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  • #1104

    fr33k
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    Yo. Fellow sons of God. Peace be with you. I have a question. It’s looking as if God intends to make me rich in the very near future, so what I intend to do basically is buy an uninhabited island and primarily fly persecuted christians there. This island will be called Zion. This independent island will be governed by it’s own laws based around the Bible’s teachings. There will be no money on the island, 1 central church, a hospital, administratin h.q, a school and many thousands, hopefully millions of living quarters. Everyone will be assigned to a rotation of various jobs with the objective of working together in order to sustain ourselves. i,e farmers, doctors, administration, teachers. At this point, i’m thinking several high priests for consultation but generally no hierachy what so ever. Everyone must work. I and whatever other investors I will get will provide all funding for the island. It will have it’s own renewable energy resources. And I am currently debating the most difficult area of authority/protection. I’m thinkin of makin it’s location near a developed mainland in order that we can be watched over in case of attack but seeing as there is no money on the island i assume the only attack would be from christian persecutors, possibly in the form of a bomb. I’m wonderin if it is wrong to take away christians from preaching to the world or if it would spread our message further. It is the only peaceful alternative I can think of to rescue our persecuted brothers. Lemme know what you think. Peace

    #5233

    Victor
    Member

    It sounds like your trying to create your version of heaven in an island. I don’t think Christians were called to isolate themsleves. Just look at where the first Christians went to? The went to Rome. A sure place to go if you want to be persecuted. Do you think the early christians knew this? But of course they did. A good question to ask yourself is why would christians go into hostile territory to preach the Word of God?

    Let me know your thoughts.

    ~Victor

    #5234

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    Welcome fr33k. I agree with Victor. The Church (the people of God) has a mission to spread the Gospel. How effective will you be at clothing the naked and feeding the hungry if you are so distant from them?

    #5235

    fr33k
    Member

    Yo, I know how Zion might seem to be a version of heaven on earth, but this is not my intention. My intention is to provide a place whereby people, out of choice, can come to live their lives according to how the Bible teaches, without pressures and temptations from the outside world controlled by the devil. I know God made us with the ability to reflect the temptations of the world but it would be nice if there was a place you can retreat to where you know these temptations simply don’t exist. One could come there for a short while to reform themselves and then return to the world. I intend to send people out from Zion to preach and bring christians who want to come to Zion back with them. This vision sporns from my belief that the Devil’s control in this world is increasing. I believe the rapture is approaching and that the world is getting to the point where preaching is having less and less effect on people because they are not (a large majority CANNOT) accepting Christ (due to the increasing strength of the devil), and therefore need a retreat before we are suppressed and persucuted to the point whereby we cannot even preach anymore. A Christian STRONGHOLD if you will. I do not expect everychristian in the world to come and live here permenantly because I don’t want to take every Christian out of the world. Remember people will go there out of CHOICE. And my primary objective is to provide a haven for PERSECUTED christians otherwise facing exile, torture and death. The idea is in early stages of thought, but taking what you have said into consideration I will now make NOT ISOLATING the inhabitants a priority. 1st thoughts are, hopefully our way of life will become known around the planet demonstrating our seriousness about living for God, therefore catching on and infact spreading christianity further. I know you guys can help me with my ideas for this place even if it’s solely through criticism. Please tell me all your thoughts. Peace

    #5236

    Victor
    Member

    Oh ok…in that case I think it would be cool. Where can I buy tickets? <img src=” title=”Very Happy” />

    ~Victor

    #5237

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    I don’t think it will work. It’s only a matter of time before human nature corrupts the utopia.

    #5238

    fr33k
    Member

    wow you guys are quick man! safe for dat. Jon. that is a thought I have had. Hopefully our laws will prevent this from happening, remember only people actually wanting to reform themselves will be coming to the island, theres no T.V, no MOBILE phones, no computers, and most importantly no money. Can you tell me EXACTLY how you think corruption might take effect? Victor don’t worry about buying tickets I will fund everything including transport to the island. Be as critical as you can for I might have missed something important, Peace

    #5239

    Victor
    Member

    Well I do agree with Jon. The mere fact that you have humans may ruin it. Although I see this, I do think it’s worth a shot. Having several guidance would really help as well. Priest, monks, apologists, etc. If I think of anything else I’ll let you know.

    ~Victor

    #5243

    fr33k
    Member

    Cheers bro

    #5244

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    Laws only work insofar as people are willing to obey them. Some people are born with psychological conditions that make them whackos. It’s almost inevitable that bad things will happen.

    Someone might get greedy and “covet thy neighbor’s goods.”

    You’d have to develop some sort of justice system.

    #5249

    fr33k
    Member

    Yeah bro it’s gotta have a justice system. Maybe I didn’t make it clear that Zion’s law’s are to be based on the laws of God. Everyone that chooses to come to Zion will be aware of this. i get the impression that u think any and everyone will come but i assume only christians, and people wanting to learn about christianity and wanting to reform their lives will want to come to Zion. Thinking about this i guess an authoritative presence is neccecary. At first anyway. We would have to see if the inhabitants can cope with following the laws of the Bible (something all christians should be striving towards anyway) without an authority MAKING them do it, which would defeat the purpose of them CHOOSING to come to the island in order that they might better themselves. I’m not nieve to the fact that it is inevitable that badness will occur here, but i stress that everyone here is here for GOD, therefore they won’t want to commit badness, If they do God will will deal with them. But talking directly (in order to keep things in control), we can either institute police or exile, both of which I hope will not be neccecary. By the way there won’t be any goods to covet apart from a Bible. <img src=” title=”Smile” /> That makes me think… maybe everyone should wear the same clothes aswell. Peace

    #5258

    [quote:283gxfyb]without pressures and temptations from the outside world controlled by the devil. I know God made us with the ability to reflect the temptations of the world but it would be nice if there was a place you can retreat to where you know these temptations simply don’t exist.[/quote:283gxfyb]

    Temptations come from the devil and the devil can go everywhere, certainly to any island.

    Yours is an interesting idea but I don¬¥t think is an original <img src=” title=”Wink” /> . I think it was tested once before… By God and it was called Paradise. What happened? The devil got in and you know the rest of the story.

    Anyway fr33k Welcome to the site <img src=” title=”Smile” /> Nice to have you here

    Juan

    #5260

    Victor
    Member

    [quote:2oqwe9sn][quote:2oqwe9sn]without pressures and temptations from the outside world controlled by the devil. I know God made us with the ability to reflect the temptations of the world but it would be nice if there was a place you can retreat to where you know these temptations simply don’t exist.[/quote:2oqwe9sn]

    Temptations come from the devil and the devil can go everywhere, certainly to any island.

    Yours is an interesting idea but I don¬¥t think is an original <img src=” title=”Wink” /> . I think it was tested once before… By God and it was called Paradise. What happened? The devil got in and you know the rest of the story.

    Anyway fr33k Welcome to the site <img src=” title=”Smile” /> Nice to have you here

    Juan[/quote:2oqwe9sn]

    Well that’s true Juan, but keep in mind that Adam and Eve did not have supernatural law. That’s didn’t come until the NT. Does this prevent sin? Nope.. but it sure makes things clearer.

    ~Victor

    #5263

    fr33k
    Member

    Juan you missed the point of Zion, I’m not creating a paradise, I’m creating a place where like minded Christians can live together away from the corrupted influences of the world in order that they might better themselves. That along with creating a haven for persecuted christians are the priorities. Peace

    #5264

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    [quote:1fqwgqje]… but keep in mind that Adam and Eve did not have supernatural law. That’s didn’t come until the NT. Does this prevent sin? Nope.. but it sure makes things clearer.[/quote:1fqwgqje]
    What do you mean by this, Victor? What is this supernatural law?

    On a side note, I am moving this topic from Introductions to Everything Else considering this is not an introduction. <img src=” title=”Wink” />

    #5273

    [quote:17hohxwe]Juan you missed the point of Zion, I’m not creating a paradise,[/quote:17hohxwe]

    I just used paradise as an example to illustrate the point that the devil can get anywhere, even if an ideal environment is created.

    God´s Blessings

    Juan

    #5274

    [quote:3m5tx2n2][quote:3m5tx2n2][quote:3m5tx2n2]without pressures and temptations from the outside world controlled by the devil. I know God made us with the ability to reflect the temptations of the world but it would be nice if there was a place you can retreat to where you know these temptations simply don’t exist.[/quote:3m5tx2n2]

    Temptations come from the devil and the devil can go everywhere, certainly to any island.

    Yours is an interesting idea but I don¬¥t think is an original <img src=” title=”Wink” /> . I think it was tested once before… By God and it was called Paradise. What happened? The devil got in and you know the rest of the story.

    Anyway fr33k Welcome to the site <img src=” title=”Smile” /> Nice to have you here

    Juan[/quote:3m5tx2n2]

    Well that’s true Juan, but keep in mind that Adam and Eve did not have supernatural law. That’s didn’t come until the NT. Does this prevent sin? Nope.. but it sure makes things clearer.

    ~Victor[/quote:3m5tx2n2]

    I¬¥ve read in the other thread what you mean by supernatural law. If I understand you correctly that would reinforce my point, would it not? Maybe I¬¥m just missing your point <img src=:” title=”Question” />

    Juan

    #5278

    fr33k
    Member

    I was wrapped up in the moment there bro, I know the devil can get anywhere, I acknowledged that he controls the world innit. I should have said: ‘a place where people, due to their common intention of resisting temptation and following the word of God, can live together with minimal influence from the devil.’ That error of communication aside, any critisisms or positives to forward about Zion itself bro? Peace

    #5299

    [quote:1mu24v8b]That error of communication aside, any critisisms or positives to forward about Zion itself bro? Peace[/quote:1mu24v8b]

    Well although I think you are well intended, I just think the idea is too idealistic. I also think God has never intended for Christians to be isolated, even if it is to avoid persecution or danger.

    God´s Blessings

    #5776

    LEX
    Member

    I dont know if your talking about the book of revilation where christains will be pursecuted and killed, but thats probibly not the best idea becasue as you can see it wont matter they will kill you anyway, were talking about the worlds forces against christians!

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