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  • #1424

    weather
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    <img src=:” title=”Question” /> Why are so many other religious groups “anti Catholic”?If they are a God bareing sect they should love and respect everyone and there religious beliefs(or are they afraid of the truth).Any input on why this is?

    #7118

    Andres Ortiz
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    Ask Ron.

    #7119

    Ron K
    Member

    Thank you Jon, I think it is obvious, or at least it should be. It isn’t that I’m not so much anti anything, but more for the Lord and out to reach the lost. I think I’ve been clear in that I do NOT believe in how so many of the catholics have been in “happy Valley USA” i.e. just going along thinking that they are saved, most not having the foggiest idea about what determines who goes to Heaven, and even more defend it as if it was the truth, which it is NOT. As for loving and respecting Catholicism, I love you people enough to stick around, but how respectful can a person be when there is a huge spiritual war going on here?

    The Bible is Clear – one way – Matthew 7:13-14.

    So for all of your efforts, please take the time to get saved!!!!
    Which means you’d have to renounce many, many of your catholic beliefs.

    Ron
    Gospel Light Ministries

    #7120

    Bernardine
    Member

    [color=green:dbh3ztwy]My mother-in-law and father-in-law are very anti-Catholic. My father-in-law doesn’t go to church at all, but still manages to bash my religion. He doesn’t know that my wife is taking RCIA classes yet. So I am sure I’ll have to deal with him in the near future. My mother-in-law claims to be Lutheran, but she is inconsistent at attending church on Sunday’s. She doesn’t know that her girl is taking RCIA classes yet either. She will very soon. My wife mentioned to her the other day that our next kid (expecting next May) will be baptized at my church (St. Joseph’s Catholic Church in Moorhead). Her mom said she wouldn’t come to the baptism and said she wants our next kid to be baptized Lutheran. I think you are baptized a Christian, not a denomination. They don’t believe in praying the Rosary, going to Confession, the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and everything else associated with Catholics. It’s going to get nasty next April when my wife gets confirmed. I’m looking forward to defending the faith when they speak against me. But to address your question, I think these people know the Catholic Church is their biggest threat in challenging their beliefs. The small number of people that I know who bash the Catholic Church are spiritually unstable and lack spiritual confidence. For instance, they don’t fully understand and/or lack confidence in their own religion, so they have to bash someone else’s because if their insecurity. I think they may have found certain truths with the Catholic Church but are too afraid to look into it any further because they do not want to change their way of life. Or they may have found the truth, but are just too dense to do something about it. Ultimately I believe, and this is my opinion, that these people are having trouble becoming close to God and they are venting their frustrations the wrong way. Catholics are on the receiving end of this because we are the Truth, and Truth will always be ridiculed.
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    #7121

    Victor
    Member

    [quote:2htwtukx]Thank you Jon, I think it is obvious, or at least it should be. It isn’t that I’m not so much anti anything, but more for the Lord and out to reach the lost. I think I’ve been clear in that I do NOT believe in how so many of the catholics have been in “happy Valley USA” i.e. just going along thinking that they are saved, most not having the foggiest idea about what determines who goes to Heaven, and even more defend it as if it was the truth, which it is NOT. As for loving and respecting Catholicism, I love you people enough to stick around, but how respectful can a person be when there is a huge spiritual war going on here?

    The Bible is Clear – one way – Matthew 7:13-14.

    So for all of your efforts, please take the time to get saved!!!!
    Which means you’d have to renounce many, many of your catholic beliefs.

    Ron
    Gospel Light Ministries[/quote:2htwtukx]

    [color=darkred:2htwtukx]Not now, nor anytime you have posted has an ounce of knowledge about catholics and what we believe been apparent. You telling us we are lost, and that you are here to save the day is all fine and dandy, but it’s deffinately not getting you anywhere with us. If anything, we seem to be getting more assurance the more you talk.[/color:2htwtukx]

    #7123

    Ron K
    Member

    Bernedine:

    you think :
    [quote:1hvu274i] think these people know the Catholic Church is their biggest threat in challenging their beliefs. The small number of people that I know who bash the Catholic Church are spiritually unstable and lack spiritual confidence. For instance, they don’t fully understand and/or lack confidence in their own religion, so they have to bash someone else’s because if their insecurity. I think they may have found certain truths with the Catholic Church but are too afraid to look into it any further because they do not want to change their way of life. Or they may have found the truth, but are just too dense to do something about it. Ultimately I believe, and this is my opinion, that these people are having trouble becoming close to God and they are venting their frustrations the wrong way. Catholics are on the receiving end of this because we are the Truth, and Truth will always be ridiculed. [/quote:1hvu274i]

    Give me a break. I know how dense this must seem to you o’ man of wisdom, but I Know you have your facts mixed up here!

    Victor (oh buddy)
    You say:
    [quote:1hvu274i]Not now, nor anytime you have posted has an ounce of knowledge about catholics and what we believe been apparent. You telling us we are lost, and that you are here to save the day is all fine and dandy, but it’s deffinately not getting you anywhere with us. If anything, we seem to be getting more assurance the more you talk.[/quote:1hvu274i]

    Just for your update, I cannot help if you close your ears, and maybe with you I get no where, but you don’t know who is watching these points and as Scriptures say, my job is just to throw out the seeds, the Lord will take care of the rest. Sorry, its not that you can’t understand English, it is simply that you choose to not know. You do have that right.

    #7124

    Victor
    Member

    [quote:1v8kdlm0]Just for your update, I cannot help if you close your ears, and maybe with you I get no where, but you don’t know who is watching these points and as Scriptures say, my job is just to throw out the seeds, the Lord will take care of the rest. Sorry, its not that you can’t understand English, it is simply that you choose to not know. You do have that right.[/quote:1v8kdlm0]

    [color=darkred:1v8kdlm0]Thanks for proving my point.[/color:1v8kdlm0]

    #7125

    Ron K
    Member

    [b:2pmtwze1]No problem[/b:2pmtwze1] <img src=” title=”Wink” />

    All you have to do is ask <img src=” title=”Very Happy” />

    #7126

    weather
    Member

    Ron, I knew you were lurking in the weeds,I have NO intention of giving up my Catholic faith on what you presume is correct or your way of thinking.You give us a bunch of things we are to give up and go to your line of thinking,WHY should I give up my Church(which was created by Jesus)and go to your “Bible reading “(what ever you call it)cause you told me your sect is non-denominational(and of course we know it was made by sinful people)The Catholic Church was not.Give us some bona fide and legitimate reasons(not yours,and don’t quote the bible)why the Catholic Church is not the true Church.

    #7129

    Ron K
    Member

    Mr. Weathers,

    Where or what makes you sure that Christ started your church?
    If you think it is because of Matthew 16:18, maybe you should read it again….for Peter had just answered Jesus’ question of “who do you think I am?” with the correct answer of “the Messiah.” It is upon that fact that Jesus says He (not Peter) would build His Church (again not Peter’s). Moreover, look at Scriptures themselves, they always say Jesus is the Rock. Even Peter tells us that Jesus is the foundation upon which the Church is built.
    You say I shouldn’t quote Scriptures. Why not for His word is truth. What should I use a book by Humans? Then what would be any different if I used the book of Mormons, or JWs, or your Catechism, none of which are inspired by God. As for your apostolic succession, that is also a joke for two reasons: there are at least four popes that became a pope because their fathers slept around. Hardly what Christ would use. And more to the point, with all of the traditons that your church does that aren’t Biblical reveals that it isn’t of God because God said the gates of Hell would not prevail against it. And it has against yours. Matthew 24 Jesus tells us about how great the deception would be in the later times-
    and catholicism would be exhibate – 1A no doubt! But do whatever you want, you too have a free will to choose.

    I do not regret standing up for Jesus.

    #7132

    [quote:l3nmfcos]If you think it is because of Matthew 16:18, maybe you should read it again….for Peter had just answered Jesus’ question of “who do you think I am?” with the correct answer of “the Messiah.” It is upon that fact that Jesus says He (not Peter) would build His Church (again not Peter’s).[/quote:l3nmfcos]

    You just [i:l3nmfcos]made that up[/i:l3nmfcos]. Not only is there no evidence for such a thing, the “plain reading of Scripture” completely ocntradicts that [i:l3nmfcos]private[/i:l3nmfcos] interpretation.

    If you hope to convert others reading this forum, you better hope they are unreasoning, illogical, downright lacking in intelligence and most likely already anti-Catholic, because Jack Chick wouldn’t be convinced by your arguments.

    #7133

    Ron K
    Member

    I just made it up? Read it for yourself –

    [b:1cxc4lmc]Matthew 16:15-18 (New King James Version)[/b:1cxc4lmc]
    [color=darkred:1cxc4lmc]15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
    16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
    17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.[/color:1cxc4lmc]

    Who is the Rock?

    [b:1cxc4lmc]
    [color=darkred:1cxc4lmc]1 Corinthians 10:4[/b:1cxc4lmc]-and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.[/color:1cxc4lmc]

    [b:1cxc4lmc]1 Peter 2:7-9 (New King James Version)[/b:1cxc4lmc]
    [color=darkred:1cxc4lmc]7 Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient,
    ” The stone which the builders rejected
    Has become the chief cornerstone,”
    8 and
    ” A stone of stumbling
    And a rock of offense.”
    They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.
    9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;[/color:1cxc4lmc]

    I don’t depend upon someone called Jack Chick, So what parts are you questioning that is to difficult to read and understand?

    #7134

    Victor
    Member

    [b:2vilfvi2][color=darkred:2vilfvi2]Please try to stay on topic. If you wish to deviate from the topic at hand, please start another thread.[/color:2vilfvi2][/b:2vilfvi2]

    #7148

    Ron K
    Member

    I have Victor or did you not read the posting by Uncertain that I replied to?

    #7156

    weather
    Member

    :rolleyes: [color=red:2ovxqqs8]Replying to one of your post saying “Where or what makes you sure that Christ started your church”[/color:2ovxqqs8]

    Well Ron here is a non-bias timeline from the US NEWS, as to when Church’s were created and as you can see The Catholic Church was made by Christ in the year 33AD(I’m sure you got bible verses that contest that)

    http://www.saintbarbara.org/faith/history/timeline.cfm

    #7178

    Ron K
    Member

    Mr. Weathers, I’ve seen that type of evidence and I have no problems understanding that Jesus started His Church. The problem is that if Roman Catholicism is that church, then we’d have to wonder what Jesus meant by the “gates of Hell would not prevail against it.” It is very understandable why the reformation got started. In both cases the reasons are very clear – the Catholic Church does not resemble that early church, its not even the same Gospel being preached, and it isn’t even close to the same. (Why do I say that when everyone knows that you are thinking “its only his private interpretation!”)

    #7180

    weather
    Member

    When you say Jesus started his Church which one are you talking about?

    #7182

    Ron K
    Member

    I would say, I don’t believe that Christ started a denomination but rather His way. Now if you are ask me “does my church follow His way, His teachings” then I’d say yes.

    Religions are mens attempt to reach God whereas His way is His having reached down to us with Jesus and the Bible.

    #7184

    [quote:1blceawo]Mr. Weathers, I’ve seen that type of evidence and I have no problems understanding that Jesus started His Church. The problem is that if Roman Catholicism is that church, then we’d have to wonder what Jesus meant by the “gates of Hell would not prevail against it.” It is very understandable why the reformation got started. In both cases the reasons are very clear – the Catholic Church does not resemble that early church, its not even the same Gospel being preached, and it isn’t even close to the same. (Why do I say that when everyone knows that you are thinking “its only his private interpretation!”)[/quote:1blceawo]

    Do you by any chance mean “that early church” which believed in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist? Almost all of the teachings of the Catholic Church can be found explicitly in the writings of the Early Fathers. Those that can’t can often be found implicitly. But then, I doubt you read much history. After all, your answer to what Christians did for the hundred years before the Bible was written, the 350 before it was compiled, and the 1500 before it was readily available is:

    “I don’t know”.

    #7185

    [quote:2w1eo4be]Religions are mens attempt to reach God whereas His way is His having reached down to us with Jesus and the Bible.[/quote:2w1eo4be]

    Once again, you have ZERO basis for your belief in the Bible…

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