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    Victor
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    [i:1y5gtx88]John Paul II in a General Audience of Nov 30, 1988 said: “If Jesus feels abandoned by the Father, He knows, however, that that is not really so. He Himself said: ‘I and the Father are one. ‘ … . dominant in His mind Jesus has the clear vision of God and the certainty of His union with the Father. But in the sphere bordering on the senses, and therefore more subject to the impressions, emotions and influences of the internal and external experiences of pain, Jesus’ human soul is reduced to a wasteland, and [b:1y5gtx88]He no longer feels the presence of the Father[/b:1y5gtx88]… . However, Jesus knew that by this ultimate phase of His sacrifice, reaching the intimate core of His being, He completed the work of reparation which was the purpose of His sacrifice for the expiation of sins.” [/i:1y5gtx88]

    How can Christ not feel the presence of the Father?

    #8846

    Andres Ortiz
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    Jesus was human too. He felt abandoned in that moment, a moment of great physical pain. It’s not like he was in euphoria on the cross.

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    Victor
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    "Jon":e81iyyce wrote:
    Jesus was human too. He felt abandoned in that moment, a moment of great physical pain. It’s not like he was in euphoria on the cross.[/quote:e81iyyce]
    That still doesn’t explain how He could no longer feel the presence of the Father.
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    Andres Ortiz
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    How do you define “feel the presence”? Maybe we’re talking about 2 different things.

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