October 9, 2009 at 2:07 am #1941
My school provides an extracurricular activity called One-Acts (basically, the group acts out an entire play by summoning it up in one act.) This year’s play is [u:2n0i5c6o]The Laramie Project.[/u:2n0i5c6o] I was wondering what the Catholic Church’s position is on this particular event.October 9, 2009 at 5:25 am #9455
There are a couple of issues here. The Catholic Church teaches that simply being a homosexual is not a sin. Homosexual behavior is held to be sinful. However, we should not overlook the fact that heterosexual behavior between two persons not married to each other is also sinful.
The second issue is that Catholic Church holds to discriminate against someone in housing, jobs etc is immoral. To assault or kill someone because they are different is also immoral. So basic human rights are to be afforded to anyone, including homosexuals.October 10, 2009 at 7:50 pm #9456
what about your personal opinion? Do you believe the same way?October 11, 2009 at 12:59 am #9457
DeeownMember"LARobert":3knw09sh wrote:There are a couple of issues here. The Catholic Church teaches that simply being a homosexual is not a sin. Homosexual behavior is held to be sinful. However, we should not overlook the fact that heterosexual behavior between two persons not married to each other is also sinful.
The second issue is that Catholic Church holds to discriminate against someone in housing, jobs etc is immoral. To assault or kill someone because they are different is also immoral. So basic human rights are to be afforded to anyone, including homosexuals.[/quote:3knw09sh]
does that mean we should vote no on prop 8?October 11, 2009 at 1:05 am #9458
I do beleive that if someone lives a life which is sinful, and does not harm someone else by his sins, that he or she should have the same freedoms and rights that others have. If someone harms someone by their sinful acts, the state needs to judge and punish them.
As for their soul, that would be something that the person and their spiritual superior need to deal with. As I am not a spiritual superior to anyone, I can only support their attempts to reform their lives, and direct them to a priest, or religious superior in their religion. I also have the obligation to try and live my life as morally as possible, and not to judge the state of another’s soul.
In my personal case, and off the main topic. I had a brother who died of AIDS, he and his homosexual partner were the nicest people you could ever meet. Some of their friends are still friends of mine today. I am grateful that my brother and his partner who were raised Catholic and had turned their backs on the Moral teachings of the Church were able to return to the Church, and live as brothers (no sexual activity) for the last two years of their lives. They got pressured from some of their friends to return to their old lifestyle but sought a spiritual path rather than a carnal one in the end. I see them as very heroic. Of their friends who are still alive, they know I beleive that if one is not married one has no rights (morally) to sexual activity. However I don’t go into their bedrooms, or condemn them, (I do pray for them, as well as pray to remain chaste myself.) I see no difference between being a celebate heterosexual or a celebate Heterosexual.
One of the local parishes has a chapter of Courage, a support group that encourages homosexuals to remain celebate. I would also like to see such groups for young heterosexuals, and adult heterosexuals who have temptations against chastity.October 11, 2009 at 1:23 am #9459
Prop 8 was highly charged, with quite a few distortions on both sides, from what I could see.
I think more important than legislation to ban homosexuals from marriage, we need to encourage the sanctity of valid marriages between men and women.
I don’t see the people who promoted Prop 8, encouraging heterosexuals to avoid divorce, and to educate young adults about how to enter into a good marriage. I see many quickie marriages and divorces among heterosexuals and multiple marriages.
At least at this time, Homosexuals, and Heterosexuals (who do not wish to marry, but do wish the same rights as married couples) can enter into a Civil Union, in some localities they may also enter into a Registered Domestic Partnership. Some (Protestant) Churches have Commitment or Union services for homosexual couples. At this time, I think as they provide the same rights as married couples, homosexuals should review their options and tactics very carefully. We will always have people who don’t hate the sin but love the sinner. We will always have people who justify their own sinfulness by pointing out people they think are sinning more than they are.
I personally don’t see the difference between someone who is married by a justice of the peace, and a homosexual marriage. Both are, or would be legal before the government, but not recognized by the Church. I think that as long as the Church is not forced to preform or recognize any marriage that is not in line with the moral and doctrinal teachings on what makes a sacramental marriage. It really does not matter to me, if however they insist I call a marriage that is not sacramental one, I would protest that.
There are a number of other issues that flow from the issue, like children, adoption etc. which could be discussed in another thread.
It is interesting to note that there have been several “divorces” among those homosexuals who rushed to marry. Some were very upset that now that they had “Legal” marriages, they now had to go through the time, and expence to get “Legal” divorces. Something they did not think of when they demanded “Legal” marriages.December 3, 2009 at 1:32 am #9477
Just curious…How did/does the Catholic Church delt/deals with Rev. Fred Phelps and his extreamist point-of-view?December 3, 2009 at 4:35 am #9481
Since “Rev.” Phelps started a Church of his own, and the congregation is made up of his family members. Since “Rev.” Phelps preaches hate, not of just the sin, but the person, he teaches a different Gospel than the Church.
The Catholic Church teaches that all of us are sinners, and Jesus Grace is the remedy for our sickness (sinfullness) Matters of ones moral life are delt with in the confessional, and not on the street.
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