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    Victor
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    [color=darkred:19b7nxcv]Does Justice trump Love?[/color:19b7nxcv]

    #7136

    Andres Ortiz
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    Justice is love.

    #7137

    Victor
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    [quote:1b6k3slh]Justice is love.[/quote:1b6k3slh]

    [color=darkred:1b6k3slh]I see it more as an attribute of Love. I suppose we are talking about the same thing, but if they happen to clash, which one trumps which in your opinion?

    For example, you love your son, but due to his drug habit, you can’t have him around the house anymore due to him stealing.[/color:1b6k3slh]

    #7139

    Andres Ortiz
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    So…then you do what you can to get your son some help and put him in a treatment center. That’s still love and justice.

    God is love and justice comes from God. True love would produce true justice. Justice and love can never clash because they both come from God.

    Justice can be seen as a fruit of love or a result of love.

    #7140

    Victor
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    [quote:w9cwtizg]So…then you do what you can to get your son some help and put him in a treatment center. That’s still love and justice.

    God is love and justice comes from God. True love would produce true justice. Justice and love can never clash because they both come from God.

    Justice can be seen as a fruit of love or a result of love.[/quote:w9cwtizg]

    [color=darkred:w9cwtizg]Perhaps it’s because I was seeing it in light of Hell. Would this be a fruit of love? Wouldn’t that be Justice trumping love?[/color:w9cwtizg]

    #7141

    weather
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    It depends on the condition that Justice is used,in the court system there is allot of Justice but NO love.Justice is defined as “the quality of being just: recitude in dealing with others”,Love is “a strong feeling of affection,especially to one of the opposite sex”,so my personal opinion I would take love over justice.I get a kick out of people who say “I really love my car or other personal items”,one can only “love” a human being or possible a animal not a object.

    #7146

    [quote:10pdsi1h][quote:10pdsi1h]So…then you do what you can to get your son some help and put him in a treatment center. That’s still love and justice.

    God is love and justice comes from God. True love would produce true justice. Justice and love can never clash because they both come from God.

    Justice can be seen as a fruit of love or a result of love.[/quote:10pdsi1h]

    [color=darkred:10pdsi1h]Perhaps it’s because I was seeing it in light of Hell. Would this be a fruit of love? Wouldn’t that be Justice trumping love?[/color:10pdsi1h][/quote:10pdsi1h]

    If you loved your son you wouldn’t let his error persist. One can’t tolerate sinful behavior. that isn’t justice triumphing over love, it is love driving justice.

    #7150

    Victor
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    [quote:37s855tz]If you loved your son you wouldn’t let his error persist. One can’t tolerate sinful behavior. that isn’t justice triumphing over love, it is love driving justice.[/quote:37s855tz]

    [color=darkred:37s855tz]But there is no possibility of change in Hell. How does any of that apply?[/color:37s855tz]

    #7161

    [quote:16xpygov][quote:16xpygov]If you loved your son you wouldn’t let his error persist. One can’t tolerate sinful behavior. that isn’t justice triumphing over love, it is love driving justice.[/quote:16xpygov]

    [color=darkred:16xpygov]But there is no possibility of change in Hell. How does any of that apply?[/color:16xpygov][/quote:16xpygov]

    Uh… huh?

    I don’t understand what you mean. If you are referring to God’s justice, and sending people to Hell, remember that He *doesn’t* send people to Hell. They go there themselves.

    If that wasn’t what you were referring to, you’ll have to clarify. It’s early and I’m groggy. heh

    #7163

    Victor
    Member

    [quote:1p3wz3wf]Uh… huh?

    I don’t understand what you mean. If you are referring to God’s justice, and sending people to Hell, remember that He *doesn’t* send people to Hell. They go there themselves.

    If that wasn’t what you were referring to, you’ll have to clarify. It’s early and I’m groggy. heh[/quote:1p3wz3wf]

    [color=darkred:1p3wz3wf]No problemo… :mrgreen:

    People will end up in Hell [i:1p3wz3wf]because[/i:1p3wz3wf] justice exist. Justice flows from God’s character, just like Love. So whether we send ourselves or not is irrelavent to the fact that people are there because of the existence of Justice.

    Hope that helps.[/color:1p3wz3wf]

    #7165

    weather
    Member

    <img src=” title=”Confused” /> Isn’t there a difference between Divine Justice and earthly justice?What is it.

    #7166

    [quote:1uloqxcc][quote:1uloqxcc]Uh… huh?

    I don’t understand what you mean. If you are referring to God’s justice, and sending people to Hell, remember that He *doesn’t* send people to Hell. They go there themselves.

    If that wasn’t what you were referring to, you’ll have to clarify. It’s early and I’m groggy. heh[/quote:1uloqxcc]

    [color=darkred:1uloqxcc]No problemo… :mrgreen:

    People will end up in Hell [i:1uloqxcc]because[/i:1uloqxcc] justice exist. Justice flows from God’s character, just like Love. So whether we send ourselves or not is irrelavent to the fact that people are there because of the existence of Justice.

    Hope that helps.[/color:1uloqxcc][/quote:1uloqxcc]

    I know, but you seemed to be asking whether this was due to love or in spite of love.

    #7167

    weather
    Member

    According to the CC #1807,Justice is the moral virtue that consists in the constant and firm will to give their due to God and neighbor. Justice toward God is called the “virtue of religion.” Justice toward men disposes one to respect the rights of each and to establish in human relationships the harmony that promotes equity with regard to persons and to the common good. The just man,often mentioned in the Sacred Scriptures, is distinguished by habitual right thinking and the uprightness of his conduct toward his neighbor. “You shall not be partial to the poor or defer to the great,but in righteousness shall you judge your neighbor.” “Masters,treat your slaves justly and fairly,knowing that you have a Master in heaven.”

    #7173

    Victor
    Member

    [quote:t75fon67]I know, but you seemed to be asking whether this was due to love or in spite of love.[/quote:t75fon67]

    [color=darkred:t75fon67]I think Jon got the same impression. I suppose I was looking more for which quality of God wins out (bad wording) when confronted.[/color:t75fon67]

    #7174

    [quote:1pzt15wb][quote:1pzt15wb]I know, but you seemed to be asking whether this was due to love or in spite of love.[/quote:1pzt15wb]

    [color=darkred:1pzt15wb]I think Jon got the same impression. I suppose I was looking more for which quality of God wins out (bad wording) when confronted.[/color:1pzt15wb][/quote:1pzt15wb]

    They aren’t in conflict, that’s the point.

    #7176

    Victor
    Member

    [quote:3o08a2jv][quote:3o08a2jv][quote:3o08a2jv]I know, but you seemed to be asking whether this was due to love or in spite of love.[/quote:3o08a2jv]

    [color=darkred:3o08a2jv]I think Jon got the same impression. I suppose I was looking more for which quality of God wins out (bad wording) when confronted.[/color:3o08a2jv][/quote:3o08a2jv]

    They aren’t in conflict, that’s the point.[/quote:3o08a2jv]

    [color=darkred:3o08a2jv]Justice is Love and Love is Justice. I got that!
    But since God’s attributes come to us one at a time, I can’t help but seperate them. Even though I know they come hand in hand. I do not “feel” love when I am being chastised. Do you?

    In this sense, they are seperate.[/color:3o08a2jv]

    #7183

    Maybe not at THAT moment, but that isn’t because it is not there. For instance, my parents often told me *not* to do things, or complained about something I *did* do, and I would be ticked off, but eventually, one realizes that one would not be the person one is today without that type of instruction and loving behavior of parenting.

    Emotions don’t usually get the whole story.

    #7187

    Victor
    Member

    [quote:eeh88v2l]Maybe not at THAT moment, but that isn’t because it is not there. For instance, my parents often told me *not* to do things, or complained about something I *did* do, and I would be ticked off, but eventually, one realizes that one would not be the person one is today without that type of instruction and loving behavior of parenting.

    Emotions don’t usually get the whole story.[/quote:eeh88v2l]

    [color=darkred:eeh88v2l]No they don’t. And we all often let it get the best of us.

    If anything I was attempting to pick everybody’s brain as to how Hell can in any way be connected to Love.[/color:eeh88v2l]

    #7188

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    I’m not sure hell is connected to love, but then again God doesn’t send people to hell. We choose hell because we choose against God.

    #7197

    Exactly. Hell isn’t connected to love. It is an absence of love.

    Hell is the loss of God, and love comes from God.

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