- August 8, 2012 at 11:24 pm #2142
which one of these four is infallible and which three are not ?
Pope – Magisterium – Holy Ghost – twincAugust 8, 2012 at 11:51 pm #10470
Definitely not twinc.August 9, 2012 at 5:47 am #10471
The Holy Ghost- always
The Pope- under those conditions defined by the Vatican Council in Pastor Aeternus can teach and define an article of Faith or Morals
infallibly define an article of Faith or Morals. (extraordinarily) And when he teaches from the deposit of Faith (ordinarily)
The Magisterium- when teaching in communion with the Holy Father on Catholic Morals or Dogma, does so infallibly, When in a validly promulgated dogmatic council, in union with the Pope defines dogma, or a pastoral council teaches, we are responsible not simply to heed what it proclaims, but to do so in the manner wich the Church interprets those teachings. We are not free to simply choose those items we wish to follow in our own isolated fortress, and ignore the rest.
Both the Ordinary Magisterium which is where the Magisterium transmits teaching. The infallibility of the Ordinary Magisterium ensures a faithful and orthodox transmission of that teaching. As well as Extraordinary Magisterium which is to judge the authetic teachings from false teachings. The infallibility of the Extraordinary Magisterium ensures a faithful and orthodox judgment of teaching.August 9, 2012 at 9:26 am #10475
sounds a lot like de fide teachings by Lateran IV and Vatican 1 – it seems that what was condemned as heresy in 1906 was and is being proclaimed as to what and should be the doctrine and method of the Church as I read it and it seems it has come to pass that “henceforth the enemy of the Church is no longer outside the Church : he is now within” [Pope St.Pius X] – btw see http://www.catholicorigins.com – twincAugust 9, 2012 at 3:33 pm #10480
Yup that would be the way that you read it. It is however not the way that the Holy See reads it, or had read it in the past. It is how some of the Old Catholics, and the Sede Vacantists read it, but they have formally placed themselves outside of the Church.August 9, 2012 at 4:20 pm #10483
not at all – like in the ARIAN heresy a similar heresy is now abroad as far as it affects the Catholic Doctrine of Creation – I here repeat it again and again for acceptance or rejection = in the beginning,in an instant on each of 6 x 24hr days out of nothing God created everything very good[complete] = no origins evolution,including theistic evolution necessary or possible = come home now – twinc
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