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March 28, 2005 at 9:57 pm #4000AnonymousInactive
Next time I get knocked out in the hospital it will be scarier.
~VictorMarch 29, 2005 at 5:42 am #4007AnonymousInactive
I haven’t commented here in a while. Forgive me if my statements are repetitive. This whole case saddens me, not because of what is happening, but because of what has been going on for years- that is removing feeding tubes from handicapped people. In many cases their only handicap is that, (like infants or someone with a broken arm) they can not feed themselves.
We are still upset with the way my mother-in-law was treated in a Catholic nursing home. She suffered from a dementia, likely Alzheimer’s. She walked, talked, and breathed on her own. She reacted to everyone and everything. Her physical handicap? She could not swallow. The caregivers strongly recommended [b:1y5yzl09]removing her feeding tube. In other words, she had Alzheimers- so let her starve to death. [/b:1y5yzl09]To say the least- the family did not let that happen.
We found out later, when listening to a talk by a Pro-Life lawyer that this kind of thing is happening in hospitals and nursing homes everywhere. I have heard of it in our own small community- folks with terminally ill parents, who are not on life supports of any kind are told that it is a normal thing to do to withold food and water.
I am sorry I just do not get it, doctors regularly put young teen girls on contraceptives for something as simple as acne, I can gladly find medical personel who will accept my money to get rid of my facial wrinkles or excess fat. But that we should medically provide a human being the bare essentials of food and water??
We have been praying for Terri daily, and I have sent letters to our representatives and senators. ……………Once again I was saddened that there is a strong political divide. Our Republican representative was supportive while our two Democratic senators were not . I was not going to say which way either party responded, but those are the facts , at least in this Wisconsin district.
Okay I have made up for not commenting in ages. Personally I have been praying for a miracle in this sad Florida case.March 31, 2005 at 3:14 pm #4038About Catholics TeamKeymaster
Terri Schiavo has died this morning. May God rest her soul.
She’ll have had no idea she was at the center of a huge controversy and media frenzy.
I know this is not over because there is the autopsy still and probably much more.
I’m interested to see how this all unfolds now that she has died.March 31, 2005 at 3:35 pm #4039AnonymousInactive
Our prayers are with her.
~VictorApril 1, 2005 at 5:13 pm #4049AnonymousInactive
May she now truly rest in peace. ” title=”Sad” />April 2, 2005 at 7:50 am #4056AnonymousInactive
ACCIDENTALLY PUT THIS ON ANOTHER POST AND REALLY FELT I SHOULD COPY IT TO HERE.
I just finished defending the church’s position on Terry Shiavo.
Sadly, it was with church members at my parish. It took me 2 hours to explain the reasoning behind the churches position.
Here are the justifications I heard from many:
1. She is suffering just let her die in peace.
2. That’s no person, its just a body.
3. It was her will to terminate her life if she was ever in that situation.
Here is my responses according to my understanding of the churches position:
1. If suffering is a means of justificaition to end a life, then may God bless us because I can name many that suffer. Although I would say that if number 2 is really true, then how could they be suffering if it’s just a bag of skin with bones.
2. Boy is that a scary comment. Men seem to want to define on their own when life starts, when it ends. and when someone is actually human. They seem to think that life starts when:
1. I see growth (few actually said this though)
2. I attach emotions to it
3. I see a concious person
Problem is that it leaves out the following people:
1. Severe Down Syndrome people stop mentally growing at some point.
2. Many can’t and don’t attach emotions to people they never seen or people they don’t like.
3. I suppose an infant or a 2 week old fetus is not conscious.
Let’s end all these peoples lives, right?
I also asked them the following questions and they responded with the following:
Q: I suppose if a mother decides to stop feeding her baby it would be ok right?
A: That’s different cause you get attached to a baby.
Q: Ok then, how about people you don’t get attached too, can you end their life?
A: Well no, because those people show signs of growth and they look conscious.
Q: So growth indicates that your human then right?
Q: Then should we rid ourselves of old people with diseases such as Alzheimer’s and people who are not mentally compontent?
A: Yah but they look concious.
Q: So when is someone conscious?
A: When their brain is atleast working.
Q: Was that the case with Terry Shiavo?
A: I don’t think so.
Q: You seem be unsure, are you sure?
A: Well we don’t really know the details of how the human conscious exactly works with the physical brain. Science is barely scratching the surface. Ther is alot of mystery behind that.
Q: So we are making a decision on something we don’t know much about?
A: Ummm. I see what you mean.
Thankfully I was able to convince two good friends of mine.
By the way this goes into several other topics like abortion, euthanasia, death penalty and so on.
To conclude this is what I told them the Churches position was from my understanding….
Any physycal matter that is directly and crucially involved with the production of a human life cannot be terminated by human intervention. Unless, in the rare case that an incarcerated person is still causing grave damage to human lives by continuing to kill because the government is unable to contain him/her. His life may be terminated. Intervention with someone who is dieing by natural means (starving to death is not natural) is permissible IF it has been decided there is no remedy or solution for the person.
This pretty much covers alot of topics like:
4. Death Penalty
I think as a human race we have repeatedly shown to be unable to choose and define when a life starts, when it ends, at what it means to be human. Aren’t you glad God defined it for us?
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