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    The Virgin of Guadalupe remains

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    The Brownsville Herald
    This image in a tree at a Brownsville home has attracted thousands of visitors over the years. Some call it a miraculous image of the Virgin of Guadalupe while others scoff at the image as a knobby piece of tree bark.
    the years

    By SARA IN;S CALDER”N
    The Brownsville Herald

    BROWNSVILLE – The Virgin of Guadalupe was here.

    She waited at the top of a cottonwood tree, a bright image on dull bark, for the faithful to come. Standing at the base of the tree, a close look points to two old, faded green plastic stems under a 3-foot-tall oval-shaped discoloration in the tree’s bark.

    An even closer look reveals that the discoloration resembles the shape of the legendary halo that surrounds the Virgin of Guadalupe on religious candles and prayer books. The purported apparition looks down St. Charles Street, toward Hope Park, past the dividing river and into Mexico.

    It was here that, more than 13 years ago, thousands flocked to pay homage to the apparition. Some believed it was a miracle. Others believed it was a renewal of faith. There were also skeptics who scoffed at the image as a knobby piece of tree bark and nothing more.

    Two wooden pews adorned with old, faded plastic flowers share space with bright, new flowers at the foot of the tree on the sidewalk. People occasionally come to bring things to the tree, to pray or kneel before the homemade altar. Only one of the pews has a bench.

    They come, they kneel and they pray.

    James C. Davidson, who owns the white house and tree, has lived there since the 1940s after returning from World War II.

    “(Passersby) noticed it first,” Davidson said.

    He sent Mar??a, his housekeeper at the time, to check it out.

    “I didn’t know what the hell they were looking at,” he said, punctuating his story with a little cackle. “Hay una virgen en su ?°rbol,” Mar??a said excitedly, he recalled in Spanish with eyes wide open. [color=red:ich3uw3e]”There’s a virgin in your tree.”[/color:ich3uw3e]
    Davidson’s family arrived in Brownsville in 1933 when he was 9 years old. They came after the hurricane that swept the Texas coast that year. His stepfather was a carpenter and found work here.

    His mother, “a red-headed Irish woman” with good business sense, bought the house at the intersection of St. Charles and 10th streets shortly after. She liked the house, she liked the town, and she liked the Rio Grande Valley, he said. This was home until he joined the Army Air Corps, the forerunner of the U.S. Air Force, when he was 18.

    The tree, devoid of branches on its lower half, is taller than the two-story house.

    The tree where the image of the virgin would appear almost 50 years later was planted when he was a little boy and was already grown when Davidson headed home in 1946 to the house he inherited from his mother.

    There was no fence then. That didn’t come until the faithful decided to protect the image and installed it for him, he said.

    He continues to be the landlord of the Garage Apartments behind his house.

    Life changed when the Guadalupe appeared, he recalls.

    In Davidson’s mind, la Virgen de Guadalupe appeared on the tree to comfort him after the loss of his wife. The apparition coincided with her death, he said.

    “Bonnie was a good woman,” Davidson said. “I think she died just before, and the tree appeared to give me consolation. That was amazing what that tree did for me. It made me believe.”

    A man with no religion, he said he likes to go to Catholic churches because he can go “when I need help from the Man upstairs, just to stay on his good side.”

    Davidson squints, trying to recall the flurry that surrounded Guadalupe’s arrival in his front yard.

    Strangers in his front yard, stealing pieces of bark, kneeling at an impromptu altar, snapping Polaroid pictures, hawking Guadalupe merchandise, police blockading streets, newspaper people asking him questions, tenants complaining about the fuss. None of it ever bothered him, he said.

    “If that’s their religion, that’s their religion,” he reasoned.

    The reality is that nobody knows whether the image was a random discoloration, a timely assurance of faith or a divine mandate to instill belief.

    The Catholic Diocese of Brownsville had “no official position” on the apparition.

    “Since that image appeared on the tree, nothing but good things have happened to me,” he said.

    Davidson insists only good people come to worship the tree; bad people wouldn’t come. There used to be more flowers, more people, more attention, and then it sort of stopped, he remembered.

    The tree in his front yard brought Davidson closer to God.

    “The tree converted me,” he said, adding that he wasn’t always a religious person, but that changed once Rio Grande Valley pilgrims flocked to an old man’s house. “I am now.”

    #6845

    Ron K
    Member

    It isn’t Mary either there or any other “visionary” Satan impersonates her to get people to “pray the rosary” or “trust” in Jesus’ mother – none of which are biblical.

    #6847

    [quote:385tb3gr]It isn’t Mary either there or any other “visionary” Satan impersonates her to get people to “pray the rosary” or “trust” in Jesus’ mother – none of which are biblical.[/quote:385tb3gr]

    First of all, why do they have to be Biblical? Second of all, you do realize the Rosary is [i:385tb3gr]taken[/i:385tb3gr] from the Bible? The mysteries deal with Biblical events, the Hail Mary is taken directly from the Bible, the Our Father is taken from the Bible… how much more “Biblical” do you want us to get?

    #6852

    Ron K
    Member

    Uncertaindrummer says:
    [b:1uz26nbd][quote:1uz26nbd]
    First of all, why do they have to be Biblical? Second of all, you do realize the Rosary is taken from the Bible? The mysteries deal with Biblical events, the Hail Mary is taken directly from the Bible, the Our Father is taken from the Bible… how much more “Biblical” do you want us to get?[/quote:1uz26nbd][/b:1uz26nbd]_________________

    1 You should want to be biblical so that you aren’t in error!
    2 The rosary is not biblically acceptable – I’m often accused of taking Scriptures out of context – Which is totally what you get if you think its biblical A -the Angel said “Hail Mary” then he says “you are full of grace” –
    but you guys put these verses together as if its a prayer …. ridiculous !!!Sure Mary is Biblical as well as the Our Father, but Mary’s being an receptical for prayer and/or to pray to Isn’t

    I think you should not “twist” Scriptures nor believe those that are telling you these foolish things

    #6855

    [quote:2sxvayrx]Uncertaindrummer says:
    [b:2sxvayrx][quote:2sxvayrx]
    First of all, why do they have to be Biblical? Second of all, you do realize the Rosary is taken from the Bible? The mysteries deal with Biblical events, the Hail Mary is taken directly from the Bible, the Our Father is taken from the Bible… how much more “Biblical” do you want us to get?[/quote:2sxvayrx][/b:2sxvayrx]_________________

    1 You should want to be biblical so that you aren’t in error!
    2 The rosary is not biblically acceptable – I’m often accused of taking Scriptures out of context – Which is totally what you get if you think its biblical A -the Angel said “Hail Mary” then he says “you are full of grace” –
    but you guys put these verses together as if its a prayer …. ridiculous !!!Sure Mary is Biblical as well as the Our Father, but Mary’s being an receptical for prayer and/or to pray to Isn’t

    I think you should not “twist” Scriptures nor believe those that are telling you these foolish things[/quote:2sxvayrx]

    1. This is a non sequitor. I asked why things had to be Biblical. You responded with an answer that has nothing to do with my question.
    2. That is indeed what the angel says. What’s your problem?
    3. Why can’t I ask Mary to pray for me? I can ask you, and you would probably be happy to. Yet I can’t ask someone who is perfected in righteousness, closer to God than you, me, or any other “living”* being? Why not?

    God WANTS suuplications, intercession, prayers and thanksgivings offered, I am only listening to Him. You on the other hand, try to deny His greatest Saints even the slightest bit of respect.

    *because actually, their souls are every bit alive, and while you have a wounded soul floundering the corrupt world and most likely sin, the Saints’ souls are perfect. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful. Why wouldn’t I ask the MOST righteous beings around to pray for me?

    #6858

    Ron K
    Member

    Uncertaindrummer says:

    [quote:2ryrlo4h]1. This is a non sequitor. I asked why things had to be Biblical. You responded with an answer that has nothing to do with my question[/quote:2ryrlo4h].
    And I answered if you wanted to be correct then that is why you should check out whatever comes up with Scriptures – it God’s word

    [quote:2ryrlo4h]2. That is indeed what the angel says. What’s your problem? [/quote:2ryrlo4h]
    So how does that make a prayer to another human which is your problem

    [quote:2ryrlo4h]3. Why can’t I ask Mary to pray for me? I can ask you, and you would probably be happy to. Yet I can’t ask someone who is perfected in righteousness, closer to God than you, me, or any other “living”* being? Why not? [/quote:2ryrlo4h]
    We are told to pray to God alone – not to people that died and passed into Heaven or Hell. Isaiah 8:19 ends with the remark that we should not go to the dead but to God alone, 1 Timothy tells us [b:2ryrlo4h]There is one intercessor the man Jesus[/b:2ryrlo4h] and Acts 4:12 says “by no other name” Also what makes you think that anyone in Heaven can or wants to hear from us?

    [quote:2ryrlo4h]God WANTS suuplications, intercession, prayers and thanksgivings offered, I am only listening to Him.[/quote:2ryrlo4h]
    Sure he does, having fellowship with others is no problem as long as nether is dead. And please don’t tell we about “God is a God of the living”
    That verse was not stated as a permission slip for prayers to the dead. Also Hebrews 4:16 says that “we can boldly go before the throne of grace”
    and knowing that God is a Jealous God – what makes you think He accepts prayers to the dead?
    [quote:2ryrlo4h]
    You on the other hand, try to deny His greatest Saints even the slightest bit of respect. [/quote:2ryrlo4h]
    How’s that ? just because I rather do God’s will does not show disrespect towards saints which BTW are people still living that are saved – as we see in many of Paul’s letters to the saints in ____ !

    [quote:2ryrlo4h]*because actually, their souls are every bit alive, and while you have a wounded soul floundering the corrupt world and most likely sin, the Saints’ souls are perfect. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful. Why wouldn’t I ask the MOST righteous beings around to pray for me? [/quote:2ryrlo4h]
    Go ahead and ask a living saint, I have no problem with that

    #6863

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    [quote:3syn28i5]And I answered if you wanted to be correct then that is why you should check out whatever comes up with Scriptures – it God’s word[/quote:3syn28i5]
    On whose authority is it God’s Word? If you say because the Bible says so then the same claim can be made for the Koran. If your only test to authority is because a book claims it then you lose all credibility.

    [quote:3syn28i5]We are told to pray to God alone – not to people that died and passed into Heaven or Hell. Isaiah 8:19 ends with the remark that we should not go to the dead but to God alone[/quote:3syn28i5]
    The saints aren’t dead, they are alive in Heaven. They are members of the Body of Christ just like you and me. Only now they are completely with God while you and I are left to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.

    #6864

    [quote:56902fgd]Go ahead and ask a living saint, I have no problem with that[/quote:56902fgd]

    Okay then. I will ask Mary, the Apostles, Saint Stephen, Saint Joseph, Saint Francis, etc. etc. etc.

    All of whom are quite alive.

    #6867

    Benedict
    Member

    I am the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead but of the living. (Matthew 22:32)

    #6869

    Ron K
    Member

    Please Jon, not this:



    [quote:2he7exqq]Ron wrote:
    And I answered if you wanted to be correct then that is why you should check out whatever comes up with Scriptures – it God’s word

    On whose authority is it God’s Word? If you say because the Bible says so then the same claim can be made for the Koran. If your only test to authority is because a book claims it then you lose all credibility.

    Ron wrote:
    We are told to pray to God alone – not to people that died and passed into Heaven or Hell. Isaiah 8:19 ends with the remark that we should not go to the dead but to God alone

    The saints aren’t dead, they are alive in Heaven. They are members of the Body of Christ just like you and me. Only now they are completely with God while you and I are left to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.[/quote:2he7exqq]
    _________________
    1st ? – At least the Thessalonians got it right – (1Thes 2:13) -[color=red:2he7exqq]For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe. [/color:2he7exqq]

    2nd statement – The saints aren’t dead in that sense – neither are those in Hell – we all are eternally presserved in Heaven or Hell – But physically they died from this life – so don’t play ignorance as you know what was meant by Isaiah’s remark!!!

    #6871

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    So in other words you can’t really provide an answer about the Scriptures other than referencing the Scriptures.

    #6875

    Ron K
    Member

    Jon says:
    [quote:z7zr8exy]So in other words you can’t really provide an answer about the Scriptures other than referencing the Scriptures.[/quote:z7zr8exy]

    Tsk tsk Jon what else does anyone need [color=red:z7zr8exy]For Scriptures themselves are truth [/color:z7zr8exy](John 17:17) and will teach us this as well – [color=red:z7zr8exy]”we will know the truth and the truth will set us free” [/color:z7zr8exy]
    (John 8:31+32)

    But before you answer realize this is from THE WORD of the Almighty God that you defy, not me! I tell you my resources, Look these things up yourself! I have no reason to lie!

    #6877

    [quote:5k8xrnq7]Jon says:
    [quote:5k8xrnq7]So in other words you can’t really provide an answer about the Scriptures other than referencing the Scriptures.[/quote:5k8xrnq7]

    Tsk tsk Jon what else does anyone need [color=red:5k8xrnq7]For Scriptures themselves are truth [/color:5k8xrnq7](John 17:17) and will teach us this as well – [color=red:5k8xrnq7]”we will know the truth and the truth will set us free” [/color:5k8xrnq7]
    (John 8:31+32)

    But before you answer realize this is from THE WORD of the Almighty God that you defy, not me! I tell you my resources, Look these things up yourself! I have no reason to lie![/quote:5k8xrnq7]

    Lying isn’t the point. You are using the bible to prove the Bible.

    That is impossible. It defies logic and reason, two God given talents we are all endowed with, which you are ignoring. It is a tautology. It DOES NOT WORK. You cannot use the Bible to say the Bible is inspired. Among many other reasons why, it is very simply a logical fallacy.

    Beyond its inherent falsity, the argument also fails because the Koran, the book of Mormon, “Christian” science writings, etc. all claim to be inspired and often use [i:5k8xrnq7]far stronger[/i:5k8xrnq7] language than the Bible ever uses to describe themselves. Yet you don’t listen to the Koran, do you.

    Also, beyond that, [i:5k8xrnq7]many[/i:5k8xrnq7] books of the bible make no claims to inspiration. If I were to ask you why you think Matthew is inspired, you would [i:5k8xrnq7]have no answer[/i:5k8xrnq7].

    So again, Ron, why do you think your answer even remotely touched upon my question?

    #6881

    Ron K
    Member

    [quote:33m1i8ie]So again, Ron, why do you think your answer even remotely touched upon my question?[/quote:33m1i8ie]

    I don’t need a reason to believe that the Bible is the authority over any Koran or other Book – it has no errors – and needs no explaination that you would believe – in other words whether you believe it or not changes nothing about the truthfulness of Scriptures- It simply is God’s word and that is good enough for me

    Whereas what book has a god that died and rose up again like the Bible?
    or does the miracles as Jesus does? Or the 100% accuracy of His prophecies? None of them That is how I know it to be the Authority by what it say being 100% truthful and accurate!

    #6884

    [quote:31gcdmyn]

    I don’t need a reason to believe that the Bible is the authority over any Koran or other Book – it has no errors – and needs no explaination that you would believe -[/quote:31gcdmyn]

    YOU say it has no errors. IT doesn’t even say it has no errors. Matthew’s gospel never makes such a claim, for example.

    [quote:31gcdmyn]in other words whether you believe it or not changes nothing about the truthfulness of Scriptures-[/quote:31gcdmyn]

    That’s like me saying “whether you believe it or not, the Church is infallible”. It might be TRUE, but it isn’t an argument. It is just another empty tautological fallacy.

    [quote:31gcdmyn]It simply is God’s word and that is good enough for me[/quote:31gcdmyn]

    Which you only believe because you were born in an area where Christianity is strong. Had you been born in the Middle East, you would have believed in the Koran, and, if someone had tried to push the Bible onto you, you would say “the Koran is the Word of God and that is good enough for me”. Your reasoning is useless.

    [quote:31gcdmyn]Whereas what book has a god that died and rose up again like the Bible?[/quote:31gcdmyn]

    I’m sure there are plenty, but if it bothers you, I’ll write one. Will you then believe that book also? And besides, that only happens in four books–the Gospels. Why do you trust in those particular gospels (there are other stories of Christ’s mission) and why do you believe that the many letters and epistles are inspired, and how have you decided which ones are inspired?

    [quote:31gcdmyn]or does the miracles as Jesus does?[/quote:31gcdmyn]

    I can give you plenty of books where people do miracles. And besides, this doesn’t mean anything. A book can faithfully relate Jesus’ miracles
    [i:31gcdmyn]without being inspired[/i:31gcdmyn]. His miracles in a book do not said book inspired.

    [quote:31gcdmyn]Or the 100% accuracy of His prophecies? [/quote:31gcdmyn]

    Which prophecies? Plenty of people believe Nostradomus (wow, I reall butchered that spelling… heh) told a bunch of valid prophecies. Does that make him inspired?

    [quote:31gcdmyn]None of them That is how I know it to be the Authority by what it say being 100% truthful and accurate[/quote:31gcdmyn]

    So in other words, you don’t know at all. Well I’m glad I understand this finally. You believe in the Bible because… of no reason at all.

    #6888

    Ron K
    Member

    Uncertaindrummer wrote to answer my statements:
    [quote:3avjv0tf]
    I don’t need a reason to believe that the Bible is the authority over any Koran or other Book – it has no errors – and needs no explaination that you would believe –

    YOU say it has no errors. IT doesn’t even say it has no errors. Matthew’s gospel never makes such a claim, for example. [/quote:3avjv0tf]
    The difference is, as Matthew tells us in 22:29- You are mistaken because you don’t know Scriptures”
    [quote:3avjv0tf]
    in other words whether you believe it or not changes nothing about the truthfulness of Scriptures-

    That’s like me saying “whether you believe it or not, the Church is infallible”. It might be TRUE, but it isn’t an argument. It is just another empty tautological fallacy. [/quote:3avjv0tf]
    I can only tell you the truth, if you choose to believe it, well that determines whether you what to be saved or not
    [quote:3avjv0tf]
    It simply is God’s word and that is good enough for me

    Which you only believe because you were born in an area where Christianity is strong. Had you been born in the Middle East, you would have believed in the Koran, and, if someone had tried to push the Bible onto you, you would say “the Koran is the Word of God and that is good enough for me”. Your reasoning is useless. [/quote:3avjv0tf]
    The origin of someone doesn’t matter – Romans 1 tells us “we are all without excuse.” The important thing is where we will go…. [color=red:3avjv0tf]Man is destined to die and then comes judgement[/color:3avjv0tf] – Hebrews 9:27 The only useless reasoning is by those of whom reject Jesus’s only free gift of salvation for pride or bullheadedness or any other reason.

    [quote:3avjv0tf]
    Whereas what book has a god that died and rose up again like the Bible?

    I’m sure there are plenty, but if it bothers you, I’ll write one. Will you then believe that book also? And besides, that only happens in four books–the Gospels. Why do you trust in those particular gospels (there are other stories of Christ’s mission) and why do you believe that the many letters and epistles are inspired, and how have you decided which ones are inspired? [/quote:3avjv0tf]
    Sorry pal, but we are instructed not to add to the Bible which is just another evidence of false religions. The Mormons, JW’s and Catholics all have their “extra’s” which are full of contraditorary instructions. I’ve already told you that the Bible stands alone in truth and accuracy – proofs found to be 100% accurate – They are proof in themselves. But to simplify it [b:3avjv0tf][u:3avjv0tf]B[/u:3avjv0tf][/b:3avjv0tf] – Basic[b:3avjv0tf][u:3avjv0tf] I[/u:3avjv0tf][/b:3avjv0tf]- instructions [u:3avjv0tf][b:3avjv0tf]B[/b:3avjv0tf][/u:3avjv0tf]- before[u:3avjv0tf][b:3avjv0tf] L[/b:3avjv0tf][/u:3avjv0tf]- leaving [u:3avjv0tf][b:3avjv0tf]E-[/b:3avjv0tf][/u:3avjv0tf]earth

    [quote:3avjv0tf]
    or does the miracles as Jesus does?

    I can give you plenty of books where people do miracles. And besides, this doesn’t mean anything. A book can faithfully relate Jesus’ miracles
    without being inspired. His miracles in a book do not said book inspired. [/quote:3avjv0tf]
    You can do whatever you want to do but that type of reasoning is also useless.

    [quote:3avjv0tf]
    Or the 100% accuracy of His prophecies?

    Which prophecies? Plenty of people believe Nostradomus (wow, I reall butchered that spelling… heh) told a bunch of valid prophecies. Does that make him inspired? [/quote:3avjv0tf]
    Prophetcies such as His virgin birth and the whole book of Revelation is Prophetical as well as the many prophecies about His coming (Daniel 9:24-27 ) to name a few. 1 Timothy 4 – [color=red:3avjv0tf]Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; [/color:3avjv0tf] sounds pretty accurate to discribe today’s life. Nostradomas wasn’t error proof – which proves it isn’t infallible, nor inspired

    [quote:3avjv0tf]None of them That is how I know it to be the Authority by what it say being 100% truthful and accurate

    So in other words, you don’t know at all. Well I’m glad I understand this finally. You believe in the Bible because… of no reason at all.
    _________________ [/quote:3avjv0tf]
    Let’s get this straight – I’ve checked out Scripture for myself, It is you that doubts and rejects God’s word and His salvation plan. If you need help to understand where Catholicism is in error, I can show you that as well, but if you are simply going to refuse to accept these facts, that I cannot change , but know this much – would I be here if I was benefitting one bit by my personal benefits? Not hardly. We have been told byGod to preach the Gospel to the lost – do you want to know about how to get saved or not? That is my motivation plain and simple.

    #6901

    weather
    Member

    Ron,the Bible has lots of errors in it,can you imagine 2000 years ago all of the disciples writing what they thought Jesus “meant” but is as accurate as can be.Also if you read it closely it a great love book(think about it).There is a great book I read it’s called “Trilogy of Christ” I highly think anyone should read this.

    #6905

    Ron K
    Member

    Weathers writes:
    [b:3gaegf0t]Ron,the Bible has lots of errors in it[/b:3gaegf0t]

    Sorry but I don’t buy that – If for no other reason then that the Holy Spirit is responsible for Scriptures. Besides that I haven’t seen any either[/b]

    #6909

    weather
    Member

    <img src=” title=”Neutral” /> Ron,I’m not a bible study expert like you(I read it everyday,but never got into the study part)I guess shouldn’t have used the word “error” I guess a better word is interpretation of the Bible,there are so many different versions out there(you got yours,I got mine), and if one would take any verse in the Bible and look at it there would be at least 4 or 5 different meanings from different Bibles.So you read and understand a verse from your bible probably different from way I read it from mine.

    #6910

    Ron K
    Member

    Weathers said:
    [quote:w3iw83py]
    Ron,I’m not a bible study expert like you(I read it everyday,but never got into the study part)I guess shouldn’t have used the word “error” I guess a better word is interpretation of the Bible,there are so many different versions out there(you got yours,I got mine), and if one would take any verse in the Bible and look at it there would be at least 4 or 5 different meanings from different Bibles.So you read and understand a verse from your bible probably different from way I read it from mine.
    [/quote:w3iw83py]

    You asked how does one get to Heaven

    It does not take an expert to get to know the Bible – just someone that wants to Know what it says, not what others say it says. I can show you that Jesus said when asked what are the works to do, He said “to believe in Him who the father sent” or something like that from John 6:28+29

    so we look and see that He washed us, cleansed us, redeemed us, purchased us, and so on with His Blood ie. what He did at Calvary’s
    cross. We see this in Isaiah 53:5, Romans 5:9, Ephesian 1:7, Colossians 1:14+20, 1 Peter 1:18+19: Rev.1:5 and by doing this He PURGED us of our sins. The key is found in John 3:16 For whosoever BELIEVES.

    It does then give you sacraments or penances or Purgatory to remove your sins – those are “catholic” add ons that nullify Scriptures.

    All that is required is for you to seek first – in His word with an open heart. Read it for yourself and get rid of the binding garbage found in the Catholic Church.

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