June 27, 2005 at 6:35 pm #1105
I was talking to an old aquaintance about the struggles I have with my brother. Mid way thru the conversation he stopped me and said that I was judging my brother. I was like “huh”. What do you guys think? If you know factual things about a person’s behaivor and actions, would you call that judging? If not, then how is judging used in the biblical sense?
~VictorJune 27, 2005 at 7:05 pm #5247
I guess since I wasn’t there I wouldn’t know the context in which you were sharing things about your brother. Some people seem to use “don’t judge me (or whomever)” as a copout because it’s clear that they other party is guilty of the accusation. It’s not always the case, but sometimes it applies.
That you are open and willing to examine what you said about your brother is a good sign that you are headed in the right direction and not trying to be unfair about your brother. ” title=”Smile” />June 27, 2005 at 8:23 pm #5253
The line between concern and judgement is extremely thin, speaking from personal experience you probably did make a judgement in that conversation, it’s very easy to do. I find myself reminding myself many times throughout the day not to judge others. Infact I believe its very near impossible not to. I’d be surprised if someone came up to me and said I didn’t judge one person today. For example everytime I’m driving along i find it very difficult not to make a judgement about whether i like the look of the girl on the pavement (sidewalk). PeaceJune 27, 2005 at 8:45 pm #5255
[quote:3d700dr1]If you know factual things about a person’s behaivor and actions, would you call that judging?
I think there could be a difference between judging actions or judging persons. If you said “I think what my brother did is wrong” I think could be ok. If you said “My brother is a…” or “He shouldn¬¥t have done that because” maybe that was judgmental.
For example, stealing. We know it is wrong, so that is a judgement on an action. But we cannot judge why a person does it. I do agree with Jon that the simple fact you are asking about it says your intentions are good
God¬¥s Peace and Love
JuanJune 28, 2005 at 12:06 am #5268
So judging actions is ok? How do you judge a person aside from saying “you’re going to hell”.
~VictorJune 28, 2005 at 3:45 am #5270
Telling a person that he sinned is a manner of judging. We might know that what he did was wrong (objectively disordered) but we are ignorant of any personal guilt he may shoulder for his action.June 28, 2005 at 4:21 am #5272
[quote:3qs1yxg8]Telling a person that he sinned is a manner of judging. We might know that what he did was wrong (objectively disordered) but we are ignorant of any personal guilt he may shoulder for his action.[/quote:3qs1yxg8]
good point, man. Never even thought of that.June 28, 2005 at 6:11 am #5275
[quote:lqaxdxnk]So judging actions is ok?
I¬¥m not sure if is ok to judge actions or not. But I do think it would be wrong to judge a person based on the actions he/she commits, because we cannot know the circumstances that leads a person to commit his/her actions.
Let¬¥s say there is a problem in a family, the father lost his job for example. This leads to a very stressful situation in the house. Then the 5 year-old son starts misbehaving at school, let¬¥s say hitting his little classmates.
We could say and know hitting someone else is wrong (judging an action)
But we can¬¥t say the person who is doing the hitting is a bad person(of course in many cases there would be a strong temptation to do it) because only God knows all the circumstances and how each person reacts to them.
JuanJune 28, 2005 at 9:44 pm #5280
Don’t we all do it though? The mental body functions like that. We can all admit that we all observe, rationalize, and then conclude. I can’t help but do this. But it’s how you act on it that makes a difference. I am not speaking of cultivating dirty thoughts in your mind. But simply basing a well informed opionion to further your awareness and possibly help that person. St. Paul was not shy in telling the Galatians their errors, would this be judging? Or are we talking about a different thing?
[quote:2jm8oqwt]…but we are ignorant of any personal guilt he may shoulder for his action.[/quote:2jm8oqwt]
I can only echo what Jon said and say good point. But what if the person confesses no guilt and the actions back it up. Could I conclude or say anything?
~VictorJuly 1, 2005 at 3:59 am #5298
[quote:3u8zhkr7]Don’t we all do it though?[/quote:3u8zhkr7]
Of course we do. There are a lot of thing we are not supposed to do and we all do them anyway. Believe me I¬¥m not judging you here, I¬¥m just saying what I believe the teachings of the Catholic Church are on this one.
I think this is one of the toughest, but Jesus did ask us not to judge others. Keep in mind He also asked us to be perfect as God is. Now, are we? obviously not.
You make the good point that sometimes we actually can be correct on judging others, we aren¬¥t supposed to do it though.
Let me use hitler as an example here. Based on Catholic teachings there is a very slight possibility that he is in Heaven. Does anyone actually believe that though? I certainly don¬¥t.
If we had met hitler and we had say to him “hey, I think what you¬¥re doing is wrong, if you continue on this path you will go to hell” would we had been wrong? No
Would we had disobeyed what Jesus asked us to do? Yes
Am I taking the “Do not judge others” too literally? Maybe, I don¬¥t know
What do you think?
JuanJuly 2, 2005 at 5:55 am #5307
I am not objecting to the reality that judging others is wrong. I agree. My point is that in many cases the Bible was talking about judging people to hell. This is something that is obviously wrong and sinful. Only God can do that. Not even the Catholic Church was given the authority to condemn someone to hell.
What would you guys call what St. Paul was doing in many occasions with the Corinthian and Galatian churches? Was he passing judgement on them or is it something else?
Answer this and you will be closer to what I tend to do with my brother.
~VictorJuly 2, 2005 at 1:23 pm #5309
St. Paul was adminishing those communities. Heck, that was his job. As an apostle he was given the authority to instruct and teach people how to follow Christ.
Basically he was correcting their errors and helping them live like Christians.
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