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January 13, 2009 at 4:17 am #9010AnonymousInactive
Good questions, and not being all knowing, or infallible, I’ll have to read up on the subject and get back to you as soon as I can. That is one of the wonderful things about our Faith, we can always learn.January 13, 2009 at 6:00 am #9016AnonymousInactive
Yes indeed ” title=”Smile” /> Not only Roman Catholicism but also other Christian churches. In my opinion, it’s wonderful to understand and respect others beliefs ” title=”Smile” />January 13, 2009 at 6:14 am #9018AnonymousInactive
I’ve studied and discussed non-Catholic sects. I even taught at a non-Catholic College. I’ve come to the conclusion that the Catholic Church, with all the fallible humans that have been members of it, is the one depostory of the Truths taught by Jesus.
That does not exclude Protestant sects and Orthodox Churches having some of the Truth. However an honest reading of history, which includes the horrible things some Catholics have done in the name of the Church has me convinced of the claims of the Catholic Church. It was when I was a student at Loma Linda University, a Seventh Day Adventist Medical College that I was introduced to some of the objections to the Catholic Church that you’ve been reading in Lutheran literature. I sought out the real story behind the attacks on the Catholic Church, as if everything I was being told about the Catholic Church had been true, it would have been the most evil association in existance. I found through both Catholic and Secular sources that the lies told about the Catholic Church and the way that history had been twisted did not jive with what really happened in history, and from that took instruction and converted to the Catholic Faith. I still check facts, and read Protestant sources to confirm what they really believe and say. But I’ve yet to be convinced that Jesus abandoned the Church He founded, and promised to remain with, even unto the consumation of the earth.January 14, 2009 at 3:37 am #9028AnonymousInactive
I wonder why one can be possessed my a demonic force. Is it because we’re easy prey since we are sinful and have turned away from God through Original sin?February 3, 2009 at 9:23 pm #9061AnonymousInactive
I don’t want you to think I have forgotten your question. I’ll put down in words a few things I remember, and when I find the book I’m looking for answer in a more fleshed out reply.
Yes original sin and actual sin do weaken our souls, as any illness of the body would.
Aside from those who dabble in the occult, there are other ways that we fall prey to posession, I’ll fill you in more when I find the book.
When we are posessed, we are not to the extent that we do not comply with the devil held guilty for the actions that the devil and his demons cause us to do or say when in posession of our body or mind.February 4, 2009 at 5:11 am #9063AnonymousInactive
I would like to look at this book you speak of. It sounds interesting ” title=”Smile” />February 4, 2009 at 7:23 am #9065AnonymousInactive
There are a couple, as soon as I find them, I’ll post the names and authors here. I think at least one is still in print.February 12, 2009 at 4:36 am #9105AnonymousInactive
Is there any other rites that seem like sacraments in the Catholic Church?February 12, 2009 at 7:22 am #9106AnonymousInactive
There are any number of rites or devotions that are approved by the Church. The difference is, a Sacrament is an outward sign of an inward grace, instituted by Christ. They actually provide graces needed for our Salvation. The other rites are promulgated by the Church, and while one can obtain graces from them, they where not instituted by Christ, so the Church can add, delete, or change them.
An example of something that may look like a Sacrament would be Adoration and Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament. It was promoted to counter the new Ideas of the Protestants that denied that Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist and not just symbolically. The rosary, and processions, the blessing of the candles at Candlemas, the blessing of the throats on the Feast of St. Blaze. The blessing of Holy Water, are all what are called Sacramentals, not sacraments, but rites, prayers, and items like medals and scapulars that the Church authorizes us to use in order to obtain graces, and give honor to God and His Saints. BTW, giving honor to Saints, reflects on God, and honors God Himself.February 14, 2009 at 9:31 pm #9109AnonymousInactive"LARobert":2euluyd4 wrote:BTW, giving honor to Saints, reflects on God, and honors God Himself.[/quote:2euluyd4]
What is it called when you put your trust in St. Anthony to find your lost car keys or your trust in St. Christopher to protect you on a trip or puting your trust in any saint?February 15, 2009 at 5:28 am #9121AnonymousInactive
Any honor or intercession we give to the Saints reflects on God who they serve and honor. When we pray to the saints we ask them to offer their prayers to God for us. From a truly Catholic perspective, it is God ultimately is the one who grants the petition through the intercession of His Saints, the request that we petition the saint for is not through their own power, but by the power of God.February 15, 2009 at 5:30 am #9122AnonymousInactive
so ultimately, the power of the saint isn’t theres but Gods?February 15, 2009 at 5:47 am #9132AnonymousInactive
All power comes from God. He allows us on earth to use it for good or evil, otherwise we would not have free will. Even the power of Satan is allowed by God, (not directed by Him).February 15, 2009 at 5:55 am #9133AnonymousInactive
When you got confirmed, who was your conformation saint?February 15, 2009 at 6:16 am #9134AnonymousInactive
St. Francis of AssisiFebruary 15, 2009 at 6:19 am #9135AnonymousInactive
Wasn’t he the first person in Church history to recieve the stigmata of Christ?February 15, 2009 at 6:32 am #9136AnonymousInactive
One of the most famous. His is the first recorded, and out of humility he did not readily show it to most of his fellow friars. In his case it manifest itself not as the actual wounds, but “excrescences” which where protrusions in the skin that looked like the nails in his hands and feet. The back of the hands are described as looking like the head of a nail, and the palms as the point of the nail that bent back into his hands.
Others have had Mystical (invisible) sitgmatas, and still others actual wounde like St. Padre Pio.
The Church is very careful about the phenomina, Padre Pio was secluded and not allowed to preach of function publicly for many years. The reasons included that the Church wanted to verify that the stigmata was a true stigmata, as there have been some who fake the stigmata, and some who because of mental illness have been able to produce the stigmata. In the 1970’s a Catholic Lay Brother named Brother Gino alleged to have the stigmata, and hear messages from heaven. There was a long investigatin, and he finally admitted to faking the sitgmata and the messages.April 22, 2009 at 4:37 am #9317AnonymousInactive
What is the difference between an invisible and visible stigmata?April 22, 2009 at 5:34 am #9318AnonymousInactive
The visible stigmata is what it sounds like, a stigmata that appears on ones hands, feet and side. Bleeds real blood, does not heal, or become infected, does not heal when physicians apply different remedies, and is not inflicted on ones self, or by someone else. Someone with a visible stigmata is also (in modern times) observed and has a psychiatrist (sometimes more than one) assess them as well as other medical professionals to rule out any natural or human sources of the stigmata. Both Visible and Invisible stigmatas are found among people (lay and clergy) who have a reputation for great holiness.
Someone who has only have the sufferings, without any outward marks, and these phenomena are called invisible stigmata.
There have been many people who have claimed to have the stigmata who have been proven after investigation by Church and Secular sources to be false stigmatists.August 15, 2009 at 10:13 pm #9430AnonymousInactive"LARobert":178kyvvf wrote:There have been many people who have claimed to have the stigmata who have been proven after investigation by Church and Secular sources to be false stigmatists.[/quote:178kyvvf]
Why would people want to have everyone believe they received a visible stigmata? Wouldn’t it just humiliate them when they are proven wrong in public?
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