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  • #1412

    weather
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    #7044

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    He is who is. He can’t be created. God is, was, and always will be. God is the origin of all things. He is the unmoved mover, the initial cause.

    #7045

    weather
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    <img src=” title=”Confused” /> Yes,I understand that but was he here before the universe was created?also are there any pics or physical description of him(like there are of Jesus) or is he a spirit?

    #7046

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    He created the universe and is manifest in everything.

    #7047

    weather
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    Could this be the hands of God? He performs he mysticall powers in many ways.

    http://z.about.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/T … of_god.jpg

    #7048

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    Maybe, but I’ve read that’s a Photoshop job and also a reference to something very disgusting to which I will not link from this site.

    #7049

    Benedict
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    God has always existed. He created the universe and everything in it. He exists outside of time itself. All of creation, from the beginning of the universe to its end, is one eternal “right now” to God.

    God has no physical form aside from the humanity taken by Jesus. The Father and the Holy Spirit are wholly spirit. God can appear to mortals in the guise of a physical form (such as the Holy Spirit descending as a dove at Christ’s baptism) though. When God appears to man it is known as theophany.

    #7050

    If something had created God, weather, He could no longer be God.

    #7051

    Victor
    Member

    [color=darkred:3fc76e0s]Remember, Begotten not made? :mrgreen:

    More then once I have had my students ask me what God is made of. I was tempted to say He is made of spaghetti but then I saw they were serious. I told them He was made of a unlimited burning sphere of Love.[/color:3fc76e0s]

    #7052

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    [quote:2y2rujw3][color=darkred:2y2rujw3]Remember, Begotten not made? :mrgreen:[/color:2y2rujw3][/quote:2y2rujw3]
    That refers to Jesus and that he comes from the Father. Begotten means he was fathered or something caused him to exist.

    #7053

    weather
    Member

    <img src=” title=”Very Happy” /> Thanks for all the info,very useful

    #7054

    [quote:2qpunai3][quote:2qpunai3][color=darkred:2qpunai3]Remember, Begotten not made? :mrgreen:[/color:2qpunai3][/quote:2qpunai3]
    That refers to Jesus and that he comes from the Father. Begotten means he was fathered or something caused him to exist.[/quote:2qpunai3]

    This is by far the hardest to understand of any doctrine of the Church. By far. How can an eternal Being be caused? God must like detective shows, because that is one heck of a mystery :mrgreen:

    *sheepishly looks the other way when people start throwing corn*

    #7055

    Benedict
    Member

    God the Son had no cause because God has no cause. He is the uncaused cause.

    #7056

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    His physical nature was created.

    If we say he was begotten then he was brought forth by some act, no?

    #7057

    Benedict
    Member

    He is eternally begotten.

    The act is God knowing Himself. His knowledge of Himself is the Word, God the Son.

    However, because God’s self knowledge is a person, God the Son, the act is not so much an act as an intrinsic quality of the divine nature.

    To put it more simply, to state that being begotten was an action would mean there was some point at which God had not yet acted and, thus, some point at which the Son was not.

    #7058

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    Isn’t it fair to say there was a point in which he physically was not, but his divinity always has existed?

    #7059

    Benedict
    Member

    Oh, absolutely. If we were speaking of the Incarnation, then of course. The Son has always existed as the Son, but at a particular point in time He became incarnate as Jesus Christ.

    The line “begotten, not made” is in reference to the Son’s relation to the Father, though. Christ’s humanity is a creation and was made.

    #7069

    [quote:ij33ugmy]He is eternally begotten.

    The act is God knowing Himself. His knowledge of Himself is the Word, God the Son.

    However, because God’s self knowledge is a person, God the Son, the act is not so much an act as an intrinsic quality of the divine nature.

    To put it more simply, to state that being begotten was an action would mean there was some point at which God had not yet acted and, thus, some point at which the Son was not.[/quote:ij33ugmy]

    This is always the way I understood it.

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