Why hasn’t Kerry been excommunicated?

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  • #931

    asimonelli
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    I don’t understand the Archdiocese of Boston’s deciding to not excommunicate Kerry for his promotion of abortions. Maybe this was answered somewhere in the forum so I apologize if this is a repeat.

    I know that you must either have or perform an abortion to be excommunicated automatically (don’t know the Latin term), but isn’t promoting it a grave sin or at least causing others to sin?

    This may not be a correct or the best analogy but:

    [i:1bb7h9mo]Even though a pimp isn’t directly involved with the sin of prostitution, he still is promoting it, causing others to commit it and using it for gain.[/i:1bb7h9mo]

    Don’t tell me that the Church would give a known pimp the Eucharist! :x

    #3545

    Benedict
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    Here is apologist Jimmy Akin’s commentary on the Balestrieri case.

    #3546

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    [quote:1mhyzh8e]Here is apologist Jimmy Akin’s commentary on the Balestrieri case.[/quote:1mhyzh8e]
    Where?

    #3549

    Fred
    Member

    Peace be with you asimonelli,

    [quote:27nief7x]I don’t understand the Archdiocese of Boston’s deciding to not excommunicate Kerry for his promotion of abortions. Maybe this was answered somewhere in the forum so I apologize if this is a repeat.[/quote:27nief7x]

    Here is what the Catechism says about excommunication:

    [i:27nief7x][b:27nief7x]1463 Certain particularly grave sins incur excommunication, the most severe ecclesiastical penalty, which impedes the reception of the sacraments and the exercise of certain ecclesiastical acts, and for which absolution consequently cannot be granted, according to canon law, except by the Pope, the bishop of the place or priests authorized by them. In danger of death any priest, even if deprived of faculties for hearing confessions, can absolve from every sin and excommunication.69[/b:27nief7x][/i:27nief7x]

    Senator Kerry’s support of abortion, gay marriage, and embryonic stem cell research does not “impede the reception of the sacraments…” because absolution can be granted for this.

    Hence this isn’t a “particularly grave sin”. Best I can come up with as a possible answer to your question.

    Fred,

    #3552

    Benedict
    Member

    Now I could have sworn I put a link in that post.

    http://www.jimmyakin.org/2004/10/more_on_the_bal.html

    That is the latest entry. It has links to previous posts on the same subject.

    #3555

    Fred
    Member

    Peace be with you Benedict,

    My Lord! Have we fallen this far into the hole that we not only can do this but now choose to do this legally?!

    Mr. Balestrieri appears to have “ticked-off” the Vatican. I have not been able to find the full sorry Jimmy Akin quotes from. Do you have a link to it Benedict?

    Fred,

    #3556

    Benedict
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    #3557

    asimonelli
    Member

    I wanted to apologize for starting this subject. I think it was very divisive of me and very judgmental. Politics bring out the worst in people and after Kerry’s concession speech I have a greater respect and almost admiration for him.

    I just know that when growing up, I got very bad impressions of who Catholics are and how hypocritical they can be. I knew people who grew up in Catholic schools with a seemingly Catholic up bringing, and in high school, they were some of the most immoral people I knew. Now as a person who is in the process of being converted, I am greatly stressed by the image our Church has to other Christians and to the rest of the world. Some of the most liberal people I know are priests and church leaders. I know that liberal and immoral are not the same thing, but a vast majority of those characterized as “liberals” do stand for things that the Catholic Church has officially stated as immoral.

    How is it that people can live this dual life and how does one continue to work with those who hold views that are clearly contradictory to the Catholic Church’s teachings and not be divisive?

    (I’m just afraid of the same thing that happened in the Episcopal Church is going to happen to the Catholic Church; both look good on paper)

    #3562

    Fred
    Member

    Peace be with you,

    My experience has been that this is true in [b:22jzxx7j][i:22jzxx7j][u:22jzxx7j]All[/u:22jzxx7j][/i:22jzxx7j][/b:22jzxx7j] Christian beliefs. It is the nature of humans. Our flaw and our sin that we must constantly try to over come!

    Fred,

    #5499

    I know that conservative and immoral are not the same thing, but a vast majority of those characterized as “conservative” do stand for things that the Catholic Church has officially stated as immoral.

    #5500

    Benedict
    Member

    Such as?

    #6180

    Te Deum
    Member

    [quote:1tip798q]Don’t tell me that the Church would give a known pimp the Eucharist! :x[/quote:1tip798q]

    I don’t know about a known pimp, but a known adulterer and protestant such as Bill Clinton, yes. I once sadly saw a priest giving him the Holy Sacrament…what a disgust! :x

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