Is a Catholic bound to believe in private revelation?

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  • #1006

    Victor
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    Some examples:
    Fatima
    Juan Diego
    Eucharist turning to heart flesh

    #4030

    As I understand it, the answer is no, but I believe in it. <img src=” title=”Smile” />

    #4034

    Andres Ortiz
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    No, a Catholic is not bound to believe it. But some of the things that I have heard or seen and that are well documented I am more inclined to believe them. Especially stuff like hosts bleeding or turning into flesh over a few hundred years. I think that’s all probably real.

    #4037

    Victor
    Member

    Cool. So far so good. <img src=” title=”Cool” />

    ~Victor

    #4216

    Fred
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    Peace be with you,

    We are not bound to believe in these but we are to [b:3gky55dr][u:3gky55dr]ascent[/u:3gky55dr][/b:3gky55dr] to them and what the church teaches on them.

    #4217

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    [quote:26qay6c0]Peace be with you,

    We are not bound to believe in these but we are to [b:26qay6c0][u:26qay6c0]ascent[/u:26qay6c0][/b:26qay6c0] to them and what the church teaches on them.[/quote:26qay6c0]
    So, in other words, acknowledge that the Church has claimed them as true, even if we don’t think so?

    #4220

    [quote:1boxhvpz]Peace be with you,

    We are not bound to believe in these but we are to [b:1boxhvpz][u:1boxhvpz]ascent[/u:1boxhvpz][/b:1boxhvpz] to them and what the church teaches on them.[/quote:1boxhvpz]

    Do you mean assent? Either way, I’m still a bit confused…

    #4227

    Fred
    Member

    Assent, yes my bad did not check the spelling.

    Defined:

    n. agreement, approval, consent

    v. agree, concur, approve, consent

    [quote:2kpzr4ay]So, in other words, acknowledge that the Church has claimed them as true, even if we don’t think so?[/quote:2kpzr4ay]

    Pretty much. I wrestle with this too. Such as the War in Iraq, and a few other issues. But I have to agree/consent that what the Church says is true, even if I feel otherwise. This is a act of faith based on the Church’s vast knowledge and authority to interpret matters of faith and morality.

    #4228

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    Ok, yeah, I get it. That makes sense. It took me a minute to think about it, but I get it now. <img src=” title=”Smile” />

    #4230

    Fred
    Member

    Sorry, my bad spelling and I wasn’t as clear on this as I should have been. It’s hard sometimes to accept the concept of assenting to the Church, this is partly what has lead to the differences between the Church in the States and the rest of the world. <img src=” title=”Sad” /> But that is part of the human condition I feel.

    We have to just keep learning and praying to get through those though times when we “feel” our idea on something is opposed to that of the Church and we have the responsibility of reconciling it. Not the Church reconciling or changing for us. Fore if that were true, then our faith is falsely placed in man not God!

    #4232

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    Well, I have no problem with assenting to the Church. I just pray that others could see its wisdom sometimes.

    [quote:2gf57dgz]We have to just keep learning and praying to get through those though times when we “feel” our idea on something is opposed to that of the Church and we have the responsibility of reconciling it. Not the Church reconciling or changing for us. Fore if that were true, then our faith is falsely placed in man not God![/quote:2gf57dgz]
    Amen! <img src=” title=”Very Happy” />

    #4235

    Fred
    Member

    I pray they see it all the time. What is distressing is the lazafair attitude, cafeteria Catholic attitude, whatever you’d like to call it lol It’s simple, it’s really a all or nothing deal. If you take only the parts you agree with and like then you are not in the fullness of the faith. And if your not in fullness then how can you claim it as your faith?

    Further, your wants and desires are not that of Gods always. If we accept the Church as ours and the faith as ours then it must dictate to us everything concerning faith, this has been learned by thousands of years and many councils, and men and women far greater then any of us. To presume we know better because [b:3qtkmn2b]”we feel”[/b:3qtkmn2b] it should be that way or that it is more fair that way is moot!

    To sell short any part of the faith nullifies it. We cannot and must most make changes because of whims, personal feeling, or contemporary mindsets. We are Roman Catholics, Universal in faith, centered in Christ, authority give to the apostles and pasted through time to our Popes, who are the authority of our faith. Forget this modernistic, American, Canadian, whomever mindset that this isn’t fair! This is the faith assent accept and continue to pray for your salvation and those of your brothers and sister.

    Christ’s work first, God’s will above all others, do this and you will know happiness and peace! If this offends, I make no apology, but we need to hear, listen and understand this!

    #4236

    Why do I get the feeling that I’m posting on one thread, and getting replied to on the other?

    #4238

    Fred
    Member

    No lol there is are two similar threads going on here at once lol

    #4242

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    [quote:kengd7b7]What is distressing is the lazafair attitude…[/quote:kengd7b7]
    @Fred: I think you mean laissez-faire.

    #4245

    Fred
    Member

    yeap looked hi and low on the spelling through google and that was the closest I could find lol

    English grammer is not my strong suite lol

    #4247

    Victor
    Member

    Fred, if you were in a room speaking, I would stand up and applaud God for pouring his grace on you. That was wonderfully said and there is deffinately no need to apologize.

    Anyone ever hear Father William Stacey speak?
    I think I have his name correct. Awesome speaker.

    ~Victor

    #4471

    I knwo you dont HAVE to believe in private revelations, but in cases such as Fatima, Lourdes, and Medjugorie, I DO believe.

    #4602

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    [quote:he98ka6z]I knwo you dont HAVE to believe in private revelations, but in cases such as Fatima, Lourdes, and Medjugorie, I DO believe.[/quote:he98ka6z]
    What compels you to believe?

    #4609

    Lourdes, becasue of just HOW MANY miracles are attributed to it.

    Fatima because I don’t think thousands of people would lie about seeing the sun move.

    Medjugorie because not only did it deeply affect and imrpove the Faith of MANY of my family members, but the Miracles associated with it are also rather convincing. I have even seen a tape where the sun dissapears for a moment. I know that sounds a little far-fetched but it is true.

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