- March 18, 2005 at 5:55 pm #986
Within minutes of my writing this Terri Schiavo’s feeding tub will be removed so she will experience a painful death of starvation. The media has misinformed the public concerning Terri. She is not in a coma. She is not in pain. She is not dieing. She does not have a terminal illness. She is not on life support. She has never requested to die. Though she has brain damage, she can smile and respond to people.
Her husband has children with another women. It is he, not her parents, who wish to have her feeding tube removed. He parents are fighting attempt to take her life.
On another board a Hindu spoke out against this attempted murder. We must do the same. I made phone calls this morning. Please do the same.
Plaese pray for her and our nation.March 18, 2005 at 10:26 pm #3876
Please go to http://www.terrisfight.org and view at least one of the videos of her. I suggest the one of Terri and her mother. It will take about 5 min. for it to upload. If you have any questions if Terri should be fed or not, I think they will answer them.
I heard on CNN that about 5:07 EST Terri’s feeding tube was removed.
Lord have mercy.March 19, 2005 at 4:21 am #3878
Lord Have MercyMarch 19, 2005 at 5:21 pm #3880
I hope all gets better for her. If not, may she rest peacefully in heaven.March 19, 2005 at 5:51 pm #3881
Hi Ardent Listener. Thank you for this thread. I have posted a poll in this forum with a number of different options for helping Terri Schiavo. The name of the poll is [color=red:2aoqvdgz][b:2aoqvdgz]’Terri Schiavo: What does your faith in action look like?'[/b:2aoqvdgz][/color:2aoqvdgz]
On the first post of that poll are [b:2aoqvdgz][color=red:2aoqvdgz]links which will help people to actually put their faith into action[/color:2aoqvdgz][/b:2aoqvdgz]. Please [b:2aoqvdgz][color=orange:2aoqvdgz]write[/color:2aoqvdgz], [color=blue:2aoqvdgz]sign[/color:2aoqvdgz], [color=violet:2aoqvdgz]vote[/color:2aoqvdgz][/b:2aoqvdgz] now! Thank you for taking the time to read this post.March 19, 2005 at 7:05 pm #3883
Sorry to butt in, but I’m quite confused- I’ve never heard of her before, and I have no clue what’s going on.March 19, 2005 at 7:35 pm #3884
There has been a big to do (in the U.S.) about this woman from Florida. In a nutshell she suffered severe brain damage in 1990 and has been in a permanent vegetative state since then. She can respond to people but doctors have said her brain has the development of a 6-11 month old person. In other words she doesn’t really talk or anything, but she knows when people are around her and can respond in some ways.
She has been on a feeding tube for the last 15 years while in this vegetative state that she will most likely never recover from.
She is married to a man named Michael Schiavo who wants to remove her feeding tube (which will essentially starve her to death) and has stated repeatedly that Terri (before the accident in 1990) had said she would never want to be kept alive on life support. Terri’s parents disagree with that and want to keep her connected to the feeding tube.
There has been court action sicne as early as 1998 when Michael wanted the feeding tube removed and her parents did not. Michael, since he is her husband, is the legal guardian for her.March 19, 2005 at 8:37 pm #3888
Thanks for the explanation.
The perspective on euthanasia in secular society up here is a little different, because the lobby for it is larger and we’re generally a more liberal country, but that does strike me as… I don’t know how to put it. I can’t see how letting someone starve to death over a fortnight is being kind to them. If people are willing to pay for her complete care, and look after her, I don’t think that an unwillingness to watch someone suffer means that they have to be made to stop suffering through whatever means possibleMarch 19, 2005 at 10:24 pm #3890
[quote:15rhef0i]Thanks for the explanation.
The perspective on euthanasia in secular society up here is a little different, because the lobby for it is larger and we’re generally a more liberal country, but that does strike me as… I don’t know how to put it. I can’t see how letting someone starve to death over a fortnight is being kind to them. If people are willing to pay for her complete care, and look after her, I don’t think that an unwillingness to watch someone suffer means that they have to be made to stop suffering through whatever means possible[/quote:15rhef0i]
1) If Terri had [b:15rhef0i]really[/b:15rhef0i] said that she didn’t want a feeding tube (as her husband claims) then why did he allow her to have the feeding tube in the first place?
2) No extraordinary measures is one thing; not allowing the nurses to turn Terri or brush her teeth is another thing. Terri had to have several teeth removed because they had never been brushed and she developed bed sores because she was infrequently washed and turned.
3) Quite a bit of money on the line for a guardianship which was in name only and not in fact. Where were the reports that the husband was supposed to file?
4) And a marriage which was in name only and not in fact, since the husband had taken up with a girlfriend and had two children by her. Obviously a conflict of interest. Why did Judge Greer continue to rule for Terri’s death?
5) Not wanting to see Terri suffer? Or not wanting to inconvenience himself(the husband)?March 20, 2005 at 4:33 pm #3901
Quick question: is Terri’s feeding tube being paid for by public money or private money?March 21, 2005 at 2:29 am #3906
[quote:230vpw3z]Quick question: is Terri’s feeding tube being paid for by public money or private money?[/quote:230vpw3z]
Why do you ask Jon?
I have a question too. Can anyone tell me what Terri’s husband’s religious beliefs are, if any?
I ask because someone on another group said that they saw a picture of an Indian “guru” called Yogananda behind me. For those who may not know who Yogananda is, :” title=”Question” /> you can go to http://www.yogananda.org to learn more.
Ardent ListenerMarch 21, 2005 at 4:19 am #3907
[quote:q8138rf6][quote:q8138rf6]Quick question: is Terri’s feeding tube being paid for by public money or private money?[/quote:q8138rf6]
Why do you ask Jon?[/quote:q8138rf6]
Well, the cost of a feeding tube has got to be somewhat expensive. If it is public money then I think it should be looked into to secure private funds.
I think the use of public money should be maximized. Spending it all on keeping one, vegetative person alive isn’t the best use of public resources whereas if we could use it to feed 10 homeless and hungry people which would enable them to get jobs or secure housing then I find it to be a better investment. Those 10 people could potentially have jobs and then pump more money into the public money system to help even more people (theoretically).
When using public resources we need to think of the best way we can use it to benefit the most people efficiently. For super extreme cases of need (like Terri Schiavo) I think it is best to secure private finances.March 21, 2005 at 6:00 pm #3914March 21, 2005 at 7:52 pm #3915
[b:yewj47lb]For more information about helping Terri Schiavo please see this post: http://www.aboutcatholics.com/community … .php?t=524[/b:yewj47lb]March 22, 2005 at 5:17 am #3921
This was sent to me in an e-mail. I feel it is of worthiness for the conversation here. Please discuss as you see fit.
[quote:v39564gi]Bishop Thomas Wenski[/url]”]On Friday, the feeding tube that provided Terri Schiavo with the normal care of food and water
was withdrawn. Barring last-minute intervention, Terri has now begun to die by starvation. One
can pray that her husband will have a change of heart or that the state of Florida will find
new grounds to intervene so that, in spite of what transpired on Friday, a safer course might
still be taken and that Terri “continue to receive nourishment, comfort and loving care” — as
we Catholic Bishops of Florida have continually advocated.
As Pope John Paul II points out in his just released book, Memory and Identity, the crisis of
our age is rooted in the presumption that we can decide for ourselves what is good and evil
without reference to God. Yet, the Decalogue, while certainly an expression of divine positive
law, is nonetheless more than a religious code: It is a reflection of natural law — of the
law written on the heart of man. In other words, we cannot not know that it is wrong to kill
innocent human life.
That we do nevertheless kill is evidence of the misterium iniquitatis at work in the world;
but, when we do kill, we usually seek by evasions and subterfuges to make up excuses for our
crimes. Thus, we disguise what we do by rationalizations: We don’t abort “babies,” we remove
the “products of conception”; we don’t murder unarmed civilians, we engage in “ethnic
cleansing”; and when we dispatch with a fatal cocktail to the feeble minded it is because such a
life is lebensunwerter Leben (life “unworthy of life”) — as euthanasia was justified in the
Germany of the Third Reich.
In Terri’s case, we can speak of the controversial diagnosis of PVS — persistent vegetative
state. Yet, even while to speak of her as a “vegetable” might give a false reassurance to our
conflicted consciences, she still remains a human being, no less human than Christopher Reeve,
who was kept alive on a respirator until he died late last year of natural causes. No one
begrudged his heroic struggle to live, and we were all edified by his courage and that of his
family who stood by him. Terri, however, is not being kept alive by any machine as was Reeve
for most of his last decade of life. She only needs assistance to be fed. Does the fact that
he could speak and she cannot make it right to deprive her of the ordinary means of human
sustenance? If so, how can any of our seriously ill brethren ever again trust themselves to
sleep while under a doctor’s care?
Some would argue that to remove her feeding tube is simply to let nature take its course. Yet
what is “natural” about starving to death? True, she was fed through a feeding tube — she
depends on others, but so did Christopher Reeve, and so does a newborn baby depend on others
for nutrition and hydration. John Donne said: “No man is an island entire of itself”. As
members of the human race we all are interdependent on each other to one degree or another.
The mark of a civilized society was that the helpless had the greatest claim on our
protection. Now it would seem that they have the least.
And so, Holy Week, the annual remembrance of Jesus’ passion and death, begins with the Passion of Terri Schiavo. Terri’s agony has already begun and, barring some miracle, the denouement of
Terri’s drama will be her death.
This week, in recalling Jesus’ Passover from death to life, we celebrate the fact that the
misterium iniquitatis is overcome through the misterium crucis.
From the cross Jesus cried out, and his cry is echoed today by all those held captive to a
world of pain and sin.
As Terri shares in his passion, she will share in his Resurrection. Like Jesus did, Terri
Schiavo cries out, though with muted voice: “I thirst!”
Thomas Wenski is the bishop of the Diocese of Orlando. He wrote this commentary for the
Orlando Sentinel.[/quote:v39564gi]March 24, 2005 at 5:12 pm #3935
Latest developments show that pretty much every court in the land is denying to hear an appeal. I’m kind of suprised by that and saddened. ” title=”Sad” />March 25, 2005 at 3:33 am #3936
Latest developments show that pretty much every court in the land is denying to hear an appeal. I’m kind of suprised by that and saddened. ” title=”Sad” />[/quote:2dpfz6aa]
I am too Jon, but when you think of it, should we be surprised? The courts have upheld abortions even when they are “partial [b:2dpfz6aa]birth[/b:2dpfz6aa] abortions”.
But like you, I too am saddened.March 27, 2005 at 5:24 am #3956
Sure looks like we are the generation of death rather then life.
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~Victor MesinaMarch 27, 2005 at 3:46 pm #3966
Latest news reports show the parents are ready to pack it in because they’ve tried all the courst and legal measures possbile and have been shot down for each one.
It’s been 9 days since the tube was removed.March 27, 2005 at 8:51 pm #3979
I can not even start to imagine what Terri’s family is going through. I know the past couple of weeks have been very difficult for me and my wife because of this situation. Even when we are not thinking about it, we feel as though something is wrong.
When I was young, I use to hear about the holocaust, the killing of European Jews by the Nazis during World War II, and thought, “How could those people allow such a thing to happen?” A lot of people think of the whole issue as being “political”. I’m a democrate, but right is right and wrong is wrong. I see hard core democrates waiting to see how their party is voting prior to forming an opinion about almost anything. I’m sure it works the other way too, but come on. These are the same people who worry about killing moles in their own back yards! :rolleyes:
Jesus most patient, have mercy on us.
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