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April 3, 2006 at 12:05 am #1188AnonymousInactive
:rolleyes:
Celibacy of PriestsUntil Christ came along (Mt 19:12), and then Paul (1 Cor. 7:32-35),
the only state of life known was marriage. The rabbis taught that a
man was only half a man if he wasn’t married by 20. But even in the
Old Testament some of the prophets, like Elijah and Jeremiah, chose
celibacy. By Jesus’ time the great rabbis spoke of the possibility
of “marrying Torah,” that is, dedicating their whole life to the
study of the Word. Paul was one who did, both before and after his
conversion. Jesus is, of course, THE WORD, and infinitely more
deserving of total dedication than the written word.It should not be surprising, therefore, that Jesus should speak of
some who would remain celibate (“eunuchs”) for the sake of the
Kingdom of God (Mt 19:12). St. Paul not only continued his pre-
conversion celibacy as a Christian but recommended it for those who
would be dedicated to serving God in this world (1 Cor. 7:7, 17, 32-
35). He was speaking to a general audience and so he does not oblige
it. But observe what he says in verse 17, “Only, everyone should
live as the Lord has assigned, just as God called each one. I give
this order in all the churches.” This coincides with the admonition
of Jesus to follow the vocation given by God, whether celibacy (Mt
19:12) or marriage (v.11).Now Jesus said that if one could accept celibacy for the sake of the
Kingdom one should and Paul says it is the best way for those
dedicated to the Kingdom, and BOTH of them lived this total
dedication to the will of the Father for the salvation of souls.
Given the mentality of the world, both Jewish and Pagan, it was
impossible at the beginning to find mature candidates for the
priesthood who were not already married. Only with the arrival of a
generally Christian milieu, where virginity and celibacy were
honored into adult life, would celibate candidates for Holy Orders
be generally available. Not surprisingly, then, the Church discerned
with time that the gift of celibacy from God (who alone can give
such a gift), together with the desire to serve God and His people,
was an indication of a vocation to the priesthood. THIS has not
always and everywhere been imposed in the Church, but almost
immediately in Church history we find it recommended and even
required in some places. Although Latin Rite Catholic priests for
the last 1000 years have had to be celibate, Eastern Rite Catholic
priests and priests of the Orthodox Churches (not in union with
Rome) do not. However, ALL bishops in both the Catholic and Orthodox
Churches MUST be celibates. They represent Christ to the people in
their dioceses and Christ’s bride is the Church (Eph 5:21-33) not
someone else. So, it is entirely fitting that bishops not marry EVER
and that priests not marry either, though in some traditions it is
allowed PRIOR to ordination.The fact that the apostles were married says nothing about the
practice, since they were Jewish and followed the practices of their
day, until Christ came along. Tradition affirms that they remained
celibates after they followed Christ.With the grace of Redemption came the possibility of celibacy and
virginity for the sake of the Kingdom of God for more than the
privileged few. It is a total gift of self to the Lord, fitting for
those whose vocation is dedicated to love and service of God and
neighbor. Unfortunately, it is something the worldly who do not
understand the power of God have difficulty accepting, then as now.April 3, 2006 at 12:35 am #5873AnonymousInactiveMy answer is yes.
April 3, 2006 at 1:46 am #5880About Catholics TeamKeymasterYou know, this is an interesting topic because the priests in the Eastern rites do, but inthe Latin rite they do not (with the exceptions already noted above).
Why the difference? Why not allow marriage for all or ban marriage for all?
April 3, 2006 at 8:45 pm #5886AnonymousInactiveI would think varying social, financial, cultural, aspects would affect a priest. Since they differ in the East, that may be a factor to think about. But I’m not really sure these play any impact in todays world anymore.
Good topic weather..April 3, 2006 at 9:32 pm #5893AnonymousInactive:rolleyes:
The question I have is if priests were allowed to marry and each had about 5 or 6 kids(no birth control of course)were would the archdiocese’s house them?Would it be a great money burden on the church?Just a thought.April 4, 2006 at 4:01 am #5902About Catholics TeamKeymaster[quote:1kzfyivt]:rolleyes:
The question I have is if priests were allowed to marry and each had about 5 or 6 kids(no birth control of course)were would the archdiocese’s house them?Would it be a great money burden on the church?Just a thought.[/quote:1kzfyivt]
Priests are paid a salary…they can manage their families just like the rest of the population. Why is it the responsibility of the Church at large to take care of them?April 4, 2006 at 5:45 pm #5910AnonymousInactive[quote:1qvfu1fm]Priests are paid a salary…they can manage their families just like the rest of the population. Why is it the responsibility of the Church at large to take care of them?[/quote:1qvfu1fm]
Don’t we take care of preist already? How do they get their salary?
April 4, 2006 at 5:49 pm #5911About Catholics TeamKeymaster[quote:ruon5ops][quote:ruon5ops]Priests are paid a salary…they can manage their families just like the rest of the population. Why is it the responsibility of the Church at large to take care of them?[/quote:ruon5ops]
Don’t we take care of preist already? How do they get their salary?[/quote:ruon5ops]
Many priests get their bills paid for by their parish and a stipend of some nature. Weather makes it sound like the larger the family a priest has the more money the church will have to shell out for this priest’s family. However, this isn’t the case with any other worker in the world – if I wanted to have 6 kids my pay wouldn’t increase because of it.So, what I am saying is that priests would have to manage their families just like everyone else – with the money they are paid.
I’ll even propose that the parishes stop paying the bills and priests get a normal ministers salary to live on.
April 4, 2006 at 6:53 pm #5912AnonymousInactive[quote:140pgrwy]
Don’t we take care of preist already? How do they get their salary?
Many priests get their bills paid for by their parish and a stipend of some nature. Weather makes it sound like the larger the family a priest has the more money the church will have to shell out for this priest’s family. However, this isn’t the case with any other worker in the world – if I wanted to have 6 kids my pay wouldn’t increase because of it.So, what I am saying is that priests would have to manage their families just like everyone else – with the money they are paid.
I’ll even propose that the parishes stop paying the bills and priests get a normal ministers salary to live on.[/quote:140pgrwy]
That is a good point Jon. Do you think all these new tasks would make a difference in the priests priorities, focus, and so on?
I mean, both Eastern Orthodox and Protestants have married pastors and [b:140pgrwy]some [/b:140pgrwy] seem to do just fine. But I would have to say that life as a Catholic priest in the US is a bit more complicated.
For example,
A priest in Africa doesn’t have to worry about finding a company to work on the audio system of the Church. Or find someone that will network the computers. And I’m sure you get the gist of what I’m talking about.
Granted, that the priest in our parish probably has people helping him do that but he is still a project manager overlooking that things are getting done. This is added responsibilities on top of being married and being a dad.April 4, 2006 at 7:08 pm #5914About Catholics TeamKeymasterAre those responsibilites much different from being the vice president of a corporation?
April 4, 2006 at 7:45 pm #5916AnonymousInactive[quote:30yq7q0q]Are those responsibilites much different from being the vice president of a corporation?[/quote:30yq7q0q]
Perhaps not, but the vice president of the corporation isn’t trying to get people to heaven and the impact of either of them making an error doesn’t compare IMO.
Are vice presidents in other countries any different in your opinion?
April 4, 2006 at 7:53 pm #5917About Catholics TeamKeymasterWhat do other countries have to do with this? I’m not clear what you are asking about vice-prez’s of other countries.
I was talking about private corporations.
April 4, 2006 at 8:06 pm #5919AnonymousInactive[quote:74bq6ktq]What do other countries have to do with this? I’m not clear what you are asking about vice-prez’s of other countries.
I was talking about private corporations.[/quote:74bq6ktq]
Nevermind. I was attempting to show that a vice prez in a poverished country would in fact have less responsibilities then one that is in a wealthier country. I suppose that isn’t a good example so nevermind.
April 4, 2006 at 9:08 pm #5920AnonymousInactiveI would say no because Jesus was never married.
April 7, 2006 at 3:16 am #5937AnonymousInactiveBut Peter was.
For clarity, married men may join the priesthood in the Eastern Rites but priests may not marry. And Eastern Rite bishops must be celibate (they are not chosen from among married priests).
April 7, 2006 at 5:57 pm #5942AnonymousInactive[quote:4mqg3upy]But Peter was.
For clarity, married men may join the priesthood in the Eastern Rites but priests may not marry. And Eastern Rite bishops must be celibate (they are not chosen from among married priests).[/quote:4mqg3upy]
Isn’t this true of the West as well?
April 7, 2006 at 7:53 pm #5943AnonymousInactiveIn a very limited fashion. In the West, a married man can receive dispensation (my word, not necessarily the accurate word) to join the priesthood.
This has been reserved, so far, only to clergy from another church converting to Catholicism (most particularly Anglicans).
April 7, 2006 at 8:41 pm #5944AnonymousInactive[quote:163vt2rd]In a very limited fashion. In the West, a married man can receive dispensation (my word, not necessarily the accurate word) to join the priesthood.
This has been reserved, so far, only to clergy from another church converting to Catholicism (most particularly Anglicans).[/quote:163vt2rd]
Whereas in the East it was open to all faiths, not just Anglicans? :” title=”Question” />
I don’t get it. ” title=”Neutral” />April 7, 2006 at 10:44 pm #5945AnonymousInactiveIn the West, you need special permission to become a priest if you are married because the Latin Church has ruled that it will only ordain celibate men. This special permission is typically only given to clerical converts from other closely-Catholic Christian sects (i.e. your average Baptist pastor would likely not be granted this permission).
In the East, you do not need special permission. While celibacy is seen as the preferred state for a priest, there is no rule against the ordination of married Catholic men.
April 7, 2006 at 11:03 pm #5946AnonymousInactive[quote:329m67f1]In the West, you need special permission to become a priest if you are married because the Latin Church has ruled that it will only ordain celibate men. This special permission is typically only given to clerical converts from other closely-Catholic Christian sects (i.e. your average Baptist pastor would likely not be granted this permission).
In the East, you do not need special permission. While celibacy is seen as the preferred state for a priest, there is no rule against the ordination of married Catholic men.[/quote:329m67f1]
Ah gotcha…..thanks. ” title=”Smile” />
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