; but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ.

          No Apostles anymore??? Is not Jesus the greatest Apostle??? Is not Jesus a greatest prophet??? No Prophets anymore???? No Pastors or Bishop anymore???? No Evangelist anymore??? No teachers anymore??? Only those who call themselves today as Apostles, Pastors, Bishop, Evangelist, Teachers are really that kind??? No. Do not call anyone with prefixed honorable title that Jesus deserved, because there is ONE TEACHER, ONE SHEPHERD, ONE LEADER. Its all gifts of the Holy Spirit.
          You want to defend for roman catholic tradition and make it right with some scripture. But, Jesus defended satan again with the scripture.

          If you say that R.C is not a bad tree, don’t you know that the little yeast leavens the whole church if it is not removed. But, Leaven has grown too much because they want to make the wrong tradition right by saying purgatory, praying to saints, welcoming and respecting homosexuals, playing with the Body of Christ for the sake of divorced and remarried persons for their own desires.

          How did the title pontiff claimed by your pope???? Do you know what is the meaning for pontiff?? How did he became political leader of a country??? Don’t you remember Jesus words, John 18:36, “My Kingdom is not of this world”.
          Peter said in Acts 3:6, “I do not possess silver and gold”, but why your pope and bishops having so costly rings?? Huh great rich peoples. Seekers of honorable titles and riches.
          Why did Augustine of Hippo said no salvation outside your church???? How can Augustine of Hippo says that the wrong doctrine teachers outsider your church should be given lashes and can be exciled??? Did Paul exciled anyone or excommunicated???? Paul, told to excommunicate the person who is so called brother doing evil inside the church.

          Why R.C church did crusade war against Muslims???? you know why they did killing muslims because already they are killer of Christians.

          What a great good tree, is it??? Don’t say other christians also sinners, after leaving roman catholic i did not joined any denominational protestant or pentecoastal churches.

          you quoted scripture for purgatory, let me ask you the questions.
          is it, the person who only insults his brother goes to purgatory(council), the person who only gets anger with his brother goes to Judgement, and, the person who only says fool goes to the lake of fire????? Why using scripture like this???. Your explanation has no meaning for purgatory.

          You quoted “After this age”, you assumed that it is purgatory. Let me speak only with scripture.
          Hebrews 9:27-28
          “inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.

          As per the scripture, will you not die once and see the judgement straightly???
          Did not Christ offered only once to purge all our sins??? He purged it by doing once, what you need more than Jesus blood to get purified after death????? Going to be purified in the graveyard through works??? Can man do good works in graveyard to please God??? Huh is it prayers without Holy Spirit in graveyard can help him to get purified??? Will Holy Spirit pray stays with him in graveyard??? Is it Christ’s blood is totally waste to purge all our sins while living in this world??? or Christ comes for the second time to die for sins to help those those who are in purgatory??? or More than Christ’s blood is there something to purify the sins in purgatory??? Is there another salvation through some works in purgatory????

          “After this age” does not mean purgatory(a place where they purify themselves), its the age which describes Judgement, life in New Jerusalem or a cursed life in the lake of fire.

          Hebrews 10:27-29
          “For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

          What sacrifice is there again to get purify???? Is it getting purified by faith in the blood of Christ is so hard to understand???

          Hebrews 10:38-39
          My righteous one shall live by faith; And if he shrinks back, My soul has no pleasure in him. But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.

          If anybody shrinks back they cannot be purified even in purgatory, because faithless people only goes to lake of fire.

          John 11:26
          “…everyone who lives(while lives in the world) and believes in Me will never die.”
          The Scripture says get purified by faith while living in this world itself.

          You cannot purify yourself in purgatory, Whoever while lives in this world and believes in Him, will be saved.

          2Corinthians 6:2
          ” Behold, now is “THE ACCEPTABLE TIME,” behold, now is “THE DAY OF SALVATION “.
          Don’t wait for purgatory, because its an hoax.

          Don’t say that we are still sinners nor say that we are perfected.
          Phillipians 3:12-13
          “Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead”..

          God bless

          1. EVERY Church can be called a BAD Tree, because EVERY Church is Full of Sinners! We are All Sinners. And when you bring up much of the history of the Catholic Church, remember, you Are going to see MORE Stuff. 2000 years of History compared to a little over 500 years of History. There IS going to be more stuff to bring up. Actually, MORE people were killed during the PROTESTANT Inquisitions than the Catholic. But, That, people don’t want to even talk about. Many point fingers at the Church. That way they can IGNORE the problems in their OWN Churches. Again, the Catholic Church has MORE History than the Non-Catholic Churches, so you are going to Find More stuff. And you need to know the WHOLE Story BEHIND things that you bring up. Did you ever hear about the Battle of TOURS? Most Anti-Catholics leave that war OUT of their stories. Conveniently. IF not for the Battle of Tours . if not for the Catholic Church Fighting Muslims in the Battle of TOURS, Europe would be TOTALLY MUSLIM TODAY! Many people Leave that OUT of their Lists. I wonder WHY? The Battle of Tours was a TURNING POINT. It Preserved Christianity for ALL of Europe! So, maybe you just might owe the Catholic Church a debt of gratitude. If not for them Fighting in the Battle of Tours, that just might make be the reason you have the FREEDOM to Worship in the Church of your choice! You really should get down on your knees and Thank God for Helping the Church in winning the Battle of Tours. But, NOOOOO, just keep thinking the Worst about the Church. Another example is the St. Bartholomew’s Massacre. Many like to blame the Catholic Church for that. They don’t know what was BEHIND it. Catholics were Horribly Persecuted during this time. They were Killed just for BEING Catholic. The Calvinists went from town to town, Destroying Catholic Churches. They would go into the Churches, chase out the Priests and nuns, destroy things in the Churches. Then they would turn the Churches into Calvinist Churches, FORCE the people to Become Calvinists or be Killed! Finally, they Had it! They had had enough! I’m not saying it was Right to kill, yet try to Understand WHY they did it. Everyone has a Breaking point. They were being Horribly Persecuted. They Didn’t Kill just because they loved to kill. A lot of people like to think that Catholics just Killed because they just Had to kill. How would YOU have reacted if YOU were being persecuted, if your Churches were being Destroyed, turned into Calvinist Churches, and you were told that you Had to Worship in ANOTHER Faith? YOU might just Do the Same thing? You need to know the stories BEHIND some of these events! It is not so simple. People like to try to make it simple, blame the Catholic Church for everything. It’s just easier for people so they don’t have to try to find the TRUE Stories behind these events.

          2. FSHS DISCIPLES (APA)

            Its sure that your human wisdom of making the wrong things right is not from God.

            Is it bad only in past, but not today???
            A 30-year-old woman in Kolkata said she was cured of a stomach tumor after praying to Mother Teresa. A Brazilian man with multiple brain tumors was healed after loved ones prayed to Mother Teresa to heal him. Because of this mother Teresa will be given the title saint. Its sure that this kind of Gospel is not from God. Even contemporary false prophets doing much more miracles than these and making themselves famous showing God is only with them. Feel pity for that 30-year-old woman in kolkata and the brazilian man for not knowing the Holy Spirit. Sad to see a pathetic doctrine which gives importance to human spirits than Holy Spirit. Huh Good church or blind church??? can this church guide the blinds when it is already blinded??? Did not she become saint when she recived the Holy Spirit while living?? who are saints?? Those who received the Holy Spirit are called saints. Catholic people received Confirmation only to become sinners??? what a sacred sacrament???

            Is it nice to say like this “oh muslims, catholics don’t fear for you even today, because we will defend at any cost even if your lives are killed, thus says Jesus our Lord???

            Oh Cursed Apostles why you all accepted persecutions and tribulations to grow Christianity??? Are they cursed, because they did not war to protect the Christians???

            In India, Hindutuva religious people persecuting christians, because they are the back bone of present government. Is it good to fight with flesh and blood??? what brings crown of glory = preserverance during persecution or doing war???

            Christianity grown because of accepting the cross or because of human war tactics???
            oh martyrs in Christ why you died carrying the cross in life, don’t you know to do war and save other Christians too???

            Isaiah 5:20-21
            Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight!…

            “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.
            Only endurance in persecution and tribulation bears much fruit, and this is how Christianity growned. If the endurance was carried instead of war, even those muslims would have received Holy Spirit repenting for their sins.

            2Timothy 2:12
            “If we suffer, we shall also reign with him”

            Revelation 12:11
            “they(saints) overcame him(satan) because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death.

    3. Thank you for defending Catholics. Catholics are definitely Christian. Many Catholics will be saved, so will many Non-Catholics. Many good Christians in both groups. Thanks again

  31. “The Hail Mary is not a prayer of worship, but it is a recitation of Scripture and then an asking of her to pray for us to God; much like asking our other Christian brothers and sisters to pray for us.”

    The fact remains that yes Mary was favoured and Yeshua was born by immaculate conception, however Mary is now dead, she does not have the qualities of G-d, specifically omnipresence, therefore she cannot hear the repetitious, recitations, she cannot hear the millions of roman catholics hailing her and speaking to her period.

    1. She is not dead, she never died. Jesusus assumed her body and soul into heaven. I do not know what Bible you are reading…
      And no she does not have omnipresance but why would she need it? And really learn about a religion before criticising it.

      1. Tell me, How do you know she is not dead, or never died? is there anything in the Bible that says that? NO there isn’t. you say “really learn about religion before criticizing?” Tell me, do you read the Bible or just believe what a Catholic priest says?

        If you are looking for direct scriptural proof of this dogma, you will not find any. Mary’s Assumption was not explicitly recorded in Scripture. However, Pope Pius XII formally defined the dogma of the Assumption in his apostolic constitution Munificentissimus Deus on November 1, 1950: “The Immaculate Mother of God, the “ever Virgin Mary”, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory”

        Also The Bodily Assumption of Mary is the Roman Catholic teaching that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was bodily assumed into Heaven. Because the doctrine of the Assumption of Mary is not found in the Bible, it must be derived from what Roman Catholicism calls Sacred Tradition–the oral tradition handed down. The first few hundred years of “tradition” make no mention whatsoever of the bodily assumption of Mary. In fact, we find contradictory evidence in Early Church Tradition.

        The Roman Catholic scholar Michael O’Carroll explains that Epiphanius (4th Century), a Church Father, gives the earliest mention of anything concerning the end of Mary’s Life when he says regarding Epiphanius’ mention of Mary in A.D. 377,

        “In a later passage, he [Epiphanius] says that she [Mary] may have died and been buried, or been killed–as a martyr. ‘Or she remained alive, since nothing is impossible with God and he can do whatever he desires; for her end no one knows.'” In light of this evidence, it is obvious that the Roman Catholic dogma of the Assumption of Mary has no early attestation.

        In fact, the first reasonable mention, according to the Roman Catholic Church, is found in St. John Damascene who lived in the 700’s. This is a blatantly obvious historical (not to mention biblical) vacuum concerning Mary’s Assumption. Obviously, such a dogma, such an all-important essential of the Christian church, would have been mentioned by at least some of the Church Fathers within the first few centuries. But, it wasn’t. Why? Because it wasn’t taught, and it is not a true doctrine of Christianity.

        If The Bodily Assumption of Mary is a dogma, why is it not found in any of the early church Father’s writings until St. John of Damascene in the 8th Century?
        If The Bodily Assumption of Mary is a dogma, why does the early church father Epiphanius say that regarding the end of her earthly life, that no one knows what happened to Mary?
        Romans 6:23 says the wages of sin is death, and 1 Cor. 15:56 says that “The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.” If Mary was sinless, why did she die? And if she did die as you say, then prove it, where in scripture do you find that she did not die, or was taken up to heaven?
        The Bible says nothing about Mary being ascended into heaven in a special way. She went to heaven as all do through faith in Christ as God’s Son who died for our sin, including Mary’s. Her conception was by the Holy Spirit, as explained in Matt. 1:20 and Luke 1:35, but other than this being a miracle work of the Holy Spirit, we are given no details.

        In Luke 1:28, she is called “favored one” (literally, “endowed or filled with grace”) but only in the sense that God, by grace chose her to be the human mother who would give birth to the Christ child. This same idea and word is used of all believers in Ephesians 1:6. To say any more than this is to add to what the text says and this is what Catholicism has done. Mary is mentioned in other places in New Testament, but never in a way that supports her exaltation.

        The Catholic doctrine of the “eternal virginity of Mary” is not supported by the Scripture. They claim these others were sons of Joseph by a former wife, but there is no biblical foundation for this nor for the perpetual virginity of Mary. The Bible only teaches us that Joseph kept her a virgin until after the birth of Jesus
        (see Matt. 1:18-25 below).

        1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ happened this way. While his mother Mary was engaged to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. 1:19 Because Joseph, her husband to be, was a righteous man, and because he did not want to disgrace her, he intended to put her away privately. 1:20 When he had contemplated about this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, because the child conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 1:21 She will give birth to a son and you will name him Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.” 1:22 This all happened so that what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet would be fulfilled: 1:23 “Look! The virgin will conceive and bear a son, and they will call him Emmanuel,” which means “God with us.” 1:24 When Joseph awoke from sleep he did what the angel of the Lord told him. He took his wife, 1:25 but did not have marital relations with her until she gave birth to a son, whom he called Jesus. (note the words in verse 25 which I have put in bold italics to point out that after Jesus was born that is when they had relations together, (she did not stay a virgin) (also quote from Isa. 7:14). And she did have other children.

        Mary had four other sons, Joseph, James, Jude, and Simon. Because of the virgin birth, Joseph was not the father of Jesus so these were the half brothers of Jesus. The last three mentioned are not to be confused with those who were disciples of Jesus by the same name. Here are some passages where the other sons of Mary by Joseph are mentioned (Matt. 12:46; 13:55; Mark 6:3; John 2:12; 7:3, 5, 10; Acts 1:14; 1 Cor. 9:5; Gal. 1:19).

        Further more, Jesus tells his disciples when they asked him how they should pray,

        Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

        Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

        Matthew 6:9-13KJV 9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

        he also says
        John 14:13-14 (KJV) 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

        John 15:16 – Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

        Colossians 3:17 – And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, [do] all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

        Jeremiah 33:3 – Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.

        There is nothing that says anywhere to pray to Mary, Nothing

        “He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honored me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.” -mark 7:6-9

        If you are following the doctrines of men, then you are worshipping God in vain. John 4:24 declares that the ONLY way to worship God is in spirit and truth. This means that a person MUST first become a born-again believer before they can fellowship with God. How can a man’s dead spirit communicate with the Holy Spirit of God? It is impossible according to 1st Corinthians 2:14-17. Also, you MUST worship God in TRUTH, not heresy and false religion. The world is FILLED with an unbelievable amount of lies, false religion, and doctrines of devils. Only through the Holy Spirit of God can we “rightly divide the Word of Truth,” navigating through the minefields of heresy.

        The devil is a master counterfeiter, do you really think he wastes his time hanging out at the Church of Satan? Of course not, it’s already obvious to everyone that members of the Church of Satan are clearly the children of the devil. Do you know where Satan roams? The devil lurks within our churches,

        The Pope NEVER spoke of being “born-again.” The Pope NEVER made any public profession of faith ALONE in Jesus Christ. On the contrary, Pope John Paul II placed his faith in the traditions and manmade doctrines of the Catholic religion.

        There is NOTHING in the King James Bible (or the Catholic Bible) about keeping the Seven Sacraments to get to heaven…nothing! There is NOTHING in the Bible about the Rosary or praying to God through Mary. Ask just about any Roman Catholic apologist if Catholics pray to saints or the pictures, medals, statues, etc., that bear their likeness and the answer you are most likely to receive will be a resounding, “No!” Forget the fact that Catholic Mary is a saint, Queen of Heaven and Earth, Co-Redeemer, Mediatrix, Advocate and Dispenser of God’s Grace, she is still a saint. Forget all the countless books, booklets, leaflets and cards that bear words to use when invoking the aid/intervention of some one of the thousands of demigods who make up the pantheon of Catholic saints. Forget the millions of offertory candles burning before the images of Mary, Michael, Anthony of Porras, Judas Thaddeus, and the like. Forget all the sightings of men, women and children kneeling before such an image with heads bowed, hands clasped in prayerful attitude, as they fervently mouth heartfelt pleadings or tender sincere thanks to the spirit of the person the image represents. Catholics do not pray to saints? Really? Are you that deceived? I was raised Catholic, I had to go through all the Catholic traditions but by the power and grace of my savior Christ Jesus I know the truth now.

        There’s NOTHING in the Bible about digesting Jesus’ flesh and blood. Roman Catholics literally believe that they’re eating Jesus. The breaking of the bread and drinking of the wine Jesus told his disciples to do in remembrance of him, because the breaking of the bread was to remind them of his flesh being ripped apart, the drinking of the wine was the spilling of his blood, for our sins! Not literally eating his flesh or drinking his blood, but as a reminder of what he done for us. Mary didn’t die a horrible death for us, her son did. There is nothing in the Bible about priests being celibate. There is NOTHING in the Bible about purgatory.

        Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. This outright forbids calling any priest “Father.” So why do Catholics do it?…because they are being taught the commandments of men…There is NOT one single verse in the entire Bible where Jesus told anyone to recognize Mary in any special way. Catholics use the reasoning that Mary was with Jesus all the time, which simply is NOT true

        Matthew 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.
        By Catholic Tradition, the Basilica is the burial site of its namesake St. Peter, one of the Apostles of Jesus Christ and, also according to Tradition, the first Pope and Bishop of Rome. Tradition and strong historical evidence hold that St. Peter’s tomb is directly below the high altar of the Basilica. For this reason, many Popes have been interred at St. Peter’s since the Early Christian period.

        I could go on and on…but most likely no matter what I tell you, you will most likely argue about it. So I am leaving you with this. Do your research because With the guidance of my Lord and Savior I know my Bible. So before you criticize someone about learning religion, maybe you should open your Bible and not just believe what you hear in “church” that is, if you even go to church, let alone open a Bible and learn for yourself.

        1. Lord have mercy.

          Dear heart ~

          You are in error about the Scripture.

          I am sorry to tell you this.

          Also, your ideas about Mary are not well thought out. Please consider that though you do not believe in the assumption of Mary – (ok, you are not Catholic, so I can see why this would be a hard thing) – but please consider the topic from another angle.

          (I do wish my fellow Catholics would not start with the most challenging doctrines when explaining the faith to Protestants, but start with the more basic ones. Formula before solid food.)

          ALL persons who have died in the Lord is in the presence of Christ, no?

          All persons who die in the grace of the Lord are ALIVE, not dead, in His presence.

          In fact these saints are MORE alive in heaven than we are here, because we are still on earth wrestling against sin, the world, and the devil, meanwhile, the saints are in heaven with Jesus!

          They are ALIVE! with Him! Praise God!

          Mary is therefore ALIVE, along with all the other saints in heaven! When a Catholic Christian is mentioning a saint in prayer, he is therefore merely asking for intercessory prayer before GOD. NOT praying to that saint.

          (I do wish Catholics would also understand how much confusion that one little preposition ‘to’ causes others.)

          If I ask my Protestant friend to pray TO God for me, no one in their right mind would say that I am praying to my Protestant friend. Merely asking for their intercessory prayer before God. We do this all the time with Christian friends here on earth. The marvelous thing for Catholics is that they realize that they have friends up in heaven too and can also ask THEM for intercessory prayer before the throne of GOD. This is simply intercessory prayer.

          Please so not be so confused.

          As for the Assumption of Mary, there is similarly much you are not understanding. First of all you are not clear on how doctrine gets defined. Defining a doctrine or a dogma does not mean that that thing was not previously true, only that the Church had not yet come to the point in history where it became necessary to clearly define it.

          The doctrine of the Trinity was this way The Trinity is and was and will be. The Trinity is true for all eternity. But the Church had two wade through what the heretics were saying and sift out what our mortal understanding could to definitively and dogmatically describe this truth. Just because it took the Church awhile to define exactly what something is or is not does not mean that it wasn’t true previously, just not dogmatically defined.

          Look, Elijah was assumed into heaven in the Old Testament.

          Is it really so much of a stretch, if one already accepts and believes the Old Testament account about Elijah, to believe that Mary could also have been assumed? If you believe what Scripture says about Elijah, why not Mary?

          Lastly, shoddy use of Scripture.

          One would think, as a Protestant, that you would have a better grasp of the Scriptures. For a group that boasts ‘sola Scriptura’, there is a long way to go and a lot lacking here.

          Let me help you:

          – you claim that there is no Scripture supporting eating Christ’s flesh and drinking His blood.

          John 6 however, says, (and this is Jesus Himself speaking): “unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you?”

          – you claim there is no Scripture substantiating priestly celibacy (although this is not a dogma anyway, just a practice).

          Yet Saint Paul in 1 Corinthians 7 says: “I wish all men were as I am” regarding marrying or not marrying.

          – you claim there is no Scripture supporting purgatory.

          Yet in 1 Corinthians 3 Saint Paul teaches that “each man’s work will become plain: because it will be revealed with fire and the fire will test what sort of work each has done”.

          – also there is Scriptural support for purgatory in the second chapter of Maccabees; (whoops! Martin Luther removed Maccabees from your Bible, you don’t have access to that one. While we’re here, consider that the Bibles 77 books were accepted as Biblical for 1500 years before Luther without problem. Then one man (Luther) set into motion a ripping apart of the Holy Scriptures to suit his fancies. Even though Scripture itself says not to tamper with it.)

          But II Maccabees also supports purgatory.

          – you claim there is not one single verse in the Scripture to support treating Mary in a special way.

          Yet Exodus 20 tells us to ‘honor our father and mother’? We know without question Jesus honored His Father (I came to do my Father’s will.) As an observant Jew and the embodiment and fulfillment of the law, wouldn’t Christ also have followed the commandment to honor HIs mother too?

          And Luke 1 says: ‘From henceforth ALL generations will call me blessed” which is reference to the fact that Mary will be greatly esteemed for her role as Our Lord’s mother throughout history.

          While I appreciate your zeal, Tamatha, you knowledge is deeply misguided and knowledge of Scripture is inadequate. PLEASE RESEARCH THE SCRIPTURES YOU CLAIM TO LOVE MORE. They will point you to the true Church that you have left and are being woefully misguided about.

          There is quite a bit missing from your interpretation and you have been fed a lot of misinformation from Protestants who likely do not know better.

          God bless.

          1. Read as per the context, dont blindly read the scriptures without looking into it.

            1 Corinthians 7:7-9New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
            I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has a particular gift from God, one having one kind and another a different kind.

            To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain unmarried as I am.

            But if they are not practicing self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion.

            Finally He is suggesting if you cannot have self control, they must marry. If catholic had followed most of priests involving in sexual abuse cases will be reduced.

            Because catholic restricts preists to be married. For this paul had prophesied already about you cult.

            1 Timothy 4:1-3New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

            False Asceticism:
            Now the Spirit expressly says that in later[a] times some will renounce the faith by paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared with a hot iron. They forbid marriage and demand abstinence from foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

            [a] 1 Timothy 4:1 Or the last

            your explanation for purgatory refering 1Corinthians 3 does not have any relation with your theories.

            John 11:26New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
            Everyone who lives (while living in this world) and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

            believe Jesus while living in this world and be saved from eternal death, dont take chance according to the imagination leading to purgatory, where you cannot come back.

            you wrongly quotes second chapter of Maccabees, its not second chapter, its 12th chapter of second Maccabees, verses 43-45.
            so, for the dead’s attonment of sin are you going to carryout rituals of Maccabees.
            which the Hebrew epistle completely rejects any attonments of old testament.

            Hebrews 1:3New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
            He is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact imprint of God’s very being, and he sustains[a] all things by his powerful word. When he had made purification(purged) for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.


            Hebrews 1:3 Or bears along

            He has already purged for sins, there is no need for another purgatory as per your imagination.

          2. You mention that if Catholics would only Think about the word “TO”, like that they pray To Saints. In my experience it is the Protestants who use the word TO. Like saying that Catholics Pray TO saints. I have actually heard More Protestants say the word TO. And it is Protestants who keep insisting that Catholics pray TO STATUES. TO a Statue? Catholics correct them left and right, and many of them keep saying it. Just my opinion that the Protestants who use the word TO more than Catholics.

        2. Poor misled child, this is why we Catholics use the WHOLE Bible, and NOT just a few cherry picked Scriptures.

          1. giving your reply without giving the reference of the scripture. you don’t have even those cherry picked scriptures of christian bible?????

        3. Actually, there ARE verses that tell of Purgatory! Now, you won’t see the word Purgatory, but there are verses that tell us of a Purification of souls After death. These verses, telling us of a Purification of souls are even in the KJV Bible.

      2. I looked it up recently. The Catholic Church actually NEVER said that Mary NEVER died. I always thought that, too. The Church actually has Never come out and said that.

        1. Why suddenly changed??? what is the next change??? If there is a good change it should be really welcomed. I suggest you to teach this to other fellow people and so you will be excommunicated from the corrupted community.

          Anyway you said Mary died, Every flesh has to die. John the baptist whom Jesus praised more than Mary died as a martyr.

          1. Was this message to me? I NEVER said that Mary Died. I said that the Church Never said Either way. Personally, I don’t believe she did, but that Means nothing, what I think or feel.

    2. Mary is dead?

      What do you think happens when/if we die in the Lord?

      Do we cease to exist?

      How come Abraham (from OT) made an appearance in the NT if the dead are not raised?

      How come Moses and Elijah showed up in the NT?

      Saints who die in the Lord are ALIVE eternally.

      This includes Mary.

    3. You claim that Yeshua was born by Immaculate Conception. Actually, the IMMACULATE CONCEPTION refers to MARY, Not Jesus. The Immaculate Conception refers to Mary being conceived Without Original Sin in HER Mother’s womb. Jesus birth is known as the Virgin birth. Even many Catholics don’t understand this. I.C refers to MARY being conceived, without Sin, in HER Mother’s womb.

  32. Another point: the Rosary was thought to be attributed to St.Dominic from the Dominican Order. It grew from there because laity wanted to pray like the monks in monasteries did. But, count how many times Mary’s name is mentioned versus how many times Jesus’ name is mentioned. Not good. Way too many Mary’s. This should not be so. Also, Jesus said to pray in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. If I were telling someone to mention my name I wouldn’t actually say my name it would be implied. Because the power lies in His name do you suppose He meant; pray in the name of the Father by any of God’s names that apply to the situation and His name, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who doesn’t actually have a name. Like maybe this; in the name of Adonai and Jesus and the Holy Spirit … I think Jesus meant to use their names as the situation requires. And since lot’s of people are named Jesus, saying Jesus Christ, leaves no doubt. Any religion, even demonic could be father son and a twisted firm of holy spirit. But getting out in left field here so I’ll stop. You get the drift. For reference, much of what I’ve said in my post comes from, “United States Catholic Catechism for Adults”. You would be surprised what is in this book. Also in the book and Amy dictionary, is the word catholic. It means universal church. Not a religion. In the Nicene creed or the Apostle’s Creed, the word catholic us never capitalized. Just a note. Jesus said there will be a day when we don’t worship here and there under a Marque but as one church body.

  33. I read all the post. I am a female ordained non-denominational minister. I’m also a Roman Catholic. Of course, I don’t get behind the Catholic Pulpit. I became a Catholic not believing in all aspects of the doctrine. The same as any churches doctrine. The core value is what is important here. I will point out that Pope Pius IX in 1854 came up with the veneration or accepted Dogma of Mary. That’s not really that long ago and based on his, the then Pope’s idea. Pope’s have been very wrong in the past. Which is why we the body of Christ, the church (which is everyone who has accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and believe He was born of a virgin, is the Sonos God, died, rose, sits at the right hand of God and will return). Jesus had to be born in the flesh, on earth to redeem us. We became separated from God in the Garden of Eden and lost our lease of earth, God had given us dominion over. Jesus had to live, die as a human and take back the keys from Satan and give us back that dominion in His/Jesus’ name and restore us to God. Jesus told Mary at the age of 12 when he stayed behind in Jerusalem, paraphrased,”why were you looking for me, didn’t you know I would be in my Father’s house”. Clearly separating himself from her/Joseph. When turning water into wine he called her “woman”. And at the cross,again “woman”. Again, separating himself. Keep in mind, Isaiah 7:14 “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel”. There was no special mention but being a virgin. Mary was honored and “highly favored”. The buck stops there. Jesus himself began early and throughout his ministry separating the natural/flesh relationship between he and Mary and his brothers and sister (s) as other reader have pointed out in scripture regarding them going to visit him and Jesus saying who are my mother and brothers but basically everyone. New Testament scripture also says we can come boldly to the Throne of Grace. Remember scripture where men told Jesus of all the good things they did in his name and he said be gone with you, I never knew you. In other words they never had a close personal up front relationship with Him. He wants us to come to Him and the Father God so we can get to know his nature. God took Enoch and Elijah up to himself (correct me if I’m wrong). He himself buried Moses. (Again, correct me if I’m wrong). This honor was not given to Mary. Folks, this is why we MUST come together as ONE in Christ. Jesus is coming back for His Bride. We are one Body in One Spirit. There are three separate people in the triad Being; God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Jesus is the word. God is the word. The Holy Spirit is the word. In Spirit they are One. But still separate. We Christians will be One with them and are to strive for that goal. So, arguing or debating about mother of God or mother of Jesus wrong. She WAS on earth, mother of God the Son Jesus. Meaning Jesus the separate Son being equal in Spirit to God but not God himself. In Heaven we are all children of God. When asked, Jesus said there is neither marriage or giving in marriage but we are all children. Meaning no mama’s or siblings. The best things I learned about Catholicism is the fullness of one body in Christ. So if we’re one body in Christ it doesn’t matter if we’re on earth or Heaven. All Heaven rejoices when someone accepts Christ. How did they in Heaven know? Because we are all one body. In Heaven, God opens our understanding. So maybe our brothers and sisters in Heaven can hear us. My Priest said what does it hurt to ask them to pray for us? Lol. But NEVER substitute praise and worship and repentance of sins directly to God in Jesus’ name with asking Anyone to pray for you. Including Mary. Folks, it doesn’t matter if we are dipped, dunked or sprinkled, we are one! The division and confusion comes from our mutual enemy. Satan. Let’s join forces against him and his forces. We have Jesus and 2/3rd of the angels on our side. Guess what? We win!

    1. To sister Ruth bebett:

      You said: “The best things I learned about Catholicism is the fullness of one body in Christ”.

      Ans: I think you are not the core reader of the bible. i can clearly say wether you are ordained or not that will not measure your Faith in Jesus. Before catholic teaches i assure you those who are in Christ knows that they are One body with Christ. Ref: John 17:11; Romans 12:5;1 Corinthians 6:15; 1 Corinthians 10:17; 1 Corinthians 12:20; 1 Corinthians 12:27; Ephesians 4:12; Ephesians 4:25. This is the reason beform catholic religion came into picture in this world 50lakh martyrs died for
      Jesus during the first three centuries(Historical evidence).

      Also you said: “Jesus the separate Son being equal in Spirit to God but not God himself”.
      Ans: I openly say to you, You dont know the Word of God at all.

      John 5:22-23
      “For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, “that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

      Please remeber this “Honour the Son Just as the Father)

      Colossians 1:19
      For it has pleased [the Father] that all the divine fullness(complete glory of the Father, the sum total of the divine perfection, powers, and attributes) should dwell in Him permanently).

      Colossians 2:9
      For in Him the whole fullness of Deity (the Godhead) continues to dwell in bodily form [giving complete expression of the divine nature].

      Revelation 21:23
      the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb. 

      Here this representaion cleraly says, Jesus is the lamp and Radiance(Glory of the Father comes from the lamp).

      Hebrews 1:3
      He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. 

      Here it says exact representation, this shows no one can never ever sees father. If they want to see father, they can see Father only in Jesus. So, Jesus will be called as Eternal Father(Isaiah 9:6).

      John 14:7 
       “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”

    2. People like to say that Jesus was SEPARATING Himself from His mother? Was he, really? Actually the word “woman” did Not mean that He was Separating Himself from her. He was NOT. I know that one of the verses people like to use, to “Prove” that Jesus was separating Himself from Mary are the verses where a woman in the crowd raised her voice and says to Jesus: LUKE 11:27-28 ” Blessed is the womb that bore you and the breasts that nursed you.” Jesus said: ” BLESSED rather are those who Hear the Word of God and Keep it.” Now, this may seem that Jesus was running his mother down, demeaning her, Separating Himself from her…..But, Was He? BLESSED are those …HEAR the Word of God and KEEP It..?” Jesus was actually BLESSING her, and I’m sure that she would have Known it. WHO Heard the Word of God and KEPT it Better than Mary? No one. In saying “YES” to the Angel, in saying that she would carry and give birth to Jesus, she SURE did HEAR the WORD of God and KEPT it!! She sure did! And if Jesus was actually was running her down, disrespecting her by His words, that would make Him a Commandment Breaker! And that He was NOT. Jesus Loved and Honored her. Read those words again in LUKE 11:27-28. Jesus was BLESSING her. To think the opposite is unthinkable.


        No one better than Mary??? None could be better than Mary???
        Joseph, Mary’s Husband is not equal with her??
        John the baptist is not better as per the scripture???
        Apostles not better???

        Are you giving the reward to Mary now itself. which is supposed to be given after the Judgement??? Is your judgement correct???? How do you judge other saints as lesser than Mary??

        Your so much Faith on Mary is not the Gospel of the New Covenant.

        1Corinthians 2:2
        “For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ…”.

  34. And herein lies the fundamental problem when one belief system borrows concepts from other belief systems and grafts them on to make it more palatable to those it wishes to convert. The theme of women giving birth to gods, is much older than Christianity. If you believe that a virgin can give birth to a god in the flesh, then I don’t get your issue with praying to Mary to ask that god to help somebody. Personally, we need all the help we can get. As for the poster who linked praying to Mary to homosexuality and feminism and who knows what else, YOU especially need all our prayers. And, if you know anything about the history if the Catholic Church, you know that it p most definitely doesn’t nurture or support feminism. Women are blamed for getting Adam cast out from heaven, for pain in childbirth, and are regulated to being helpers in church activities. Ever seen a female, Catholic priest or bishop? Not happening. We all might just be arguing over the greatest myth ever told. What was the message? Love one another and treat others as you would wish to be treated. In other words, see people as yourself, with the same wants and needs as other human beings. If the world could get to that place, I think God, Jesus, and the holy spirit would be three happy beings. Bet Mary would smile too.

  35. Hail Mary full of Grace is what the Angel Gabriel said 2 Mary..The Lord is with thee( u r with Child),inother words.Taken directly from the New Testament the unadulterated Word of God,as is every line of the prayer.Clearly Mary has Jesus ear ,as they say as His first miracle turing water into wine was upon His Mothers request.Obviously like anyone would imagine Jesus is the perfect Son,devoted to His Mother Mary.Your attacks on His Mother like any son ,must be very disappointing 2 put it mildly.Be very careful ,you are picking a fight with the Lord Himself,because like any devoted Son He will defend his Mother. Its really quite amazing 2 me the willingness of people to unapologetically,openly & vilely attack Catholics as no other.U politically uncorrect hypocrite!!!.Catholics give the highest reverence of all to Jesus Christ.To insinuate otherwise because as Catholics by paying the Mother of the savior of the world the utmost respect and reverence is iinsulting Its just plain common sence and manners frankly to treat His Mother with respect.Without Her great faith,the birth of the Savior of the World would not have happened as it did.Cathoilcs most closely follow the world of God.Unmoved by the fashion of the day.because its their job to help us all know the truth of the Word of God to ultimately save our souls from eternal damnation.Sorry if hearing the Truth is uncomfortable,but it often is.Stop attacking what you obviously dont understand.

    1. To Paul Stringer: The truth is Jesus honored the request of millions of people who went to Him, it wasn’t just Mary. In the Bible Jesus said to go to Him. Now the Catholic church is saying that Jesus listens only to Mary and never US.

      1. Who said he won’t hear you? We just ask her for some extra help. People just assume we do one or the other. We Catholics are Christians who happen to honor Mary a little more.. She JUST gave us Jesus and all…..

        1. you need only ask Jesus himself, you do not need to ask Mary. The Bible and Jesus Christ Himself tells you that.

      2. “Jesus listens to only Mary and never US.” ???

        Yea…um…that is not what the Catholic Church teaches. Sorry, mate.

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