- October 6, 2011 at 6:32 pm #2070
Hello, I am trying to learn more about Catholicism and am very interested in what anyone could tell me, some things I want to know are:
1) Anything about the history of the Catholic church
2) What makes being a Catholic so appealing?
3) How does the hierarchy of the Catholic church work?
4) Anything else that you feel is worth knowing
Thank you!October 7, 2011 at 8:50 pm #10118
Hello rmn…. Im new to this chat aswell . After the basic understanding and what I saw from attending catholic churches I decided to focuse my worship through christian churches… Ive recently started to study more of the catholic church and by doing so makes me even more proud of what I stand for.
First off: The only difference between the holy bible and a catholic bible is that the catholic bible contains extra stories in the old testament. From what I learned somewhere along the line of Protestatism decided that theyd keep the same new testament but the shorter hebrew version of the old testament…. regardless the new testament is the most important anyways. Another difference is the ten commandments.
1. I, the Lord, am your God. You shall not have other gods besides me.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord God in vain
3. Remember to keep holy the Lord’s Day
4. Honor your father and your mother
5. You shall not kill
6. You shall not commit adultery
7. You shall not steal
8. You shall not bear false witness
9. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife
10. You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods
1.You shall have no other gods before me.
2.You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
3.You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
4.Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
5.Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
6.You shall not murder.
7.You shall not commit adultery.
8.You shall not steal.
9.You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10.You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
the Ten Commandments as changed by the Roman Catholic Church. They believe that their authority stands above the Word of God and that they can change God’s times and laws and God will prescribe to their changes. You will note that they deleted the second Commandment and changed God’s Sabbath to Sunday and split the tenth Commandment into two to get back to Ten Commandments.
The catholic church says the the church was founded by Jesus Christ with Peter. There is no narrative of peter being consecrated by jesus and then by peter travelling to rome to find a church their…. but their is proof that jesus told his deciples to continue his work.
In the book of acts it claims the jewish christian couple priscilla and aquila had recently come from rome to corinth in AD50 when Paul reached Corinth indicating that christianity in rome came before paul.
The church of rome was already flourished when paul wrote to Corinth. He greets people in Rome by name in romans 16 but not Peter which he knew. Strange right?
There wasnt even any mention of peter in rome later during pauls 2 year stay there in acts 28 AD60-62. Then in AD64 church historians believe that paul and peter suffered persecution under the reign of Nero after the great fire of rome.
There is no evidence scriptually, historically, or chronologically that peter was in fact the bishop of rome. Saitn Irenaeus who came to romen empire (he was a early church father and apologist) does not say that either peter or paul was bishop of rome. Historians even question weather peter would have even spent much time in rome before his death. Irenaeus writings were formative of christian theology. He listened to Polycarp who was a deciple of John the evangelist. Polycarp was a 2nd century bishop burned at the stake then stabbed when the fire failed to touch him. Anyways the other point is that Peter saw himself as a apostle of the Jews while Paul was the apostle of the gentiles. Therefore peter never saw a reason to go to rome since he saw his calling to be witness to the people of jeruselm and jews in surrounding areas. so rome would have been for paul .
So after all this slowly There became a seperation and therefore chirstianity began to grow.. i wont go into furthur detail for their is alot of info on that but you can search that up youself.
“The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, Himself, hidden under the veil of human flesh.” — Catholic National, July 1895.
This was something that was said in the catholic national… the reason i put this is because the catholic church swears they have a authority to create rules and regulations apart from the scripture.
The catechism of the catholic church is a summary of the basic teachings of the roman catholic church. This was made by man NOT GOD. for the holy scared scripture ended with revelation and god told the apostle to write this in a book and SEAL IT. the catechism was approved by pop john paul the second in 1992… the latest print was in 2000.
Now the eucharist and the seven sacraments hold the churchs tradition. and of course the rosary in which they pray the hail mary (unscriptual)… prayer to the saints (unscriptual), and eucharist adoration.
They believe that god entrusted them with the 7 sacraments ( baptism for babies, conformation, eucharist, petnance, annointing of the sick, holy orders, and holy matrimony) and their must be adequet preperation before recieving each one.
The eucharist part of the mass which every member HAS to come to less they are sinning… is the tradition of the eating of the body of christ in which the priest transform the bread into the body of christ through transubstatiation. A theory say that their is chage to the inner although their is external evidence to the contrary. Scientist ruled this theory out but catholic decided to keep it. so this bread now is the body of christ and is worshiped and eaten. A priest said that this tradition is infact the sacrafice of jesus on the calvary .. not a serperate one from what he did on the cross but the same one.
They also believe that their is a middle part in hell where dead relatives whom were blessed before death still have a chance to save themselves with the help of us on earth through the prayer for the dead. There they pay for their sins.
What makes catholic so appealing?? WHO KNOWS. lol.. maybe if the fancy get up…maybe it the pope in which people adore…maybe its the fact that they say priest and bishops are unfallable… that god gives them a devine supernatural knowledge in which they cant make a mistake when anwering a religious question. Maybe its the fact that the catholic church forbids you to make interpetations of the bible alone and that if you have a question of a verse you must come to them… for the lazt this is good they never have to study the word. maybe they feel good when they confess there sins to the father…but why do this when you can go DIRECTLY TO GOD HIMSELF.
WANT to learn about christianity ? … read my post in the section anything other than catholics … then click on the post that says faith alone by weather and of course my name is yarelis
when you learn well about both religions and even more so ALL religions you will soon know the truth. Its clearly visible to all who have eyes.
SEE THE VIDEO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MR6EpDhi2YOctober 28, 2011 at 8:26 pm #10127
I would suggest if you live in or near a major city, a Catholic bookstore is the place to visit. A Catechisim would be a good place to start and the store can make recommendations.
If you are asking the question on why the appeal, I think the comfort and the enduring nature of the Church is my appeal — but it would differ for each person. Also the structure.
As for hierarachy, that might be a rather long explanation because the Church is a huge organization. The Pope is the absolute head of the Church. On questions of faith, he is infallible. There are levels of hierarchy below the Pope — starting with the Holy See (or the Cardinals).
There are many official sites which explain that the Church is divided into what’s called Archdioceses, headed by an Archbishop (who may or may not be a Cardinal) and then dioceses headed by a Bishop. There are holy orders and religious orders. This is a very brief explanation.
I think if you are interested in knowing more, you might want to pursue this through some official readings from an official Catholic bookstore.October 29, 2011 at 4:05 am #10129
You’ve tipped your hand as a follower of Ellen G White. Since the Church she started a bit over 100 years ago, with it’s emphasis on Anti-Catholic distortions and outright lies, rewriting of history to the faulty scriptural interpretation gives you little credibility.
First, the New Testament was formed and the books that are in the Catholic Bible are the same as the Protestant Bible because a Council of the Catholic Church decided which would be included in the NT. You see the Bible OT and NT was determined by a Council of the Catholic Church and only later did Protestants edit the Bible to follow their new religion, and re-constructed Jesus.
As for the numbering of the Ten Commandments, you’ve been tricked into believing that the Catholic Church has omitted the command about not bowing before idols, but untrustworthy sources that you have used have again led you down the wrong path believing something that is not true.
Sadly I could go on and on about all the misconceptions you’ve been fed about the teachings of the Catholic Church. But I don’t think at this time you could objectivly listen, as you’ve apparently placed more faith in the writers of these falshoods you have in hearing the truth.October 29, 2011 at 6:43 pm #10133
Interesting. Though R.C. raised and educated, I consider myself a neophyte when it comes to the books of the Bible.
In any case, I would like to reiterate that anyone search for information on Catholicism use official sites and official readings. The OP wants to know about Catholicism.
While the Church has a long and colorful history, there’s a lot of information out there that is subject to interpretation and reinterpretation. I would suggest avoiding this type of research if the OP truly wants to find out about the Church.
This is not to deny that people have had differing views and interpretations over time (and some have been made into wonderful mystery books), I really would stick with official Church teachings and writings since the OP seems to be seriously interested in the Church.October 31, 2011 at 2:29 am #10147
Regarding Yarelis link to the video, I’ve seen it and others before. It’s a mix of folks and quite skillfully edited to misrepresent Catholic Teaching.
Once again, the Protestants, including former Catholic Clergy and Religious in the film are making statements here that disregard Catholic teaching and replace it with a parody of Catholic Teaching.
No Catholic who knows his or her faith believes that we can “work ourselves into heaven.” or that we don’t need Jesus and His work on the Cross for our Salvation. No Catholic who knows his faith believes that Jesus or the Saints are superior to Jesus. No Catholic who knows his faith believes that in the Mass that Jesus is re-sacrificed. However these folks repeat the same anti-Catholic lies, and make a good living making their rounds “exposing” the Catholic Church. They pander to the same groups who have been told falsehoods (contrary to the Command to not bar false witness.) which have been disproved over and over.October 31, 2011 at 4:38 pm #10149
I would have been curious to see the video, but it has been removed from You Tube. No matter; probably best taken down.
I would not refer anyone to get religious instruction from You Tube, in any case. Which is why I stated that the OP only use official readings approved by the Church. The OP had a lot of questions about Catholicism (not Christianity in general) which could not be answered in a forum because of time and space alone. I’m lucky, I work near this store.
I wonder at the need to parody and misrepresent another religion. I find that Catholics are afforded no deference.
I do not feel compelled to parody or misrepresent other religions for my own purpose. However, there does seem to be a “field day” with Catholics. Though some of this was “old news”, where was the outcry over the artwork which was of a Crucifix in a glass of urine, or the Madonna painted and displayed here in NY which was painted with dung? Rather the press made more want to see the Madonna “painting.” I sometimes see “open season” on Catholics and we should be objecting more.
None of this would go over if it were a parody or misrepresentation of another religion. I think the outcry if Jewish religious articles were placed in urine would be heard around the world — and no museum on this earth would dare show it — rightly so and free expression aside. I accept the line drawn by the Court at “time, place and manner.”October 31, 2011 at 6:04 pm #10150
I am sorry I did not pay better attention to Yarelis’ earlier post. It has made me want to research some things. This is what I find on whether or not Peter even went to Rome and whether he was the first Pope. To me, if it’s in scripture that Jesus stated he would build his Church upon Peter, that says it all to me.
It seems meaningless whether or not, as head of the Church, Peter ever made it to Rome. He still could be Head of the Church and the First Pope.
But I found this most interesting in the topic. It seems that archeological evidence exists to support that Peter died in Rome.
I think what Yarelis misses is that for centuries, The Church was the only central authority in Europe. There were no countries, kings or central authorities in Europe — other then the Church for centuries. The Church conducted all aspects of life in a Village and everything centered around the Church. Only the Church could perform marriage, you took oaths at Church, the Church was the law or civil authority as well and settled disputes, and the Church was the socio-economic institution of a village.
Later, as villages grew into cities and borders came into being, countries and princes and kings also come on the scene as society grew — but the Church was still the main governing authority or power, and Kings feared retribution by the Church or jockeyed for favor with the Church — it’s power was that great – greater than Kings.
I would suggest that the Protestant sects, post 1517, could have just as easily re-wrote the commandments (though there were earlier attempts to translate the Bible in the vernacular more than a century before Luther), rather than the Church has altered the commandments.
After Luther, in a short number of years, Protestant sects were coming into existence quickly. Even King Henry VIII authorized a Great Bible when he, too, formed the Church of England. This is not a chicken/egg argument — which came first?
Matthew 16:18 And I say to thee: “That thou art Peter; and upon this rock [u:zccxczdp]I will build my church[/u:zccxczdp], and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”
As for the Mass being a sacrifice, Luke 22:19; 1 Corinthians 11:24, 25 says: “Do this in [u:zccxczdp]rememberance[/u:zccxczdp] of me.” The Greek word is [i:zccxczdp]anamnesis[/i:zccxczdp] which means remembering or recollection, not sacrifice or re-sacrifice.
Jesus Christ performed ONE eternal sacrifice when he officiated at the Last Supper and was then Crucified. It’s my understanding that we particpate in that one eternal sacrifice when we attend Mass and receive the Eucharist.January 30, 2012 at 11:05 pm #10280
JoxiosMember"Yarelis":15t5rjyl wrote:[quote:15t5rjyl]Hello rmn…. Im new to this chat aswell . After the basic understanding and what I saw from attending catholic churches I decided to focuse my worship through christian churches… Ive recently started to study more of the catholic church and by doing so makes me even more proud of what I stand for.[/quote:15t5rjyl]
Please study what the RCC teaches and not what anti Catholics teach you about it. You want to know? Get it from the source then decide what to believe. the original poster is asking for truthful information, you have not backed one item with any references to actual Catholic teaching, i.e. show us where we say that! I’d love to see it!
Yes Peter was in Rome, In fact they have found He’s tomb 300 feet underneath the High Altar at the Basilica In Rome, thanks to Modern archeology the dig began in the 1940’s and it wasn’t found til the early 1960’s.
Here is sound archeological evidence:
Don’t believe in the office of One Man in Authority over the whole community?
Let me show you what your pastor won’t, a biblical precedent for the office of the Head Shepherd:
From the good ole KJV,
Num 27:15-17 And [b:15t5rjyl]Moses spake[/b:15t5rjyl] unto the LORD, saying,
[b:15t5rjyl]Let the LORD, the God of the spirits of all flesh, set a man[/b:15t5rjyl] over the congregation,
Which may go out before them, and which may go in before them, and which may lead them out, and which may bring them in; that the congregation of the LORD be not as sheep which have no shepherd…
Num 27:22-23 And [b:15t5rjyl]Moses did as the LORD commanded him: and he took Joshua, and set him before Eleazar the priest, and before all the congregation:
And he laid his hands upon him, and gave him a charge, [/b:15t5rjyl]as the LORD commanded by the hand of Moses.
Is Jesus Divine? Yes.. The LORD does exactly what He has done with the Chosen people with the believers of the incarnate Christ… He gives Charge to ONE MAN that is to Peter not once not twice but 3x in John alone, “Feed my lambs, tend my sheep, feed my sheep” (Jhn 21:11- 19, Peter is told by Christ even his death will glorify the LORD.
Biblically # 3 is a number of totality! Here’s a forth time!
Mat 16:18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.
19 [b:15t5rjyl]I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven,[/b:15t5rjyl] and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
We don’t even have to discuss ‘this rock’ because Protestants state jesus is pointing to himself? Is that explicit in Scripture? No, But the Apostles witness this themselves and pas down what they have received in the rabbinical oral teaching Tradition.
Christ does give Peter the keys, which in Jewish Culture, the head Steward is given in the Absence of the Master!
here’s a fifth time:
As far as the laying on of hands to Peter and the Apostles:
jhn 20:19, “Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.”
Jhn 20:20-23 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord.
Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. [b:15t5rjyl]As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.”[/b:15t5rjyl]
And when he had said this, [b:15t5rjyl]he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.[/b:15t5rjyl]
[b:15t5rjyl]If you forgive[/b:15t5rjyl] the sins of any, [b:15t5rjyl]they are forgiven; [/b:15t5rjyl]if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
The Apostles receive the Holy Spirit in a very special way, before the Pentecost, They are made men, by receiving the actual breath of God, This was taught in the Early Church that this Commission was a ontological Change in their being.
“First off: The only difference between the holy bible and a catholic bible is that the catholic bible contains extra stories in the old testament. From what [b:15t5rjyl]I learned somewhere along the line of Protestatism decided that theyd keep the same new testament but the shorter hebrew version of the old testament..[/b:15t5rjyl].. regardless the new testament is the most important anyways.[/quote:15t5rjyl]
The Catholic Bible Canon exists 1000 yrs even before the Reformation,
It is the Protestants who discard particular books to be able to disprove RCC teachings, and then Cry ‘Sola Scriptura’ Wow, first they cut out important Historical teachings and limit how to prove where and how these teachings came about! [It’s like giving someone driving lessons with a car with no engine at all}
The Septuagint was used by the Greek speaking jews in Jesus day and since 200 b.c. Paul quotes from it some twenty times, Jesus never stated the extra books other than the torah were of no importance.
Appox 125 a.d. the Hebrews decided to remove Books they were using because the Catholic Church was using the same Scriptures to prove Christ as messiah, they decided to use only the Books prior to 350 b.c. which they believed were the only Hebrew Scriptures, however Qumran, showed that several Books left out actually were written in the Hebrew, Sirach was at least one of them.
Basically to refute Catholic Teachings the protestants did not use The Deutorocannoicals (Apocrypha) the was a bible in German before Luther, however Luther retranslated his own German Bible, he wanted to throw the ‘Book of James’ out, because it disproved his theology of faith alone, he wanted to leave Hebrews out, because no one knows who wrote the Scripture no apostolic root. But he did leave the apocrypha in the back of his bible and siad it wasn’t Sacred Scripture but useful for inspiration. Do you want to know who actuallly left the ‘extra books’ Out??? It was the printers of the Protestant Bible! Yes, the secular world decided if the Books did not need to be in the Bible, they could print smaller bibles, cheaper. that’s not of God that’s man seeking profit!! The original KJV had included the Apocrypha!!!!
Another difference is the ten commandments.
1. I, the Lord, am your God. You shall not have other gods besides me.
1.You shall have no other gods before me.
2.[b:15t5rjyl]You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above,[/b:15t5rjyl] or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
the Ten Commandments as changed by the Roman Catholic Church. They believe that their authority stands above the Word of God and that they can change God’s times and laws and God will prescribe to their changes. You will note that they deleted the second Commandment and changed God’s Sabbath to Sunday and split the tenth Commandment into two to get back to Ten Commandments.[/quote:15t5rjyl]
You’ve quoted the Commands given to the Israelites in the Exodus, the Protestant 2nd Commandment simply says:
“You shall not make unto you any graven images.”
That was before Christ, In Christ’s Incarnation we have a physical image of the Heavenly Father, Son and Holy Spirit, witnessed by the apostles, The Catholic Church, the Martyrs. We could not even use the Cross if what you state is true!!
As far as kneeling and praying God used the image of the Brass serpent, Num 21:9 So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live.
There were images of creation and the heavens in the Temple built by Solomon,
[b:15t5rjyl]Graven Image[/b:15t5rjyl]: a carved idol or [b:15t5rjyl]representation of a god[/b:15t5rjyl] used as an object of worship.
The Israelites sin in the desert, with the Golden Calf, was an image of Worship to represent the Power of God.
In the Catholic church there is only one word in the latin to describe Worship of God and two words to describe honor and veneration of people who have lived an exemplary Life in Christ or to honor and venerate authorities here on earth.
Lattria: Capital ‘W’ Worship due God and God alone!!
Dulia; Honor and veneration of our fellow men, or judges, kings, presidents.. i.e. back in the day men would call others out of resect, ‘yor lodrship, your worship”
Hyper dulia: honor due Mary, beneath the worship of God, but above all men out ofespect for her yes, and total faith in God’s will.
Prayer is not Worship It is petition!! “I pray thee” is used over 194 times biblically not in Worship but petition example, Gen 24: 12, 14, 17,43, 45 five times in Gen 24 alone!
Nobody in the right state of mind believes Catholics are worshipping
statues, idols by kneeling in front of them and praying.
If your kneeling and praying with your bible in your midst do we accuse you of Worshipping a Book??
The church of rome was already flourished when paul wrote to Corinth. He greets people in Rome by name in romans 16 but not Peter which he knew. Strange right?
Remember Paul is a late comer to the Church, he persecuted it for some 15 yrs.
[quote:15t5rjyl]Yarelis, “Irenaeus writings were formative of christian theology. He listened to Polycarp who was a deciple of John the evangelist. Polycarp was a 2nd century bishop burned at the stake then stabbed when the fire failed to touch him. Anyways the other point is that Peter saw himself as a apostle of the Jews while Paul was the apostle of the gentiles. Therefore peter never saw a reason to go to rome since he saw his calling to be witness to the people of jeruselm and jews in surrounding areas. so rome would have been for paul[/quote:15t5rjyl]
Where is this in Scripture? What history are you reading?
Whew, you’ve failed to list Ignatius, [who tradition says was the Child upon Jesus’ knee, Matt 18:2, Luke 9:48] But the historical fact is ca. 35 – 117 was among the Apostolic Fathers, was the third Bishop of Antioch, and[b:15t5rjyl]was a student of John the Apostle[/b:15t5rjyl]
St. Ignatius was Bishop of Antioch after Saint Peter and St. Evodius (who died around AD 67). Eusebius records that St. Ignatius succeeded St. Evodius. Making his apostolic succession even more immediate, Theodoret (Dial. Immutab., I, iv, 33a) reported that Peter himself appointed Ignatius to the see of Antioch.
It is Ignatius who first uses the Term The Catholic Church in 110 a.d. in writing!
Paul an Apostle empowers Timothy, as Bishop. that’s succession!
2Ti 1:6[/u:15t5rjyl] Hence I remind you to rekindle the gift of God that is within you through the laying on of my hands;
Hbr 6:1 Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
Hbr 6:2 with instruction about ablutions,[b:15t5rjyl] the laying on of hands[/b:15t5rjyl], the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.
And let us not forget even before Paul converts
Act 8:18 Now when [b:15t5rjyl]Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles’ hands,[/b:15t5rjyl]
[quote:15t5rjyl]So after all this slowly There became a seperation and therefore chirstianity began to grow.. i wont go into furthur detail for their is alot of info on that but you can search that up youself.[/quote:15t5rjyl]
whew??? Now you rewritten Historical fact! How can you figure this?? Jesus a Church to be guided by the holy Spirit til his return and it dissipates in a 100 yrs… the gates of hell cannot prevail against it!
“[quote:15t5rjyl]The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, Himself, hidden under the veil of human flesh.” — [b:15t5rjyl]Catholic National, July 1895.[/b:15t5rjyl][/quote:15t5rjyl]
[b:15t5rjyl] ” Show me this Reference[/b:15t5rjyl]!!! Where can I read this?? That is not of the Roman Catholic Church! And it is an outright false statement! It’s gossip, at best. The bible says we are responsible for every lie we utter.
Show me this in the RCC? One of the faults ‘anti-catholics’ have is to rely on a Book written by Lorraine Boettner called ‘Roman Catholism”
Roman Catholicism (1962) revised ed. (1966) ISBN 978-0-85151-082-8
If you can find a copy of this, which I had some 11 yrs. ago you will not find any viable references of his statements about the R.C. Church, in fact some of the references he does use are erroneous, not true.
same as I see for your ‘Catholic National’ SHOW ME A ROAMAN CATHOLIC Bishop, or dioceses that produced this so called document!
and if you cannot, then keep it to yourself.
#882 The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, “is the perpetual and [u:15t5rjyl]visible source[/u:15t5rjyl] and [b:15t5rjyl]foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.[/b:15t5rjyl]” “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as [b:15t5rjyl]Vicar of Christ,[/b:15t5rjyl] and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.”
definition of Vicar:
(in the Roman Catholic Church) [b:15t5rjyl]a representative or deputy of a bishop[/b:15t5rjyl].
• (in the Episcopal Church) a member of the clergy in charge of a chapel.
• (in the Church of England) an incumbent of a parish where tithes formerly passed to a chapter or religious house or layman.
• (in other Anglican Churches) a member of the clergy deputizing for another.
• a cleric or choir member appointed to sing certain parts of a cathedral service.
This was something that was said in the catholic national… the reason i put this is because the catholic church swears they have a authority to create rules and regulations apart from the scripture.[/quote:15t5rjyl]
Let me show you what your Pastor won’t, because obviously you do not read the Bible, you only believe anything anti-catholic!
The Bible says it is the Church which is the Pillar and Bulwark of truth!
AND that [b:15t5rjyl]the Church reveals [/b:15t5rjyl]the full manifold of Christ’s teachings:
1Ti 3:14- 15 I hope to come to you soon, but I am writing these instructions to you so that,
if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in [b:15t5rjyl]the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.[/b:15t5rjyl]
Eph 3:10 t[b:15t5rjyl]hat through the church the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the principalities and powers [/b:15t5rjyl]in the heavenly places.
Eph 3:11 This was according to the eternal purpose which he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord,
[quote:15t5rjyl]Yarelis, A theory say that their is chage to the inner although their is external evidence to the contrary. Scientist ruled this theory out but catholic decided to keep it. so this bread now is the body of christ and is worshiped and eaten. A priest said that this tradition is infact the sacrafice of jesus on the calvary .. not a serperate one from what he did on the cross but the same one.[/quote:15t5rjyl]
Transubstantiation is a philosophical term used to explain what Christ and the Apostles taught. Nobody challenged this Church teaching for 1000 yrs. since Christ, and then in 1100 a.d in the West the question ws brought as to what does thew Church mean in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Until St. Thomas Aquinas, developed tht term,it was and still is a mystery of God.
When God said, “let there be light’ it happened
” ” let the earth bring forth all kinds of creatures” it happened!!!When God said it happened!!!
Jesus held the bread and said, “THIS I MY BODY” it become His Body!
when jesus said, “This is my blood of the New Covenant” It became His Blood… and still does through Him through His Priests!
You have no basic Understanding of RCC teachings, nor of any Church history. Please do read what the Roman Catholic Church actually does teach!
[quote:15t5rjyl]”If you believe what you like in the gospels,
and reject what you don’t like, it is not the gospel you believe but yourself.” St. Augustine[/quote:15t5rjyl]
[b:15t5rjyl]All warfare is based on deception![/b:15t5rjyl]
The Opponent is wise: Whenever He can, He makes use of [b:15t5rjyl]the easiest and most effective of his weapons: Gossip. [/b:15t5rjyl]
It [u:15t5rjyl]doesn’t take much effort to use it[/u:15t5rjyl], because others do the work for him. [b:15t5rjyl]A few miss-directed words can destroy months of dedication, [/b:15t5rjyl]years spent in search of Harmony. The Warrior of Light is often a victim of this trick, he doesn’t know where this blow came from, and cannot prove the gossip is false. [b:15t5rjyl]Gossip does not allow him the right to defend himself, it condemns without trial.[/b:15t5rjyl]
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