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    While I am saddened at (although I do find it just) Ron being banned here, I do hope he continues to read what is posted. As to Biblical Verses that when looked at with prayer and an open heart attest to the Catholic Faith, I’ve cut and pasted the long list below from [url:3ju0uk4k][/url:3ju0uk4k]
    But I would like to petition eveyone here in continuing to pray for Ron’s return to the Church, I’m confident that by the intercession of our Lady, and the prayers of everyone here, he can turn his biblical knowledge into a great tool for the return of others to the Church, once he comes back home.
    With no more editorialization, here are the verses.
    The Church

    Matthew 16:18 – Jesus established and protects His Church
    Matthew 28:20 – Jesus promises to be with His Church always
    John 16:13 – The Holy Spirit guides the Church into all truth
    1 Timothy 3:15 – The Church (not the Bible) is the pillar and foundation of truth
    Matthew 18:17-18 – If someone refuses to listen to the Church cast him out
    Matthew 28:18-20 – The Churches authority is Jesus’ authority
    1 John 4:6 – Anyone who knows God listens to the Church
    Luke 10:16 – He who rejects the Church rejects Christ
    Matthew 16:19 – The Church has power to legislate
    Acts 15:28 – Decisions of the Church are decisions of the Holy Spirit
    Acts 15:6-29 – Apostles and elders settle disputes authoritatively through councils
    Acts 16:4 – People are to observe the decisions of the Apostles and elders
    Acts 1:15-26 – The Apostles choose successors (bishops)
    Titus 1:5 – Bishops appoint presbyters (priests)
    1 Peter 5:5 – Be subject to the elders
    Hebrews 13:17 – “Obey your leaders and submit to them”
    John 10:16 – The Church must be one
    Ephesians 4:4-5 – There is one body, one Lord, one faith and one baptism
    Romans 16:17-18 – Avoid those who create dissensions
    1 Corinthians 1:10 – There must be no divisions among you
    Philippians 2:2 – Be in full accord and of one mind
    John 17:21 – Jesus prayed that we would be one

    Apostolic Succession

    Ephesians 2:19-20 – The Church is built upon the foundation of the Apostles and prophets
    Ephesians 4:11 – That some should be apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers
    Acts 1:23-26 – Matthias is chosen to replace Judas
    Acts 9:26-30 – Paul is approved by the Apostles
    Acts 14:14 – Barnabas is also called an apostle
    Titus 1:5 – Titus performs the duties of an apostle
    1 Timothy 1:3-7 – Timothy is instructed to exercise the authority of an apostle
    1 Timothy 3:1-7 – Qualifications for bishops (successors to the apostles)
    1 Timothy 4:14 – The office of bishop was conferred upon Timothy by the laying on of hands

    The Pope / Infallibility

    John 1:42 – Simon is named Cephas (Peter) which means rock
    1 Corinthians 1:12, 3:22, 9:5, 15:5, Galatians 2:9, 2:11, and 2:14 – Paul refers to Peter as Cephas
    Matthew 16:18 – Jesus builds His Church on Peter the rock
    Matthew 16:19 – Jesus gives Peter the keys of the kingdom, the power to loose and bind
    John 21:15-17 – Jesus entrusts the care of His sheep to Peter
    Luke 22:32 – Jesus tells Peter to strengthen his brethren
    Acts 1:15-26 – Peter presided over the meeting that elected Matthias to replace Judas
    Acts 2:14-42 – Peter preached the first public sermon (Pentecost)
    Acts 3:6-8 – Peter performs the first miracle after Pentecost
    Acts 5:1-11 – Peter inflicts the first punishment (Ananias and Saphira)
    Acts 10:9-16 – It is revealed to Peter that Gentiles can be admitted into the Church
    Acts 10:44-48 – Peter baptizes the first Gentiles
    Matthew 10:2-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13 – Peter is always listed first

    The Bible Alone?

    * 2 Timothy 3:16-17 – Scripture is profitable for teaching, that the man of God may be complete
    Acts 8:26-35 – But guidance is needed to interpret the Scriptures
    1 Timothy 3:15 – The Church (not the Bible) is the pillar and foundation of truth
    Acts 2:42 – Church followed apostolic teaching (no Bibles, printing press not invented yet)
    2 Peter 1:20 – Scripture is not a matter of ones own interpretation
    2 Peter 3:16 – The ignorant and unstable twist Scripture to their own destruction
    Proverbs 3:5 – Do not rely on your own insight


    * Matthew 15:3, Mark 6:8, Mark 7:9, and Colossians 2:8 – Human traditions condemned
    2 Thessalonians 2:15 – Believers commanded to hold fast to Sacred Tradition
    2 Thessalonians 3:6 – Shun those not living according to Sacred Tradition
    1 Corinthians 11:2 – Corinthians commended for maintaining the traditions handed down to them
    Romans 16:17 – Avoid those who are in opposition to the doctrine which you have been taught


    * Romans 1:17 – The just shall live by faith
    Galatians 5:6 – “Faith working through love”
    2 John 6 – Love is following His commandments
    Romans 12:9-13 – “Let love be genuine, hold fast to what is good”
    Acts 16:30-31 – Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved
    John 3:36 – Not obeying is not believing
    Mark 10:17 – “What must I do to be saved?”
    Mark10:19-21 – Obey the commandments
    1 John 2:3-5 – “He who says, ‘I know him’ but disobeys His commandments is a liar”
    Revelation 20:12, 2 Corinthians 5:10, Romans 2:2-8, 1 Peter 1:17 – We are judged by our deeds
    Romans 2:13 – Doers of the law not hearers of the law will be justified
    James 2:14-26 – “Faith without works is dead”
    Matthew 25:31-46 – The saved are those who feed the poor and cloth the naked
    John 14:6 – Jesus is the only way to salvation
    Matthew 25:40 – Reject your neighbor and you reject Jesus
    * Ephesians 2:8-9 – We are saved by grace not our works
    Hebrews 4:15-16 – God gives us grace in time of need, we do nothing on our own
    Romans 1:5 – Jesus provides the grace to bring about the obedience of faith
    1 Corinthians 10:13 – No temptation is too great, grace provides a way out
    1 Corinthians 12:3 – We cannot even say that Jesus is Lord with out grace
    Phillipians 4:13 – We can do anything with Christ (works performed by grace are not our works)
    Matthew 7:21 – [that’s why] Only those who do the will of the Father will enter the kingdom

    Have You Been Saved?

    Ephesians 2:5-8, 2 Timothy 1:9, Titus 3:5-7 – I have been saved
    Phillipians 2:12 – I am being saved
    Matthew 10:22, Matthew 24:13, Titus 3:5-7, Phillipians 3:11-14 – I hope to be saved
    1 Corinthians 9:25-27, Romans 11:22, Hebrews 10:26 – Salvation can be lost
    2 John 8, Hebrews 6:4-8 – Salvation can be lost
    Luke 24:46-47 – Repentance is necessary for salvation
    Romans 2:4 – Even Christians need to repent to be forgiven
    Revelation 2:5 – Even Christians need to repent to be forgiven
    Acts 26:20 – There should be evidence of your repentance
    1 Corinthians 4:2-5 – Paul does not even claim to be saved

    Regenerative Baptism

    John 3:5 – You must be born of water and of Spirit to enter the kingdom
    Acts 2:38 – Repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of your sins
    Titus 3:5 – We are saved by the washing of regeneration
    Acts 22:16 – “Be baptized and wash away your sins”
    Romans 6:4 – “We were baptized into Christ’s death that we might walk in newness of life”
    1 Peter 3:21 – “Baptism now saves you”

    Infant Baptism

    Colossians 2:11-12 – Baptism replaces circumcision
    Genesis 17:12 – Circumcision took place on the eighth day after birth
    Mark 10:14 – Children can receive spiritual benefits
    Luke 18:15 – “Now they were bringing even infants to Him”
    Acts 16:15 – She was baptized with all her household (children?)
    Acts 16:33 – He was baptized with all his family (children?)
    1 Corinthians 1:16 – Paul baptized the household of Stephanus (children?)
    Acts 2:39-39 – Be baptized, “the promise is to you and to your children”

    Sunday Worship

    Colossians 2:14-16 – Christians are not to be judged for not observing the Jewish Sabbath
    Romans 6:14 – Christians are not bound by Jewish ceremonial law
    Galatians 4:9-11 – Paul considers adherence to the Jewish days of observance as possible evidence of straying from the faith
    Acts 20:7 – The disciples met on the first day of the week (Sunday) to break bread (celebrate the Eucharist)
    1 Corinthians 16:2 – The Corinthians collected money for the Church on the first day of the week (Sunday)

    The Mass

    Malachi 1:11 – Foresees a pure sacrifice that takes place among the nations (Jews & Gentiles)
    Matthew 26:26-28 – At the Last Supper Jesus broke the bread and gave it to His disciples
    Acts 2:42 – The early church devoted itself to the Apostles teaching and the breaking of bread
    Acts 2:46 – They attended temple (Liturgy of the Word) and broke bread (Liturgy of the Eucharist)

    Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist

    Exodus 12:8, 46, Leviticus 6:17-19 – Under the Old Covenant the sacrificial lamb was eaten
    1 Corinthians 5:7 – Jesus is the sacrificial lamb of the New Covenant
    John 6:53 – Under the New Covenant the sacrificial lamb must also be eaten
    John 6:35-71 – The Eucharist is promised
    John 6:35, 48, 51 – Jesus says, “I am the Bread of Life”
    John 6:51, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57 – Jesus says, “The bread which I give is my flesh”
    John 6:66 – Jesus disciples took him literally and He didn’t correct them
    Isaiah 9:20 – To symbolically eat ones flesh meant to do harm
    Isaiah 49:26 – To symbolically eat ones flesh meant to do harm
    Micah 3:3 – To symbolically eat ones flesh meant to do harm
    Matthew 26:26-28 – The Eucharist is instituted, “This is my body this is my blood”
    1 Corinthians 10:16 – The bread and wine are a participation in the body and blood of Christ
    1 Corinthians 11:23-26 – This is my body this is my blood
    1 Corinthians 11:27-29 – Receiving unworthily is profaning the body and blood of the Lord

    Confession / Reconciliation

    Mark 2:5 – Jesus forgives sins
    John 20:21 – Jesus says: “As I have been sent so I send you”
    2 Corinthians 5:18 – Christ gave us the ministry of reconciliation
    John 20:23 – If you (the apostles and their successors) forgive the sins of any they are forgiven
    John 20:23 – If you (the apostles and their successors) retain the sins of any they are retained
    Romans 2:4 – “Do you not know that God’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance?”
    Acts 3:19 – Repentance needed for forgiveness
    Matthew 6:15 – Believers may not retain the sins of anyone


    Numbers 20:12 – Moses and Aaron, though forgiven, are still punished
    2 Samuel 12:13-14 – David, though forgiven, is still punished
    1 John 5:16-17 – There is sin that is not deadly
    Revelation 21:27 – Nothing unclean shall enter heaven
    Hebrews 12:23 – All in heaven have been made perfect
    Matthew 12:36 – “On judgment day men will account for every careless word they utter”
    Matthew 18:23-35 – In the kingdom of heaven you will remain in prison until your debt is paid
    1 Corinthians 3:11-15 – Fire will test each ones work. He will be saved but only as through fire
    Luke 12:41-48 – There are different degrees of punishment after death
    2 Maccabees 12:42-45 – He prayed for the dead that they might be freed from their sin
    2 Timothy 1:16-18 – Paul prays for his dead friend Onesiphorus

    Praying to Saints

    * Deuteronomy 18:10-11 – Critics liken praying to saints to divination
    1 Samuel 28:3-14 – Divination is conjuring information from the dead (not asking for their prayers)
    * 1 Timothy 2:5 – “There is one Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus”
    Hebrews 9:15 – Specifically: “He [Jesus] is the mediator of a new covenant” (when someone prays for you they are not mediating a new covenant)
    1 Corinthians 12:13 – “We were all baptized into one body”
    Romans 12:5 – We are one body and individually members of one another
    Colossians 1:18 – Christ is the head of the body
    Romans 8:35-39 – Death cannot separate us from Christ (or the rest of the body either)
    1 Corinthians 12:26 – If one suffers all suffer
    Galatians 6:2 – We are to bear one another’s burdens
    James 5:16 – We are to pray for one another
    James 5:16 – The prayer of the righteous has great power
    Luke 15:7 – Those in heaven (very righteous) care for us
    Revelation 4:8 – Those in heaven pray constantly
    Matthew 18:10 – The angels pray for us
    Revelation 5:8 – The angels and saints present our prayers to God
    Revelation 8:3-4 – The angels add their prayers to ours and present them to God
    Tobit 12:12 – An angel presented Tobit and Sarah’s prayer to God
    2 Maccabees 15:11-14 – The deceased Onias and Jeremiah pray for Israel

    Mary Ever-Virgin

    * Matthew 1:25 – Joseph knew her not until she had born a son
    Luke 1:80 – The word until in Greek does not imply that anything happened after the fact
    Matthew 13:55 – “Are not His [Jesus] brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?”
    Matthew 27:56 – Mary the mother of James and Joseph is also –
    John 19:25 – Mary the wife of Clopas (not Joseph)
    Matthew 28:10 – Jesus said, “Tell my brethren to go to Galilee and there they will see me”
    Matthew 28:16 – “The eleven disciples went to Galilee” (Are they His siblings too?)
    Mark 6:3 – Jesus is the son of Mary not a son of Mary
    John 19:26-27 – Jesus entrusted the care of His mother to the apostle John as He had no siblings

    The Immaculate Conception

    Genesis 3:15 – Enmity between Satan and Mary (if she sinned there would be no enmity)
    * Romans 3:23 – All have sinned (Paul is saying there is no advantage for Jew or Gentile)
    Luke 1:28 – “Hail full of grace,” in Greek indicates something that was completed in the past
    * Luke 1:47 – “My spirit rejoices in God my savior” (Jesus saved Mary by preserving her from sin)

    The Assumption

    2 Kings 2:1-13 – Elijah is assumed into heaven
    Hebrews 11:5 – Enoch is assumed into heaven
    John 5:28-29 – All of the righteous will be assumed into heaven

    The Mother of God

    Luke 1:43 – Elizabeth calls her “The mother of my Lord” Jesus is Lord because He is God

    Statues and Images

    * Exodus 20:4-5 – “You shall not make a graven image;you shall not bow down and serve them”
    Exodus 25:18 – “And you shall make two cherubim of gold (for the Ark of the Covenant)”
    Exodus 26:1 – The curtains around the ark have cherubim on them
    Exodus 26:31 – The linen veil had cherubim placed on it
    Numbers 21:8-9 – The Lord tells Moses to make the bronze serpent (did He forget Exodus 20?)
    1 Kings 6:23 – By God’s design the temple had engraved cherubim
    1 Kings 6:35 – Doors in the temple had Cherubim, flowers and palm trees carved on them
    1 Kings 7:25-45 – By God’s design the temple had bronze oxen and lions


    2 Kings 13:20-21 – A dead man comes to life after touching the bones of Elisha
    Matthew 9:20-22 – A woman is cured by touching Jesus’ garment
    Acts 19:11-12 – People were healed by handkerchiefs or aprons that touched Paul

    Holy Medals and Scapulars

    Numbers 15:37-40 – The Israelites wore reminders of God

    The Trinity

    Genesis 18:1-2 – “And the Lord appeared to him;he beheld three men”
    Genesis 1:26-27 – God says: “Let us make man in our image;God made man in His image”
    Matthew 28:19 – “Baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”
    2 Corinthians 13:14 – “The grace of Jesus, the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit”

    Jesus is God

    Isaiah 9:6 – Prophecy concerning Jesus: “He will be called;Mighty God”
    John 1:1 – Jesus is the Word and the Word is God
    John 8:58 – Jesus claims to be the great “I Am” (God, Exodus 3:14)
    John 10:30-33 – Jesus said: “The Father and I are one”
    John 10:38 – Jesus said: “I am in the Father and the Father is in me”
    John 14:9 – Jesus said: “He who has seen me has seen the Father”
    John 20:28 – Jesus accepts Thomas calling Him “My Lord and my God”
    Colossians 2:9 – “In Him [Jesus} dwells the fullness of deity”
    Titus 2:13 – “Awaiting our great God and Savior Jesus Christ”

    The Holy Spirit is God

    Acts 5:3-4 – Lying to the Holy Spirit is lying to God
    2 Corinthians 3:17-18 – “The Lord is the Spirit”

    The Holy Spirit is a Person Not a Force

    John 14:26 – The Holy Spirit will teach you all things
    Acts 8:29 – “And the Spirit said to Philip”
    Acts 13:2 – “The Holy Spirit said, ‘Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul'”
    Romans 8:27 – “The Spirit intercedes for the saints”
    1 Corinthians 2:11 – “No one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit”
    1 Corinthians 12:11 – “The Spirit apportions to each one as He wills”
    Ephesians 4:30 – “Do not grieve the Holy Spirit”


    Acts 8:14-17 – Peter and John pray for baptized Samaritans to receive the Holy Spirit
    Acts 19:5-6 – Paul lays hands on those already baptized and they receive the Holy Spirit

    Holy Orders

    Luke 22:17-19 – Jesus institutes the priesthood at the Last Supper
    John 20:22 – The Apostles are given the authority to forgive sin
    Titus 1:5 – Bishops appoint presbyters (priests)
    Acts 6:2-6 – The first deacons are ordained
    Acts 14:23 – Paul and Barnabas appoint elders for the churches at Derbe
    Titus 1:5 – Titus, a bishop, is to appoint presbyters (priests) in every town


    * 1 Timothy 4:1-3 – Forbidding marriage is a doctrine of demons
    Ephesians 5:21-33 – Marriage is good, a symbol of Christ and His Church
    Matthew 19:12 – Jesus praises celibacy
    1 Corinthians 7:8 – The apostle Paul was celibate
    1 Corinthians 7:32-35 Celibacy is recommended for those in ministry

    Anointing of the Sick

    Mark 6:13 – The Apostles anointed the sick with oil and healed them
    James 5:14-15 – The presbyters (priests) pray over and anoint the sick with oil


    Mark 7:21-23 – Fornication is called evil
    1 Corinthians 6:18 – Flee fornication, it is a sin against your body
    1 Corinthians 6:19 – Your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit. You are not your own
    1 Corinthians 6:20 – You were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body
    1 Thessalonians 4:3 – Abstain from fornication, control your body in holiness not in lust
    1 Corinthians 7:1 – It is well for a man not to touch a woman
    1 Corinthians 7:2 – Because of the temptation to immorality each man should have his own wife
    1 Corinthians 7:2 – And each woman her own husband
    Galatians 5:19-21 – Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity…those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God
    Ephesians 5:5 – No fornicator has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God
    Revelation 22:15 – Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and fornicators and murderers ;
    Colossians 3:5-6 – Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: fornication, impurity…


    Matthew 19:5 – A man leaves his father and mother to be joined to his wife
    Matthew 19:6 – What God has joined together let no man put asunder
    Ephesians 5:21-33 – Marriage is an image of the relationship between Christ and His Church

    Artificial Birth Control

    Genesis 1:28 – Adam and Eve told by God to be fruitful and multiply
    Genesis 38:9-10 – Onan killed for spilling his seed on the ground
    Deuteronomy 25:5-10 – Penalty for defying the Leverite law was not death
    Galatians 5:20 – The word sorcery, pharmekeia in Greek, refers to abortifacient potions

    Divorce and Remarriage

    Malachi 2:14-16 – “For I hate divorce says the Lord”
    Matthew 5:31-32 – “Whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery”
    Matthew 19:9 – Whoever divorces and marries another commits adultery
    Mark 10:10-12 – Whoever divorces and marries another commits adultery
    Luke 16:18 – Divorce and remarriage is adultery
    Romans 7:2-3 – A woman is bound to her husband for life. If she lives with another it’s adultery
    1 Corinthians 7:10-11 – When divorce is necessary remain single or reconcile


    Genesis 2:18 – It is not good that man should be alone
    Genesis 2:18 – I will make him a helper fit for him
    Genesis 1:27 – Male and female He created them
    Genesis 1:28 – He said to them: “Be fruitful and multiply”
    Genesis 2:24 – Therefore a man leaves his father and mother and cleaves to his wife
    Leviticus 18:22 – You shall not lie with a male as with a woman, it is an abomination
    Romans 1:27 – Homosexuality called unnatural and shameless
    1 Corinthians 6:9 – Practicing homosexuals will not go to heaven
    Matthew 25:31-45 – Jesus is the one who will judge (that is not the job of believers)
    Matthew 19:19 – You shall love your neighbor as yourself (homosexuals are your neighbors)

    The Rapture

    * 1 Thessalonians 4:17 – We shall be caught up together in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air
    * Matthew 24:40 – Two men will be in the field; one is taken and one is left
    Matthew 24:47 – One man is rewarded (salvation)
    Matthew 24:51 – The other is punished (hell) (that leaves no one on earth)
    1 Thessalonians 4:15 – Jesus is coming back once more (not twice for a rapture and judgment)
    Acts 3:20-21 – Jesus must stay in heaven until that time
    Acts 1:11 – When He returns He will be coming all the way down to the earth (not hover above it)
    Matthew 25:31-45 – When He comes He will come to judge the living and the dead
    Matthew 25:46 – Some go to eternal punishment, some to eternal life (no one left on earth)

    * Denotes a verse that is used in opposition to Catholic teaching

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    I’ve seen more assaults both here and elsewhere by a number of “ex” Catholics who have thrown up the same old disproved arguments against the Church. While some of them have crumbled and returned to the Church, others have proven more dug in with the brainwashing they have received against the Church since leaving it. To this point, I have had the replies from my Catholic education both in college and by my own reading. I also have a number of books as resources, however both of these have proven to be less useful than in the past as many now use the computer to communicate. In doing a search I have found this handy, free downloadable source of good Catholic information. It is most helpful when dealing with Evangelical Protestants who don’t want to even discuss any of the historical facts about the Apostles and Early Church, as they have been told if it is not in the Bible it is suspect or a lie. While they may still balk at some of the unchanging interpretaions of the Sacred Scriptures which Protestant revolutionaries invented in the 16th Century and later, this is a valuable resource.

    Download, read, and pray for those souls who have been led away from our Lord and the Church He founded.


    Read over the rest of the website. Do however take to heart that neither this website nor I have 100% of the answers, nor do either of us speak with ultimate authority, it is the Church of Christ, the Catholic Church that has the authority that Christ gave her that is the ultimate authority on earth. What the web page or I have to say is of any authority only when it is accord with the Church.

    Pray for me.



    [quote:yflim9eo]What the web page or I have to say is of any authority only when it is accord with the Church.[/quote:yflim9eo]

    Very well put.
    That is our Faith.

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