May 27, 2005 at 6:24 pm #1080
Ok, we’ve haven’t had any new topics in this area so here goes a new one.
What are your thoughts on immigration and how do would you solve it?May 27, 2005 at 9:59 pm #4827
I think the biggest problem is that illegal aliens have NO problem living in the United States. Lets look at a few facts:
There is NO WAY to COMPLETELY block off the borders. People would like to THINK there is, but even if we resorted to using our entire military to do so, it just ain’t gonna happen.
Illegal aliens can still make livings (albeit shoddy ones) that are BETTER than the lives they have elsehwere. Now, I’m all for beign charitable and letting people have better lives, but one of these guys mgiht be the next Osama Bin Laden, and we DO have an obligation to our OWN citizens before other countries.
So, make it harder for these people to live in the U.S. without going trhough the proper channels. There is not perfect solution, but I think that would be wise.
BTW, not sure if this is what you meant, but oh well ” title=”Wink” />May 27, 2005 at 11:14 pm #4832
[quote:2lfh4dcg]So, make it harder for these people to live in the U.S. without going trhough the proper channels. There is not perfect solution, but I think that would be wise.[/quote:2lfh4dcg]
Huh? Not sure if I understood here. Are you saying they should go thru the LEGAL way? Is that what you mean by “proper channels”?
Cause if you are I have first hand experience that there is NO channels period at the moment. There is very few if any way for a person to come in the LEGAL way either. There are programs for extreme cases like war in a country or something like that but believe me it is EXTREMELY difficult to get legalized. Which is fine, but the whole immigration has a lot of things it can improve on. It took me over 15 years to finally become a citizen.
But you’re right, there is no easy solution.
~VictorMay 28, 2005 at 12:32 am #4834
Well there you go, I know very little about this stuff.
If they can’t get in legally and they can stay in ILLEGALLY, well that seems like a recipe for disaster…May 28, 2005 at 2:01 am #4835
[quote:3h5kaaom]There is NO WAY to COMPLETELY block off the borders. People would like to THINK there is, but even if we resorted to using our entire military to do so, it just ain’t gonna happen.
So, make it harder for these people to live in the U.S. without going trhough the proper channels. There is not perfect solution, but I think that would be wise.[/quote:3h5kaaom]
Kinda shocked that you would advocate making it harder for people to get into the US….?????
The Church teaches that the political community has an obligation to ensure [color=darkred:3h5kaaom]the right to emigrate.[/color:3h5kaaom] (cf. Catechism of the Catholic Church #2211)
Please explain.May 28, 2005 at 4:16 am #4837
Right to immigrate? Sure. Right to come in without doing it legally? That is something else entirely.
But then again I probably should have stayed out of this topic. I am very uneducated on this topic. I live nowhere near a border, and none of my family, or even grandparents, had to deal with immigration.May 29, 2005 at 1:11 am #4850
Illegal is just that illegal. We have to face the fact that we have a problem at our borders. People are dieing trying to sneek across the border. Maintaining the present system makes no sense. Not everyone who comes across the border illegally is a hard working and moral person. We need to at least try to keep out those who are not. The communists sure did a good job at their borders during the cold war in Europe. We should welcome those who are hardworking and moral. But we should do it legally.
I have a friend (a Vietnam vet & citizen) who is living in South America because immigration will not allow his non-citizen wife into the States. That is becasue they can not show that they have enought money to keep his wife off of our welfare roles. He has wrote to his congressmen and all, but that is the way it is. So what should he do? Sneek across the border with her?
There has to be a better way than this current system.May 29, 2005 at 7:34 pm #4865
The laws of God supercede the laws of the nation.But we should “give to Ceasar what is of Ceasar”, but this is only if it does not contradict the laws of God. Nothing new to you guys. Does immigration laws in it’s current form violate the laws of God?
I am not talking about letting in terroist or immoral people. This assuming our programs, interviews, paper work, investigations, and so on have determine that this is a hard working moral person trying to better the over quality of life. Does our system allow these people to come in? My experience is that the answer is clearly NO.
Let know your thoughts.
~VictorMay 29, 2005 at 9:48 pm #4868
Well I have no experience, but I would say that if it doesn’t let upstanding people in, it needs to be fixed.May 30, 2005 at 4:16 pm #4876
Sadly there is no true system to verify the quality of people that we are letting into this country. In most cases it’s the immoral people that have better resources and money to come into the country.
~VictorMay 30, 2005 at 5:09 pm #4878
True, but you can at least check if they are in the drug business. I would assume that is somewhat possible.May 31, 2005 at 11:33 pm #4913
You’d be surprised… ” title=”Wink” />
~VictorMay 31, 2005 at 11:46 pm #4918
I know. It is hard to PROVE beyond reasonable doubt that someone is onvolved in dealing drugs. But it is usually not too hard to get some evidence one way or the other, to at least increase the CHANCES of the right people coming in…
But like I said, I know nothing about this, so… yeah. lolJune 1, 2005 at 9:48 pm #4937
Okay! Sensitive topic for me. ” title=”Smile” />
A little background…
I have lived in this beautiful country, the US, for about 22 years now. I was a straight-A student in school, and had high hopes of getting a degree from a University. Guess what? My dreams were shattered by an immigration judge. She said something like this…You are smart. I am not allowing you to live here in the US because you are smart enough to go back and make a life in your country of birth.
The case that the judge handled before mine was from a man who dealt with drug trafficking…and she gave him another opportunity!!!
How does that sound?
The honorable judge has proved with my case that it must be too hard to “filter” out the bad and keep the good. Also, I don’t understand why there are immigrant haters out there when most of us immigrated to this country in the first place.
I’m not sure who said that the next person to come to the country can be the next Osama Bin Laden, but I’ve read too many stories in the newspaper about psycho killers that are American. Evil people exist everywhere, unfortunately. I don’t think that stopping people from living here in the US will stop evil people from doing evil things. The Devil is everywhere.
My point is to love your brother and share your land. ” title=”Very Happy” />
I honestly don’t know what the government can do to regulate the amount of people coming in and to make it a fair and organized process.
But, let us pray that God’s Will is being done.
(for those of you who are concerned, I currently have permission to be living here… ” title=”Very Happy” /> )June 1, 2005 at 9:58 pm #4939
Partly because she married me. And NO that was not the reason she married me…..lol. At least I think. ” title=”Confused” />
She had permission to stay here before I met her. By the way, I was there to witness the judge do that to her.
~VictorJune 1, 2005 at 10:20 pm #4941
[quote:k9layr67]Partly because she married me. And NO that was not the reason she married me…..lol. At least I think. ” title=”Confused” />
I married you out of love!
But your citizenship was a bonus!June 6, 2005 at 8:46 pm #4972
I don’t know a whole lot about immigration except that my parents are immigrants along with basically all my relatives. They all came for the same reason that most immigrants do, for a better lifestyle and future for their children.
I don’t think immigration is really a problem, I think the problem is People. There’s good people and bad people, and the media likes to only focus on the bad people when it comes to immigration so it seems like we have all these Osama’s crossing the border when it’s just not true! Look around you; there are good, family-oriented, hard working individuals from every background but you won’t see them in the spotlight.
Another thing is that we as Americans are benefiting greatly because of immigration, especially illegal immigration. If it wasn’t for immigration we as middle class people would not be able to afford fruits, vegetables and many other things. Think back to before the 15th century, when fruits and vegetables, good meat and dairy products were only available to those with more money, things are different thanks to immigration. I can go on with the list of things but I’m sure all of you are aware some way or another in ways that immigrants help this country.
One thing to remember is that immigration begins at the homes of the people who are immigrating here, and for everyone it all comes down to Living Standards. Otherwise, they would not be leaving EVERYTHING and EVERYONE they love and have behind to start all over in a foreign country where, lets face it; they’re unwelcome for the most part. In order to slow (not stop) immigration, especially from Mexico something has to be done in their country.
Many people are being exploited in their country by not only their government but also by multinational companies such as Sony, Home Depot, Chiquita Banana, 7-Eleven, McDonalds, KFC, Pepsi, Shell, Dell etc.
One thing I can think of right off the bat is, that these large companies should give back to the communities that they’re taking away from. For example, one thing they could do is give 5% (or even 1 or 2%) of their local profits to the native people to build a school or two, or to improve some of the living conditions for the people that are helping THEM get richer, of course the government from both countries to be involved. But doing helping out those communities would help lessen the amount of people who want to leave. I think this is the direction that our government is heading towards, where our country will help out their country in return for the goods and services that its citizens give to the US.
Imagine if the US put half the effort that their putting into this “war” into helping out their neighboring country, wouldn’t that help slow down immigration?
Anyways these are just my thoughts and ideas; I could be absolutely wrong or out of line. But the US (or the Octopus as it is called in many other countries) has its hands in many things going on around the world, and if thins are the way they are it’s partly because they have made it that way.October 28, 2005 at 7:32 pm #5498
On Tuesday, October 18, the Senate Judiciary Committee held a second hearing on immigration reform issues. Testifying at the hearing were
Homeland Security Secretary Micheal Chertoff; Labor Secretary Elaine
Chao; Frank Sharry of the National Immigration Forum; Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration Studies; and Professor Douglas Massey of
Princeton University. Bishop Gerald R. Barnes, chairman of the USCCB
Committee on Migration, submitted written testimony which can be found at http://www.usccb/mrs.
The Church’s message remains that immigration reform should include all elements, including legalization, family based immigration reform, and a worker program, and that the process in the Congress should focus on producing a comprehensive reform package.
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