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  • #1585

    weather
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    Because it’s the only religion founded by the Son of God Himself.
    It’s the only religion that is one, holy, catholic & apostolic.

    Matthew 16:18. In Matthew 16:18, we have the promise that “the gates of hell shall not prevail” against the Church that is to be built on the rock; and this also, we maintain, implies the assurance of the Church’s infallibility in the exercise of her teaching office. Such a promise, of course, must be understood with limitations according to the nature of the matter to which it is applied. As applied to sanctity, for example, which is essentially a personal and individual affair, it does not mean that every member of the Church or of her hierarchy is necessarily a saint, but merely that the Church, as whole, will be conspicuous among other things for the holiness of life of her members. As applied to doctrine, however — always assuming, as we do, that Christ delivered a body of doctrine the preservation of which in its literal truth was to be one of the chief duties of the Church — it would be a mockery to contend that such a promise is compatible with the supposition that the Church has possibly erred in perhaps the bulk of her dogmatic definitions, and that throughout the whole of her history she has been threatening men with eternal damnation in Christ’s name for refusing to believe doctrines that are probably false and were never taught by Christ Himself. Could this be the case, would it not be clear that the gates of hell can prevail and probably have prevailed most signally against the Church?

    from http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm

    #7845

    Bernardine
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    I totally agree with your post Weather. I find it interesting, and of no suprise, that every religion thinks they are the one’s that have the truth. If I was born in Japan, or China, I often wonder if I would be Christian or not.

    #7847

    weather
    Member

    [quote:1kug4v1y]I totally agree with your post Weather. I find it interesting, and of no suprise, that every religion thinks they are the one’s that have the truth. If I was born in Japan, or China, I often wonder if I would be Christian or not.[/quote:1kug4v1y]

    [color=blue:1kug4v1y]The thing I can’t get into other peoples heads is other “religion’s” were made by sinful men or women,the Catholic Church was created by God.[/color:1kug4v1y]

    #7849

    LARobert
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    That is why we have to take a dual assault, for their minds and for their hearts. The heart can be won over by praying that through the intersession of our Lady and the Saints they come to the realization of God’s truth. I’ve seen people more hardened against the Church than Ron crumple and come to the Faith through prayer and acts of compassion.

    #7851

    Ron K
    Member

    The question for this posting claims –

    [b:1vsgjgy7]Why is the Catholic Religion the truth?[/b:1vsgjgy7]

    Mr. Weathers says:
    [quote:1vsgjgy7]
    Because it’s the only religion founded by the Son of God Himself.
    It’s the only religion that is one, holy, catholic & apostolic. [/quote:1vsgjgy7]
    Have you noticed that they (the catholics) claim that they are but why, so do the Mormons and others (claim that their particular religion is the only way)? Circular reasoning isn’t a good answer. And Matthew 16:18 is a typical example of twisting Scriptures to make it appear Biblical. Matthew 16:18 Jesus just responded to Peter’s remark of “that He is the Christ” and He never said that Peter was the Rock or that it was Peter’s church. Scriptures show that He (Jesus) is the rock in other places as well.
    [quote:1vsgjgy7]
    Matthew 16:18. In Matthew 16:18, we have the promise that “the gates of hell shall not prevail” against the Church that is to be built on the rock; [/quote:1vsgjgy7]
    That Rock is always Jesus – even Peter acknowledges that

    [quote:1vsgjgy7]and this also, we maintain, implies the assurance of the Church’s infallibility in the exercise of her teaching office.[/quote:1vsgjgy7]
    Another example of how presumptions mislead – Jesus said that the gates of Hell would not prevsil against it – He never said that individuals were to be infallible (Or groups of individuals) and we are told that we should beware of deceptions.

    Everything else that He said was likewise resting upon their “presumptions.”

    including his later post of:
    [quote:1vsgjgy7]
    The thing I can’t get into other peoples heads is other “religion’s” were made by sinful men or women,the Catholic Church was created by God.[/quote:1vsgjgy7]
    And this is not surprising as whenever they see the words church, they automatically think it says “Catholic” in front of the word church. Again who is saying that Roman Catholics was started by God but other Catholics? Answer -the catholics themselves – considering their fruits they are only deceiving themselves

    LARoberts adds – [quote:1vsgjgy7]That is why we have to take a dual assault, for their minds and for their hearts. The heart can be won over by praying that through the intersession of our Lady and the Saints they come to the realization of God’s truth. I’ve seen people more hardened against the Church than Ron crumple and come to the Faith through prayer and acts of compassion[/quote:1vsgjgy7]
    another unbiblical remark – “through the intercession of Mary and Saints”
    yet this is another tradition that they believe, however Scriptures in no way backs that up – Acts 4:12 and 1 Timothy 2:5

    [u:1vsgjgy7][b:1vsgjgy7]When are you going to learn the truth guys???? [/b:1vsgjgy7][/u:1vsgjgy7]

    #7859

    Bernardine
    Member

    [quote:36067cei][quote:36067cei]I totally agree with your post Weather. I find it interesting, and of no suprise, that every religion thinks they are the one’s that have the truth. If I was born in Japan, or China, I often wonder if I would be Christian or not.[/quote:36067cei]

    [color=blue:36067cei]The thing I can’t get into other peoples heads is other “religion’s” were made by sinful men or women,the Catholic Church was created by God.[/color:36067cei][/quote:36067cei]

    That would make too much sense though wouldn’t it.

    #7860

    Ron K
    Member

    Mr weather wrote:
    [quote:2oxtwq47]The thing I can’t get into other peoples heads is other “religion’s” were made by sinful men or women,the Catholic Church was created by God. [/quote:2oxtwq47]

    and Bernardine agreed saying:[quote:2oxtwq47]
    That would make too much sense though wouldn’t it.[/quote:2oxtwq47]

    My question is where or how do you come up with that?

    Matthew 16:18 doesn’t say anything like that! Jesus tells Peter that upon his statement, that He is the Messiah, that He (Jesus not Peter) would build
    His (Again not Peter but Jesus) church. So where or how did you get to that answer?

    #7874

    LARobert
    Participant

    Ron, aside from your lack of nettiquite, the fact that your questions have been answered multiple times, with charity and honesty, and at times with directness but you have refused to accept the answers does not mean that they have not been answered, nor that anyone has the obligation to reply to the same twisting of facts that you are so proficient at. I can’t speak for others, but I myself am ready to follow our Lord, and when I see an IRONic IED lobbed into the About Catholics forum, I’m ready to shake the dust off my feet, and leave the Protestant dud of a bomb lay where it may. Who knows God may send some rain, and we can use it as fertilizer.

    I’d reply to your postings that have been replied to in the past, however truth, honsety, logic, historical fact, and Scriptural interpretation based on the language that the text was written in seem to make no difference to you and the position that you are invested in.

    #7876

    weather
    Member

    AMEN!! Ron has a answer for everything,he should have been a politician.
    :lol:

    #7877

    weather
    Member

    [quote:3ayruhx9]The question for this posting claims –

    [b:3ayruhx9]Why is the Catholic Religion the truth?[/b:3ayruhx9]

    Mr. Weathers says:
    [quote:3ayruhx9]
    Because it’s the only religion founded by the Son of God Himself.
    It’s the only religion that is one, holy, catholic & apostolic. [/quote:3ayruhx9]
    Have you noticed that they (the catholics) claim that they are but why, so do the Mormons and others (claim that their particular religion is the only way)? Circular reasoning isn’t a good answer. And Matthew 16:18 is a typical example of twisting Scriptures to make it appear Biblical. Matthew 16:18 Jesus just responded to Peter’s remark of “that He is the Christ” and He never said that Peter was the Rock or that it was Peter’s church. Scriptures show that He (Jesus) is the rock in other places as well.
    [quote:3ayruhx9]
    Matthew 16:18. In Matthew 16:18, we have the promise that “the gates of hell shall not prevail” against the Church that is to be built on the rock; [/quote:3ayruhx9]
    That Rock is always Jesus – even Peter acknowledges that

    [quote:3ayruhx9]and this also, we maintain, implies the assurance of the Church’s infallibility in the exercise of her teaching office.[/quote:3ayruhx9]
    Another example of how presumptions mislead – Jesus said that the gates of Hell would not prevsil against it – He never said that individuals were to be infallible (Or groups of individuals) and we are told that we should beware of deceptions.

    Everything else that He said was likewise resting upon their “presumptions.”

    including his later post of:
    [quote:3ayruhx9]
    The thing I can’t get into other peoples heads is other “religion’s” were made by sinful men or women,the Catholic Church was created by God.[/quote:3ayruhx9]
    And this is not surprising as whenever they see the words church, they automatically think it says “Catholic” in front of the word church. Again who is saying that Roman Catholics was started by God but other Catholics? Answer -the catholics themselves – considering their fruits they are only deceiving themselves

    LARoberts adds – [quote:3ayruhx9]That is why we have to take a dual assault, for their minds and for their hearts. The heart can be won over by praying that through the intersession of our Lady and the Saints they come to the realization of God’s truth. I’ve seen people more hardened against the Church than Ron crumple and come to the Faith through prayer and acts of compassion[/quote:3ayruhx9]
    another unbiblical remark – “through the intercession of Mary and Saints”
    yet this is another tradition that they believe, however Scriptures in no way backs that up – Acts 4:12 and 1 Timothy 2:5

    [u:3ayruhx9][b:3ayruhx9]When are you going to learn the truth guys???? [/b:3ayruhx9][/u:3ayruhx9][/quote:3ayruhx9]

    [color=blue:3ayruhx9]Matthew 16:18. In Matthew 16:18, we have the promise that “the gates of hell shall not prevail” against the Church that is to be built on the rock;[/color:3ayruhx9]

    Exactly,he said “the Church” which church do you think he means??Not churchs that were made by [color=red:3ayruhx9]SINFUL [/color:3ayruhx9]men but the Catholic Church which was made by Jesus,it appears Ron that you don’t get it.

    #7881

    Ron K
    Member

    Ephesians 5 Christ gives us a lesson on marriage being like His church
    I bolded and underlined about the church

    [color=red:g45mp3aw] 22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also [u:g45mp3aw][b:g45mp3aw]Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ,[/b:g45mp3aw][/u:g45mp3aw] so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as [u:g45mp3aw][b:g45mp3aw]Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word,[/b:g45mp3aw][/u:g45mp3aw] [u:g45mp3aw][b:g45mp3aw]27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.[/b:g45mp3aw][/u:g45mp3aw] 28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, [u:g45mp3aw][b:g45mp3aw]just as the Lord does the church. 30 For we are members of His body,[d] of His flesh and of His bones[/b:g45mp3aw][/u:g45mp3aw]. 31 “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”[e] 32 [b:g45mp3aw][u:g45mp3aw]This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church[/u:g45mp3aw][/b:g45mp3aw][/color:g45mp3aw][u:g45mp3aw]

    Who is His Church?
    Paul tells us that believers are in 1 Corinthians 3:9 – [color=red:g45mp3aw]For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building
    [/color:g45mp3aw]

    notice nothing was said about your denomination?

    Mr LARoberts say:
    [quote:g45mp3aw]truth, honsety, logic, historical fact, and Scriptural interpretation based on the language that the text was written in seem to make no difference to you and the position that you are invested [/quote:g45mp3aw]

    their appears to be a difference from the Biblical truth and what you’ve claimed to be the truth. Why is that Mr. Roberts?[/u:g45mp3aw]

    #7890

    weather
    Member

    Matthew 16:18. In Matthew 16:18, we have the promise that “the gates of hell shall not prevail” against the Church that is to be built on the rock;

    [color=blue:2q101167]Ron,when Jesus said this what Church was he talking about?I noticed in above reading he says “the Church” “C” in capital letter,In other words there is only ONE Church. [/color:2q101167]

    #7892

    LARobert
    Participant

    [quote:2w3h1xun]their appears to be a difference from the Biblical truth and what you’ve claimed to be the truth. Why is that Mr. Roberts?[/quote:2w3h1xun]

    No contradiction between what the Bible says and what the Catholic Church Teaches. As what the Catholic Church Teaches is what the Apostles recieved from their master, Christ Jesus. It is the Faith they taught before the first words of the New Testament was written, it is the faith that the Bible taught before Protestants tossed out books that Christians had believed to be authentically Scripture 1500 years after the Church was founded. The contradiction and changes where those that came about in the 1500s when those who abridged the teachings of Christ based on no “Biblical” foundation expunged the history of the Church in order to establish their own personal interpretations and re-write the Bible to say what they wanted it to say. Those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it seems to be apt when it comes to your arguments, (or rather the arguments you have appropriated from other anti-catholics.)

    I’ve read “your” objections, as well as having read from cover to cover many of the anti-catholic books and tracts that you derive the arguments from. I have not found any of them compelling when compaired to the Sciptures, nor have I found the arguments you copy from others to have any resemblance to what the Early Church taught from the time of the Apostles or their successors. It just does not follow that Christ would allow His Church to believe one set of dogmatic truths for 1500 years and then abandon His Church to the inventions of the Sola Scriptura crowd, who can’t agree among each other anyhow.

    But I’m continuing to pray that your spiritual myopia is corrected soon. Or that you will at least let God judge the souls of others rather than being the self appointed judge of everyone else. (Is that a speck you see in our eyes?)

    #7895

    Ron K
    Member

    LARoberts says:

    [quote:1hlikxl4]No contradiction between what the Bible says and what the Catholic Church Teaches.[/quote:1hlikxl4]

    Make me laugh? Look at my website, for I’ve listed many of them

    http://WWW.Freewebs.com/gospellightmin/

    Mr Weaters says:

    Ron,when Jesus said this what Church was he talking about?I noticed in above reading he says “the Church” “C” in capital letter,In other words there is only ONE Church

    There is only one Church – His Church is made up of all who believe in Him
    (John 3:16-18 and John 3:36)

    It isn’t a denomination such as your’s claims to be, but whomever believes

    In what? In what He did at Calvary to remove our sins with HIS shed blood
    which your church denys in sooooo many ways!

    #7898

    weather
    Member

    [quote:g8d3gyyi]LARoberts says:

    [quote:g8d3gyyi]No contradiction between what the Bible says and what the Catholic Church Teaches.[/quote:g8d3gyyi]

    Make me laugh? Look at my website, for I’ve listed many of them

    http://WWW.Freewebs.com/gospellightmin/

    Mr Weaters says:

    Ron,when Jesus said this what Church was he talking about?I noticed in above reading he says “the Church” “C” in capital letter,In other words there is only ONE Church

    There is only one Church – His Church is made up of all who believe in Him
    (John 3:16-18 and John 3:36)

    It isn’t a denomination such as your’s claims to be, but whomever believes

    In what? In what He did at Calvary to remove our sins with HIS shed blood
    which your church denys in sooooo many ways![/quote:g8d3gyyi]

    [color=red:g8d3gyyi]It isn’t a denomination such as your’s claims to be, but whomever believes[/color:g8d3gyyi]

    So Ron what your saying One needs not have to go to Church(your quote “it isn’t a denomination”,we just have to believe,is the what your think?

    #7899

    Ron K
    Member

    Mr. Weathers, please do not put words into my mouth such as

    [quote:1hhjcuys]”it isn’t a denomination”,we just have to believe,is the what your think?[/quote:1hhjcuys]

    For what I said was in the context of Which church is His, and I said that He never created the Catholic Church, or any particular Church denomination, Just as John 3:16 says or John 3:36. neither of these verses saying that we shouldn’t go to church. The Bible tells us we should go to church, such as in Acts 2:42. But going to church isn’t what saves you either, you’ll just grow in that way if the Church you are going to is following God’s written word.

    #7902

    weather
    Member

    A man enjoys religious liberty when he possesses the free right of worshipping God according to the dictates of a right conscience, and of practicing a form of religion most in accordance with his duties to God. Every act infringing on his freedom of conscience is justly styled religious intolerance. This religious liberty is the true right of every man because it corresponds with a most certain duty which God has put upon him.

    A man enjoys civil liberty when he is exempt from the arbitrary will of others, and when he is governed by equitable laws established for the general welfare of society. So long as, in common with his fellow citizens, he observes the laws of the state, any exceptional restraint imposed upon him, in the exercise of his rights as a citizen, would be an infringement on his civil liberty.

    I here assert the proposition, which I hope to confirm by historical evidence, that the Catholic Church has always been the zealous promoter of religious and civil liberty; and that whenever any encroachments on these sacred privileges of man were perpetrated by professing members of the Catholic faith, these wrongs, far from being sanctioned by the Church, were committed in palpable violation of her authority.

    Her doctrine is, that as man by his own free will fell from grace, so of his own free will must he return to grace. Conversion and coercion are two terms that can never be reconciled. It has ever been a cardinal maxim, inculcated by sovereign Pontiffs and other Prelates, that no violence or undue influence should be exercised by Christian princes or missionaries in their efforts to convert souls to the faith of Jesus Christ.
    http://www.tanbooks.com/doct/tradition_faith.htm

    #7903

    Bernardine
    Member

    [color=darkblue:1xqeyu0c]That link was a great reference Weather, thanks man.[/color:1xqeyu0c]

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